Quote from: wabashcpa on September 10, 2025, 01:19:48 PMlast time Ohio State football lost to an in-state team

I'm not sure if the Ohio State Police count, but I seem to remember Ohio State football losing plenty to them over the years.

Quote from: IC798891 on September 08, 2025, 02:58:48 PMIs this in line with the ages this stuff should be getting introduced?

I'm too old to have played flag football competitively, but I started playing full tackle football age 8, and this is not that far off of the kind of stuff I remember. The information was presented a little less digitally in 1991, but the playbook contained a more dumbed down route tree in it (because we'd throw like 8 passes a game - it was 1991 after all). So my thought is to say...yes-ish.

But it could be more that the rules of flag football necessitates much more passing than running, and so this is really the core everything else builds on. 

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 08, 2025, 08:42:38 AMor is it not unusual for a D3 school to beat an FCS school??

I not only think it's unusual to win, I think it's generally just unusual to even have them play. With that said, I also forgot that Hanover played Butler last year, and will be playing them this year.

Hanover 0 - Butler 53
Wabash 21 - Butler 47 (in 2023)
Depauw 24- Butler 49 (in 2021)

I think the Pioneer remains one of the only non-scholarship conferences in d1 (the Ivy being the other) but for OOC they're mostly scheduling d2 or NAIA teams in the Pioneer, while the Ivy generally schedules other local FCS teams.

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 08, 2025, 08:42:38 AMWell, Adrian won vs. FCS Valpo, so congrats to them!

Good on them! Based on that sample I think we can conclude that the MIAA is superior to the Pioneer Conference. 

In the last 5 or so years both Wabash and Depauw played Butler, and both got boatraced. While I appreciate that all three schools used to have rivalries back in the 1970s, I do NOT like d3 teams scheduling d1, even the non-scholarship pioneer schools. The Pioneer schools made a choice to play at that level and not be really competitive nationally (or the MIAC kicked them out), so schedule at that level.

Other than making sure the players/fans get the full 10 games, I just don't think it adds anything.   

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Quote from: BergAlum2 on September 04, 2025, 10:37:37 PMMarietta's defense still looks great,  Westminiter went nowhere until like their last drive of the first half, I have them as the #2 OAC team this year 

Breaks me to have to pay to watch my OAC games, got the subscription 5 minutes before kickoff

That game was free to watch through Westminster's website

I assume that as the OP was BergAlum he was referring to Heidelberg's game as the one that required a Flo subscription. I enjoyed watching the OAC games in years past in between NCAC games, so I'm going to enjoy these inter-conference games while I can get them for free.

If anyone else is headed up to SNC for tomorrow's game, I'll see you there! I like all of these games in Wisconsin. It makes seeing at least one Lil Giants game a year easy for me. Last year UWP and this year SNC. Let's go Wabash!

Quote from: y_jack_lok on August 21, 2025, 02:30:55 PMor people like me, who know virtually nothing about UW-P football

Well, for a starter they got the name of the school wrong, it's Platteville (with no s),in the title, but other than that, not terrible. The writing is...not great, but nothing a little human editing couldn't fix up.  

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 12, 2025, 02:01:49 PMAnd don't you dare go even one mph over the speed limit if you have Illinois plates.

Yeah, in and around Madison where I live, the FIBs and the folks from Iowa speed demon down the belt line and get pulled over at a much higher clip than anyone with Wisconsin plates. It's unfair, but I feel like that goes both ways when you're in another state. When I was in grad school at Western Kentucky, there was always a KY state police officer on one side of the border, and an Indiana on the other, dying to pull over speeding motorists from out of state.

It's never too early to get excited for some football. As a Wisconsinite and a Wabash graduate I've been blessed to have my Little Giants playing in state the last two years. A buddy and I are planning on heading up to watch SNC vs WC. Anyone got any recommendations or thoughts for a first time visitor to SNC?

Also, fun note - I'm a graduate of UWSP as well, so for at least the first two weeks of this season I'll be rooting against the Green Knights, but after that I wish everyone in the NACC well. I'd love to see Aurora get some competition this year.

Quote from: D3fanboy on August 01, 2025, 03:19:44 PMJCU ran away from Mount and didn't even get voted as the preseason favorite in the NCAC?  lol

There is a reason they play the games. In my experience, the pre-season votes are at best talking points for the fans, and at worst complete garbage that has only some slight bearing on reality.

Having watched all this flo sports drama unfold, a thought occurred to me. On the D3 football scoreboard site on game day, could we get a way to indicate that a game's video is going to go through a paywall - whether it's flo or not? I can't remember how many times I clicked on a Saint John's game day 'V' link just to be reminded I couldn't watch it without paying.

It would certainly make my life as a non-flo subscriber a lot easier, and give other non-subscribers an easy way to decide what d3 games they'll be checking out. 

Thanks in advance for entertaining this request. 

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on June 04, 2025, 11:33:59 AMNot sure exactly what went wrong at Clark, institutionally

I think you could argue that being defined as a tier-1 research university is not the sum total of the worth of an institution. As schools shift focus to undergraduate education, or away from the fairly narrow version of research that the AAU defines for its members, there are a lot of reasons you might shift away from research as an institution. I know Clark's graduate students unionized a few years back, which might have had an impact to some extent, but I think the cat was far out of the bag by that point.

The sizes of the graduate student body could also be a factor as to why they've gone down in Carnegie classification. According to the Carnegie website, Clark has ~1800 grad students, whereas CRWU has ~6000, Illinois ~21000, Houston ~9000, and CMU ~4400. Knowing that not all of those graduate students are going to be in fields that best fit with the AAU or Carnegie's research profile you could definitely see why they left the AAU a quarter century ago. Looking at the Carnegie site, Clark spends just 12M annually on research, whereas Illinois has 821M and CWRU has 553M if you look at those even as a percentage of graduate students that number is still much higher.

They're right in that geographic belt where we've seen a population shift/closures recently, which may also be a factor.

Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on May 28, 2025, 10:39:49 AMSo among my SIX alma maters, only ONE has seen a significant enrollment decline, and that one has been in decline for several years now.  As I said, it appears that "directional" state universities like Central Michigan, Western and Central Washington, etc., are the schools that are and will be most affected by this trend.

Large universities are somewhat insulated from the same troubles that smaller colleges and universities have. The big state colleges and universities get all the tax dollars, and are not having to slash majors or minors to survive. Every time a small college or university cuts a program, they're naturally cutting the pool of potential students, as well. Of your six alma-maters four of them receive tax dollar funding, one has a built in faith pool to insulate it and the other has a nearly 3 billion dollar endowment and 12,000 students.

If it helps, think of "the cliff" as a wealth transfer. As smaller schools go out of business, or cut programs that aren't bringing in the kind of money that are needed to fund themselves, those students go where programs are funded by tax dollars and so aren't going need to have to justify themselves in quite the same way- for example the D1 schools that most folks are aware of. As that happens, the smaller schools relying on those students close and then even more folks go to those D1 schools. It's a vicious cycle. It's not to say it can't happen to any large/expensive/prestigious school (look at Brandeis for example) but the margins aren't the same with them, and without looking at the small/poor/less prestigious schools at the same time you're only getting half the picture at best. A loss of 10% of a small school can close it, a loss of 10% of the University of Illinois brings it to 53,000 students. It's just not apples and oranges in the same way.

People will always continue to go to college, and in the future they're going to go to the biggest and least likely to close schools. But the options become more limited every time a program or college closes. Think of it as grabbing the smallest weakest wildebeest first. Eventually only the biggest and strongest are left, but the herd is much smaller at the end.

Quote from: Dr. Acula on May 21, 2025, 06:28:41 PMI assume Tanney was well liked at Wabash?

Maybe today, but as someone who was at Wabash with both Mitch and Matt Tanney, they were big ol' try-hard wet blankets of zero fun and even less chill. That's to say nothing of their professional careers, or Mitch's success at Monmouth after transferring. But as far as people go, I'd rather hang out with almost anyone than the Tanneys.

With that said, congrats to him, and hopefully 'Bash will find someone great to step-in.

Quote from: IC798891 on February 27, 2025, 01:00:44 PMAnd we need to re-think our processes here. I think, too often, the "College isn't the right path for everyone" gets bandied about when we talk about blue collar jobs, or going into trades, etc. But it doesn't go far enough, IMO. Not every professional career job needs to have a bachelor's degree requirement attached to it

I absolutely agree. There are a ton of jobs that can be done competently without a bachelor's degree, many that probably require one. In many ways academia is kind of a pyramid scheme, that admittedly I love and would buy into again. But as I said in an earlier post, I don't think that every degree has to have a real world job that corresponds to it exactly. When people ask me why I love the liberal arts, I always answer the exact same way. "The world moves pretty fast. And if you're not good at learning, you're not going to make it. The liberal arts isn't about facts, it's about learning how to learn - learning how to be curious, learning how to adapt and adopt."

The exact degree doesn't always matter, but the lessons you learn should. And that's not always something you can measure on a test. I'm sure you can think of people that embody that spirit though, and those are the kinds of employees people are often looking for.