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Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2025, 04:29:52 PM... no cliff for Case Western Reserve does not mean no cliff, still.

Not to belabor the point, but two of my other alma layers, Illinois and Houston, also recently announced record enrollments, with Illinois over 60,000 and Houston over 49,000.

No demographic cliffs there either.

As many people have explained to you before, the Class of 2025 was the highwater mark for high school graduation numbers.  The drop in high school graduates doesn't appear until the current crop of HS seniors graduate (Class of 2026) and continues until 2041.  So, if a school didn't have a record enrollment year last year, it's not because of a demographic cliff and if it did it has nothing to do with "disproving" a demographic cliff, nor does it necessarily mean their school won't ever experience its effects.   In fact, some schools likely over-enrolled this fall precisely because they were worried about the demographic cliff and a larger class this year would help offset declines over the next four years.  I doubt Case, Illinois, or Houston will be among the schools most at-risk because of either prestige, low cost, or both, though, so your alma maters likely have less to worry about.  Many D3 small liberal arts colleges, however, are at risk, in part because of changing trends that the demographic cliff only exacerbates.

Very well stated. 3 schools having record enrollment does not negate the reality of the upcoming demographic cliff.

I worked at the Naz for a couple of years....met a lot of really good people and some really good kids. Sad to see a place with such a strong history have to close.

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.

I'm in the dark on this— how did it end?

Guessing this is what Pat was referring to.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/2021/03/12/college-ozarks-ending-its-relationship-naia/4678247001/

Interesting. Thanks for the link

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.

I'm in the dark on this— how did it end?

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 08, 2021, 04:30:14 PM

This happened pretty quick. The consultant's proposal showed comps for the NEWMAC, the CCC, and the LEC. LEC is all public schools, the NEWMAC has no real incentive to take a new member (even if this is Hartford's first choice), and the CCC is well placed with 10 members and probably not likely to add a school with 6000 students.  I think GNAC is most likely, but the landscape will almost certainly look different in 2-3 years when they really need a landing spot.

GNAC just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I imagine NEC and Mitchell will wind up there as well. Not sure what my former school is going to do.

Any insight on where Hartford fits Conference wise?

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 23, 2021, 08:22:58 AM

I'm not sure it's possibly to properly communicate, especially to people in the Midwest, just how little New England sports fans care about basketball.

I will never forget my first playoff recruiting experience for your alma mater, Ryan. Having spent 14 years in basketball mad Kentucky, I had developed a blind spot as to how things were in New England. Wanting to make sure I didn't have to stand for the entire game, I arrived at the gym 90 minutes before tip off, which was about 60 minutes before they started selling tickets. Once inside, I was able to stretch out amongst the 'friends and family only' crowd. Spent most of the game snobbishly texting pictures of the sparse crowd to friends and coaches back in Ky with the caption 'can you believe this is a playoff game?' The quality of basketball was as good (or better) but the atmosphere was um, lacking. Didn't sign any of the players and subsequently threw up a 9-15 season the next year, lol. Good times

Right up there on the all-time-greatest basketball player names list, alongside God Shammgod, Chubby Cox, Exree Hipp, Majestic Mapp (and, of course, his brother Scientific Mapp), Vander Blue, Longar Longar, O.J. Mayo, God'sgift Achiuwa, Matt Haryasz, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje, Yinka Dare, Just-in'Love Smith, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, and Chief Kickingstallionsims.

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Great list Greg, but how could you leave Baskerville Holmes off?

FWIW, Asbury and Transylvania were never in the KIAC at the same time. I was representing Asbury at the 1997 meeting where we accepted as KIAC members moments after Georgetown, Cumberland, Union and Campbellsville announced they were leaving the conference. In fact, they gave IU Southeast and us a few minutes to reevaluate our application given the massive upheaval of the day. We chose to join anyway, obviously. I believe Transylvania had left a long, long time prior to my arrival in 1994.
Even at the time, we were exploring possible D3 conference options but couldn't find a realistic home given the travel requirements, so we stuck with the NAIA, though we operated like a D3 for most of my time there. I had the opportunity to attend a game on campus this year for the first time in 12 years and I thought the new AD (whom I have never met) is doing a fantastic job. The outdoor facilities are greatly improved and the game environment is outstanding. I have no idea where they will end up conference wise because the same travel issues that existed in 1997 exist today (going over Jellico mountain in the winter can be a nightmare) but I think they are well positioned to be a solid member of whatever conference accepts them.
Thanks for the opportunity to stroll down memory lane, Greg. I have fond memories of  my days at the 'Bury.

Quote from: OxyBob on September 11, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
One good thing about all instruction being remote at Oxy this Fall is that the students won't be on campus to destroy the 9/11 memorial this year.

Forgive my ignorance, but was that a real thing?

Best thing your alma mater ever did for MBB Ryan, was to introduce a GA program. Greatly improved the situation there.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2020, 11:43:16 AM
Vermont has only proposed closing those campuses so far, so I would say it's premature to list them here, even if only by 48 hours.

The Chancellor has withdrawn the proposal to close the colleges. Still some deep budgetary issues, but for now they remain open.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 20, 2020, 12:01:11 PM

Hearing from one college President recently, I think next summer will be the real mass closing window.  Most schools will be OK coming out of 2019-2020, but if there's a 10% enrollment drop across the board this fall (which is probably a low estimate), a lot of schools won't be able to ride that dip out.  I'm sure we'll see more schools close this year, but it feels like next summer may see even more.

Is that President at a school I would be reasonably familiar with?

I coached at ENC and was a big proponent of the move to the NECC. We simply were not going to be competitive in the CCC. We originally applied to the NECC in 2011 when it looked like the CCC was going to dissolve with the 9 schools breaking off to form a new conference (and Colby Sawyer, Regis and NEC moving to other conferences). At that point, we had nowhere to go, but fortunately for us, those 9 schools decided to bring us back and keep the CCC name. Crazy times.

Well, I don't know about all of the rankings and whatnot,  it is great to see a lot of action on the CCC page. I hope it keeps up thru the postseason.