Yeah not disagreeing at all about the great game. Hard fought game by both teams. Kudos to SUS for that long drive to take the lead. They made a lot of clutch plays on that drive. Bethel also responded and made some great plays on that 40 second game winning drive...oh wait😉

It was a heck of a game.

Quote from: sfury on December 14, 2024, 07:04:09 PMRewatching final two minutes, and based on the angle they showed, the pass interference call against Susquehanna on the final drive was an absolutely god-awful call. Obviously even without it Bethel still has a chance to move it closer on one of their final plays but that was a huge one that went in their favor.

These procedure penalties in big moments last few weeks could be good learning clips for college coaches to use with their offensive linemen (hat tip Redtooth), many of whom might think everything is like the NFL as well when it comes to those situations.

Quote from: sfury on December 14, 2024, 07:04:09 PMRewatching final two minutes, and based on the angle they showed, the pass interference call against Susquehanna on the final drive was an absolutely god-awful call. Obviously even without it Bethel still has a chance to move it closer on one of their final plays but that was a huge one that went in their favor.

These procedure penalties in big moments last few weeks could be good learning clips for college coaches to use with their offensive linemen (hat tip Redtooth), many of whom might think everything is like the NFL as well when it comes to those situations.

It's hard to tell with the choppy camera work, but it sure looked like the DB pulls him down. The defender it was called on doesn't look surprised at all that it was called and didn't complain a bit.

Watching the holding call on video, and the defender had absolutely no shot at making a play on the QB. You don't call that "hold" no matter what the situation is, but especially not after letting more egregious holds go uncalled the entire game.

Quote from: faunch on November 16, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
After watching EP/Wayzata tonight I'm not convinced Mike Grant is the guy to turn things around in Collegeville.

Not thrilled about passing passing 8 out of 59 plays?

I doubt he would be calling the plays in collegeville if he got the job. I personally don't think he'd be a great fit because I don't know how good of a recruiter he would be. SJU will need a dynamic recruiter to get back to where they want to be........uhhh....Ramler(or someone similar).

Quote from: DC Tom Cat on October 21, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
Sloppy win for the Tommies, but they had 11 starters out of the game so that's to be expected.  Hopefully they'll clean that up before Augsburg next week.  With that many starters out it can really disrupt your rhythm.  However, one thing I'm excited about is their youth.  They had more than 15 freshmen or sophomores either start or play significant minutes.  Although they made mistakes, it's still a great learning experience for them.  The next few years should be fun to watch.

Were all 11 out due to injury? That's a ton of starters out.  If that's the case, I would guess that some of them could have played had it been a big game for the tommies. This would have been the weak to rest some guys that had minor injuries with some big games remaining in the tommies schedule.

Anyone find it odd that Augsburg is only receiving 1 vote in the D3 pole(ranked 42nd)? They're receiving more votes in the AFCA(ranked 32nd). The Cobbers are ranked 21st in the AFCA, and recieving votes with D3(rankted 28th).

I realize it didn't help either of them that BU lost in a big way; but you'd think the Auggies would be getting a little more love.

I'm just happy that BU played Augsburg early. They seem to be getting much better every week.

The winner of this weeks game should get a good jump in the polls.

Quote from: Chubbs on October 09, 2012, 12:36:57 PM

Quote from: sjusection105 on October 09, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
I spoke to one of the officials (a Johnnie) who was situated on the opposite side of the field. If the kid (CC D-lineman) would have jumped on the ball or left it alone- the play would have been over. By picking the ball up & running he kept the play alive and allowed the penalty,too many men on the field,to be called. The officiating crew discussed at length before making their final ruling.

I feel bad for the kid,but that's why everyone has to have their head in the game, if the bench players would have stayed on the sideline the TD would have counted & Cobbers win 20-7 (or ) 21-7 depending on making the PAT.

I'm not sure that explanation makes sense.  Had the bench maintained discipline until after the change of posession at recovery, then the game would have ended.  The players and coach left the bench before the D-lineman even had a chance to fall on the ball, so the defensive infraction had already been commited regardless of what action he took.  Also, no way that play gets blown dead if he had simply left the ball alone.  If he doesn't get it, somebody else would have.  There was nothing he could have done to alleviate the situation already in progress on his bench.  His having to weave through his teammates on the way to the endzone only served to make more obvious what had already happened.  I agree that if the player had just fallen on the ball it would have been much less likely that the officials would have called the penalty, but that's just conjecture. 

The kid to feel bad for is #27.  What an infamous picture to take away from your senior season that would be.

The lesson learned is that just one breakdown of discipline can be enough to undermine a tremendous 60 minute effort.  As someone else pointed out, that penalty was their only one of the day.

Also, lost in all of that is the tremendous plays made by Bethel receivers on the last drive, particularly the one by Hallstrom.  I've only seen one catch more impressive than that one on that field, and it was by some guy wearing #86 for SJU...think his last name was Elliot?  Yeah, something like that.

Here is a shot of Hallstrom's catch http://bethelathletics.smugmug.com/Bethel-Football/2012/Bethel-vs-ConcordiaCS/25810798_ts37Kj#!i=2136302672&k=bFg79Mp&lb=1&s=A

After calming the nerves of the BU/Auggie game, I think BU will be just fine. Looking back at most teams at any level that win a conference title or make the playoffs; and there seems to be at least 1 or 2 close ones that could have gone the other way.

2003 SJU - was tied with Eau Claire 10-10 mid-way through the 3rd. Beat UST by 1. Beat Bethel by 3. NATIONAL CHAMPS
2007 BU - beat moorhead in tripple OT. beat UST by 1. beat auggie by 7 in a shootout. beat SJU by 3. FINAL 4
I'm sure you could throw in a handful of games from UST over the past 3 years as well. I just didn't take the time to look it up.

I'm in no way comparing this BU squad to either or those teams....just using them as an example. Bottom line, if you want to be playing in late November/December; then you need to find a way to win. As ugly as it was, BU did that on Saturday.

Every team has things they need to iron out after the 4th game of the season. BU will need to figure them out quickly with the Cobbers and Tommies coming up.

Quote from: miacmaniac on September 27, 2012, 10:29:25 AM
When SJU has had its best teams, there was a mix of extraordinary guys in with the ordinary guys, with all of them doing the ordinary things (ie, executing) extraordinarily well. Now they seem to be lacking some of the extraordinary guys and definitely dont execute as flawlessly as in the past.

Right on. I should have read your post before posting.

Quote from: DuffMan on September 27, 2012, 10:13:19 AM

Quote from: RoyalBU on September 27, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
I'll take it a step futher and suggest that SJU's recent struggles have a large part to do with not having any extraordinary guys on the D-Line. When SJU is really good, they have a lights out D-line(note: most of the names listed above were d-lineman). It seemed like they always had 1 or 2 all-americans on the d-line, with some freshman or sophmore that ended up being a 1st team all-american a year or two later. While most of them weren't your typical d-lineman, they were all extemely athletic and quick...which created huge matchup problems for DIII O-lineman.

Having played with many of the d-linemen you mentioned (I graduated a year ahead of Hood and Wienandt and played between the two my junior and senior year), I agree that they were great d-linemen, but I think what helped make them great was coaching.  Both of those guys came into SJU as linebackers.  The staff quickly realized that they could make great d-linemen.  And while they did some fantastic things at SJU, I have my doubts if they would have been stars at other schools, simply because I can't imagine too many coaches recognizing and exploiting their talents like the coaches at SJU did.

I totally agree, but that's part of what a coaches job is. You have to put guys in the right spot that fit your system. It always amazed me how Bethel & SJU(until the past few years) always have undersized d-lines, but are nearly impossible to run against. Most of BU's d-lineman are linebackers converted to the d-line as well. Zach Danielson, 2006 Stam award winner, was a highly touted FB/LB recruit from Florida. He ended up being a great defensive end in BU's 3 man front. He actually would have been phenominal in SJU's defensive scheme as well. You could say the same for BU's past 2 QB's. They maybe would have had success at Moorhead(especially Wetzell), but would have likely struggled in another "system" at other MIAC schools. While it's a great job of BU's coaches to adjust the system to make them successful, they were still extraordinary players.

You can look at SJU, BU, and UST's best teams of the past 10-12 years; and it's made up of mostly ordinary players with 3 or 4 extraordinary guys on both sides of the ball. While middle of the pack teams are mostly ordinary without as many playmakers or extraordinary players.

I would have to agree that when SJU has been good, they've had more than just a couple "extraordinary" guys on the team.

I wouldn't call playmakers ordinary. Playmakers make all the difference in big games....doesn't that make them "extraordinary"? Elliot, Hood, Dumonceaux, Good, Weinandt, Gearman, McCambridge, Steffensmeier, McNamara, Keating, Linnemann, & Clintsman just to name a few of the playmakers that SJU has had over the past 10 years. I'd say these extraordinary guys made a pretty big difference for SJU.

While some of these guys may be ordinary guys in the locker room or in life, they certainly weren't ordinary on the field. It reminds me of the first time I saw Phil Porta as a freshman at Bethel. He was supposed to be the "best recruit bethel has ever had", so I was expecting this freakishly looking dude. He could have been mistaken for a 4th string defensive back or the film tech guy. It was classic Phil Porta to walk into the weight room with a 20 oz Pepsi, do a couple of lifts, and leave 15 minutes later without saying anything more than "hi" to a few teamates. He was totally an ordinary guy, but had ridiculous skills at running the football.

I'll take it a step futher and suggest that SJU's recent struggles have a large part to do with not having any extraordinary guys on the D-Line. When SJU is really good, they have a lights out D-line(note: most of the names listed above were d-lineman). It seemed like they always had 1 or 2 all-americans on the d-line, with some freshman or sophmore that ended up being a 1st team all-american a year or two later. While most of them weren't your typical d-lineman, they were all extemely athletic and quick...which created huge matchup problems for DIII O-lineman.

I'm much more of a reader on here, but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on the matter.

Quote from: wartknight on September 08, 2012, 11:47:43 PM

Quote from: Klompen on September 08, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
So the WIAC and MIAC are not being kind to the IIAC teams this year.  Not sure I'm surprised, I think with UD recruiting a little more locally and the IIAC teams spreading the talent around more, it's harder to find that team that really can compete and win with these tough conferences.  But I give credit for scheduling challenging teams, you always learn more, sadly even in a loss.  I'm sure that Central and WB both learned more in the beatings they took than WB learned last week.  It doesn't feel as good though.    

So it looks like Coe is the only team left in the IIAC with a shot at an early ranking. 

AZD, saw jr. out there today, granted he was sprawled out on the field at the time, but he was out there.     The woman sitting next to me said, "My, that 71 is a big player isn't he.  Must be why he is pushing the defense aside close to the goal line.   

I would hardly call the game today a beating. I saw two evenly matched teams-breaks and short field went the wrong way

While I wouldn't call it a beating, I also wouldn't call it two evenly matched teams that boiled down to a couple of "breaks"....and I don't mean that with any dis-respect. I think Wartburg has a solid squad. It seemed like 2 teams with strong defenses, with Bethel making the plays when it counted on both sides of the ball. There was a huge difference on 3rd & 4th down conversions. Bethel was 6 for 15 on 3rd, while Wartburg was 2 for 13 on 3rd...and 0 for 2 on 4th.  Neither team could run the ball. The difference on offense was Bethel's passing game and not having any turnovers.

I was concerned with turnovers for Bethel coming into the game with a new QB and it being their first game of the year. While the QB wasn't spectacular, he got the job done and didn't have any huge mistakes. I'll take that for his first start on the road against a good defense.