Quote from: northb on July 07, 2010, 05:36:54 AM

Quote from: knightrider123 on July 07, 2010, 02:28:56 AM
And as for Brinks size, lets not exagerate. I have seen this kid. 6'4" 210. Your not fooling anybody. I have seen the size of this kid. Spitting image of Powell maybe an inch taller. You describe him as the excat same size as snikkers! WOW so im guessing you think Snikkers is 6' 8" 300 huh? Nevertheless this conversation is going nowhere we both are intitled to opinion and thats what we have.

kr123, Mellow out, man. be m..e..l..l..o..w......

I agree with Northb....seriously man you have done nothing but advocate Powell since you got here.   I know you to are probably best friends or maybe you actually are Powell, but let's settledown a bit 

I love when these posts become a contest to see who can use the longests words in the dictionary....not all of us are that recondite 

Just out of curiosity...how does the Karma thing work?  Because I gained one....literally did not post again and I have somehow lost one.  No big deal at all just wondering how it works.

I don't disagree Ziggy....i was simply responding to SAC's statement

Quote from: sac on April 03, 2010, 04:50:10 PM

Quote from: realist on April 03, 2010, 03:45:41 PM

Olivet 84 starters 135 minutes.  Calvin 61 starters 108 minutes.

Calvin was pretty much out of that game at halftime,   not a good example.


The other two were close losses.


I've been watching the MIAA closely for 20+ years now, no one has underachieved the last couple years in this league.

I would argue tha Calvin's team of 3 years ago with Griffin, Veldhouse, Mantel and Englesma, along with some good role players probably underachieved at 9-5 in the league.

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on April 01, 2010, 08:55:49 AM

Quote from: ziggy on March 31, 2010, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: sac on March 31, 2010, 04:19:10 PM

Quote from: wolverinekeith on March 31, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
Yeah, any info on Hope?  I always figure they're expecting a D1 transfer or two, plus a couple springy 6'5" kids from schools I've never heard of.   

Usually later in April

It is still early, putting together a group GVW can underachieve with takes time.

What does that say about the last 5 years of Calvin teams?  It must be painful to get repeatedly beaten by a group of underachievers

Just because Calvin gets beat by underachievers does not mean that they themselves are underachieveing(although that argument could be made)....maybe they just dont have as much talent or D-1 transfers to begin with.

Quote from: sac on March 26, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Van Wieren, Davalaar, and Mike Turner were in the house at the Breslin today........and I think I saw Mark White talking to Beilein but I'm not sure.


.....and Fred Jackson, and if you know who that is, give yourself +k

Fred Jackson is the running backs coach at Michigan.....and his son goes to Huron so i'm guessing that's why he was there.

What happened at the end of the game?

I feel like almost ever Hope Calvin game someone somewhat unexpected steps up to give their team  huge boost.  In the past it has been Reimink (had some monster games as a sophmore) Mantel and Veltema (both had a couple of huge freshman games), Tyler Wolfe, and so on and so forth. I would argue that last game it was Bryan Powell coming up huge with some crucial 3's. The question is who will that unexpected x-factor be tomorrow?  Schuster, Snuggerud, Powell, Tanis, Scheiders, Neil?  Who knows, which is why these games are so great, but i get the feeling that whichever team has that player tomorrow will come out on top.

Quote from: oldknight on January 29, 2010, 01:56:38 PM

Quote from: ziggy on January 29, 2010, 08:29:52 AM

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 29, 2010, 06:51:11 AM
CK60 - If you're talking about all-conference considerations, you have to look at conference only stats.  Based on those stats, it's a no brainer that Prepolec is a 1st teamer (19.1 pts, 9.7 reb, 2.6 blks per game).  Mantels numbers (14.1 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blks per game) support sac's tough decision. 

I always love the arguement about "he's on a 7-0 team" versus "he's on a 3-4 team".  Not sure either side of that wins over the other.

I have always been of the mindset that all-conference performers earn their spot based on individual accomplishments but team records should play some role in determining a Most Valuable Player. However, it would be entirely different if the conference named a Most Outstanding Player.

I think McClary would be the clear MOP. MVP may be a different argument, especially with a few more losses. In the end it is a matter of semantics, no real right or wrong opinions.

I have to agree with ziggy on this. If you play on a middle-of-the-pack team, I don't see how you can be considered most valuable in the conference, no matter how good your stats are. In 1972, Steve Carlton was properly awarded the Cy Young as the NL's best pitcher for winning 27 games. He pitched for the Phillie's when his last place team only won 59 that year. Despite this truly amazing performance, he was not given the league's MVP, nor should he have won it. How can you be the league's most valuable player when your team could have finished last without you?

If I was given the task of naming the MIAA's first half MVP, Mantel is the easy choice for me even if other players have better stats. Calvin's offense begins with him, he's Calvin's best rebounder, and he plays consistently good defense. There certainly is plenty of precedent for naming an MVP who did not finish first in the major categories. The Knights would not be 7-0 without him.

Not to mention that when you look at him head to head with two other bigs Joe and McClary, he has gotten the best of both of them. Mantel outrebounded Joe and Joe had 2 more points but it also took him 9 more shots to get there, is that worth it? Then verse McClary, John had 4 assists as well as 16 and 10, and while McClay had 8 more points than Mantel, but again it took him 14 more shots than Mantel took  to do that, is that worth it?  And then of course there is the fact that Mantel led his team to victory over both of them...this is why I agree with Oldknight that Mantel is the clear choice.

Quote from: sac on January 29, 2010, 12:31:44 AM
Halfway through conference play I thought I might take a crack at an all-league team.

First team

Michael McClary-Olivet
Peter Bunn-Hope
Matt Veltema-Calvin
Jovon Mosley-Adrian
Joe Prepolec-Kzoo
Scott Rogers-Trine
John Mantel-Calvin


Second Team

J.C. Cruse-Albion
Nathan Jennings-Olivet
Chris Nelis-Hope
Ryan Clark-Kzoo
Kevin Ginther-Alma
Andre Evans-Olivet

I ended up picking 7 first teamers, because A) I believe Matt Veltema deserves a spot and B) I couldn't decide between Mantel and Rogers.  I put Andre Evans on the 2nd team as the last man because there really wasn't a point guard anywhere in my top 12.  Of the points, he seems to be having the best season.

Picking 12 13 is alot harder than picking the 16 we used to pick.......some players you'd like to see on the list like Wes Weir, Will Bowser, Andre Bridges, Chris Hutton and Tom Snikkers get left off the list.


MVP

At the moment it really seems like its Michael McClary's to lose, I think I'd go with him.  Leading this league in scoring and rebounding should count for something. One of the Calvin guys, Veltema or Mantel should make a strong charge as the year goes on.   Could be an interesting race if Bunn or Mosley have big 2nd halves along with their teams.


Freshmen of the year is a nice race between Tom Snikkers, Calvin and Scott Rogers, Trine.  Last year Trine's Fr, Chris Mislan impressed me but Rogers has pretty much put him on the bench........and we're well versed in the all around stat book stuffing that Snikkers is capable of producing.  A host of good Fr scatter the league this year which is pretty encouraging. 

Newcomer is probably easily Jovon Mosley of Adrian, he's had some big games and its doesn't really sound like anyone can really guard him well.

I know everyone likes to hate on Mantel here, but seriously sac.   Mantel and Joe play the same position and I am wondering how in your mind Joe can possibly be a shoe-in, while Mantel is on the bubble.....epsecially considering Mantel averages more Points, Rebounds, and Assists, while (more importantly) leading his team to a 7-0 start, while Kalamazoo is a mere 3-4?  Please explain because I don't understand.

Quote from: GoBrits on January 24, 2010, 02:23:45 PM
As a bald guy, I generally support people of the bald persuasion. But that ref last night was an embarrassment. It made me want to buy a toupee.

And yes, the bad calls did go both ways. But more of them went against Albion.

Actually I think, other than the horrible technical, Albion was very fortunate to have the officiating go the way it did.  I respect hard tough defense played by moving your feet and putting enough preperation into getting stronger so that you can hold your own.  However, it is hard to respect the defense that Albion sometimes plays where they use there hands WAY to much and don't move their feet near enough.  Good examples of this would be the Albion guards constantly hand checking Calvin players in order to not get beat, or Albion post players simply holding onto Mante's arms in the post. 

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 21, 2010, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: realist on January 21, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
Both these teams can still finish 11-3 or better so any talk about "must win" games is a bit premature. 

But a loss for Hope would have dropped them to 3 losses already. Would they then have been able to run the table?

"Must wins" are usually overstated a bit. Sure, it may have been possible for Hope to lose last night and still win at least a share of the title, but I don't think we would have been holding our breath on that one.

Had the Dutchmen lost to the Brits, they would have simply been "mostly dead". There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.

I greatly appreciate the Princess Bride reference, knightslappy 

Hope-4
Calvin-3
Olivet-2
Albion-1

Quote from: Erm Schmigget on January 12, 2010, 12:13:27 AM

Quote from: CalKnight60 on January 12, 2010, 12:03:17 AM
".......also is Mantel getting more FT opportunities because the game has matured or is it because he's shooting under 60% from the line?" -Sac


I'm trying to figure out how his 60% free throw percentage would help get him to the line more?

Let's see...  I'm an MIAA post player on a team other than Calvin.  He's got the ball near the hoop and I'm within an arm's reach.  I could a) let him go in for the easy layup, or b) challenge him and take the chance of either possibly blocking his shot, or foul him and send him to the line where he has been making less than 60% of his shots.  Hmm...tough decision.   

Well the thing is I have seen every game and I don't think I can remember more than one or two times when he was fouled having a clear path to the basket.  Almost every time he is two strong in the post with his back to the basket and the other team just naturally fouls him in an attempt to block the shot.  I think it's pretty clear to anyone who has seen this season and last season that he is much more assertive down low, and relies less on fading away.  So i'm going to have to say that your scenario doesn't really have an impact.