It's NCAA Power Index, not NESCAC Protection Index.  If you're going to get a whole bunch of teams as a result of NPI then you probably shouldn't be complaining when you have to play each other early on. 

Do folks realize this is why people don't like the NESCAC?  It's hard to view these games in a truly neutral, for the love of the game type of lens.  I get that message boards aren't necessarily reflective of real life, but some of you folks make it really hard by creating this self perpetuating cycle of elitist snobbery.

Well there are some bid thieves like the SUNYAC.  I could have thought there were more than I originally believed, but there have been actual bid thieves.

Vassar's out.  Above the cut line as is, but too many bid thieves regardless.  I think if they didn't drop the game against Clarkson they might have made it. 

As far as Brown, everything has already been said, ad nauseam. 

Quote from: kansas hokie on November 08, 2025, 07:55:05 PMI calculate Denison NPI as 56.545 after their loss and VA Wesleyan is sitting at 56.462 with the ODAC title game certainly going to affect that.

Oneonta beat Buffalo St. but Buffalo St. was already below the bubble. So SUNYAC is a one-bid league.

Rowan v. TCNJ just started and is the last game that could burst a bubble.

Here's the bubble right now as best as I can tell...

1) VA Wesleyan
2) Denison
3) Amherst
4) Washington & Lee (if they lose to Lynchburg, down 2-1 now)

Tomorrow's NPI may shift this order, it's very tight between these teams.

Only 4 more conferences can steal bids...

tonight - Rowan (v. TCNJ)

Sunday

C2C - Christopher Newport (v. Salisbury, Noon)
Centennial - Dickinson (v. Johns Hopkins TBD) (PK shootout win for Johns Hopkins steals a bid)
Liberty - Hobart (v. Vassar, 1:30 pm)

Pretty sure the SUNYAC is a two bid league with Cortland

Oswego almost came all the way back down 20 against Union, but Union's shooting percentage early on was enough to hold. Shot 60% for the majority of the game.  Hard to believe that lasts but they won't complain getting a win at Oswego.  Dufort/Plesser/Tedesco is a very strong trio that will keep Union's floor and ceiling high this season. I'm not sure if they have injuries but Union hasn't played with a true center in their first 2 games. They are stretching the floor out pretty well so it could be by design. 

Bit of an odd opener for SLU.  No J'Lin Brown for this one who was in sweats for the game.  SLU still plays most of their freshmen class to a positive result.  26-8 run to start for SLU but Geneseo settled in after that.  10-15 point game for most of it until it turned onto a foul fest the last 10 minutes. 41 combined fouls, with Geneseo getting 32 attempts at the line. You can go back and find a comment from me this spring about my excitement regarding Aidan Phelan from West Genesee committing. 16 points off the bench in his first collegiate game. This year's SLU team is way more athletic than previous years, but with so many first years time will tell how things shape up.

Was relieved to see Troy McPherson in sweats as well, for some reason he's not listed on the roster but is most definitely on the team so maybe a first semester injury situation. 

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Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2025, 09:24:09 PMGoing through all the SUNYAC rosters and see that Irwayne Connell is back at Plattsburgh for this season.  This will be his 9th season of college basketball.  Wild.  I think they're all medical redshirts as well as possibly getting a year due to that wonky JUCO ruling.  He played about a third of the season last year and had what I assume was a season ending injury.

According to everything I could find, he played at Thomas Aquinas in 2017-18 and then a JUCO in 2018-19, but wasn't in school at all again until last year.  This looks to be his 4th year of college ball.  He played 9 games last year, which is usually one too many to qualify for a medical exemption, but the JUCO ruling may apply to him if its extended beyond this year.

Yes but as you know once you start playing your clock starts as well so being out of school still counts towards your eligibility.  From what I remember reading last year he had a ton of medical redshirts.  I'm not saying it's even a bad thing, just that even d3 isn't impervious to the eligibility madness now.

That's not true.  You clock only runs if you're enrolled in school.

Where in the manual does it state that?

I'm not really sure, but if you're not enrolled in school, you don't use eligibility.  If you're taking classes and not playing, you use it, but otherwise, the clock pauses.

Edited:  I looked it up.  It's Section 14.2 in the D3 Manual.  You get four total season over 10 semesters of full-time enrollment.

I have never heard of the seasons when you're dis-enrolled after previous seasons of competition not counting towards the eligibility clock.  Unless that is a specific d3 carve out and the clock rule is only d1 specific. 

I'm trying to think of the most recent example, but it definitely happens.  You see it fairly often in the NJAC, where a guy will play one year out of high school and then grades or life get in the way and they take a couple years off before coming back.  COVID messed up a lot of recent examples, because there was all this extra eligibility available.

I believe, by rule, technically, you could drop to a part time student, keep attending, and not use a year of eligibility.  Not sure why someone would do that at the d3 level, but it's a pretty liberal eligibility rule, for sure.

I had no idea, I just assumed that was a blanket NCAA thing.  Very interesting, thanks for all the info.

Quote from: stlawus on October 23, 2025, 11:28:28 PMI'm in between jobs and don't start the new one for a couple weeks so I have nothing but time right now.  So I figured I'd take a shot at projecting the starting lineups for all 10 teams.  Some are extremely hard given the rate of turnover so I will be delving into the realm of guesswork on a few teams.

I'll start with the most obvious.

Union:
         
          Tanner Tedesco-   6'1" G, Jr.
        Matthew Garside-  6'3" G, Jr.
              Jack Plesser-     6'5" F, Jr.
           Christian Dufort- 6'5" F, Jr.
           Brendan Reid-     6'7" F, Jr.

Vassar:

            Shea Fitzgerald- 6'1" G, Jr.
               Avery Lee-       6'1" G, Jr.
    Kreekor Karageuzian- 6'2" G, Jr.
        Sebastian Medina- 6'4" F, Jr.
        Nathan Denham-   6'5" F, Sr.

RPI:   

         Yechiel Stewart-  6'2" G, Jr.
       Dylan Matchett-   6'3" G, Sr.
              PJ Scalisi-       6'3" F, Jr.
           Pat White-        6'6" F, Jr.
      Andrew Deppe-     6'6" F, Jr.

Skidmore: 

              Aidan Roy-    6'3" G, Jr.
         Charlie Fantom- 6'5" G, Jr.
       Hakeem Daphnis- 6'3" G, Jr.
          Jack LaGarde-   6'8" F, Jr.
            Joey Skoric-    6'10" F, Sr.

Hobart:

              Elvis Lloyd-    6'1" G, Fy.
         Monty Nedd-     6'2" G, So.
          Alex Moesch-    6'3" G, Jr.
            Allen Mordi-    6'6" F, So.
             Dorian Paki-    6'7" F, Jr.

SLU:     

         Dan Anderson-   5'11" G, Sr.
        Troy McPherson- 6'0" G, Jr.
             J'Lin Brown-    6'5" G, FY
          Chris Downs Jr- 6'5" F, Sr.
        Adam Dudzinski- 6'8" F, Sr.

Clarkson:

         Lorenzo Rappa- 6'0" G, So.
          Steve DeRegis- 6'0" G, Jr.
          Braeden Burns- 6'4" G, Jr.
          Bobby Piddock- 6'5" F, FY.
               Ben Phillips-  6'7" F, Jr.

Ithaca:   

         Jaylon O'Neal- 6'1" G, Jr.
          Evan Cabral-   6'2" G, Jr.
    Matthew Zenker-  6'5" G, Jr. (transfer)
          Chris Leysath-  6'5" F, Sr.
        David Luberoff- 6'9" F, Jr.

RIT:     

          Jason Gibbs-    5'10" G, FY
         Brody Brown-    6'4" G, Jr.
             Zac Ditzel-     6'4" G, Jr.
          Nolan Smith-    6'6" F, Jr.
           Josiah Turner,  6'6" F, Gr.

Bard:(hardest)

                     Max Frei- 6'0" G, So.
                 Luke Ravitz- 6'2" G, So.
                Lucas Torvar- 6'3" G, So.
Konstantinos Korfiatis-  6'3" G, FY
         Jalen Umstead-    6'5" F, So.

I'm already whiffing a bit. Clarkson I was not sure with an injury to Aydin Kocak last year so I left him out but he's back healthy and will start at forward.  I got one of the freshmen starters wrong, as newcomer Nate Abernethy is starting and not Bobby Piddock. 

SLU does not have McPherson on the roster.  He had a back injury for a good portion of last season so that might be a factor for him not being rostered.

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Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2025, 09:24:09 PMGoing through all the SUNYAC rosters and see that Irwayne Connell is back at Plattsburgh for this season.  This will be his 9th season of college basketball.  Wild.  I think they're all medical redshirts as well as possibly getting a year due to that wonky JUCO ruling.  He played about a third of the season last year and had what I assume was a season ending injury.

According to everything I could find, he played at Thomas Aquinas in 2017-18 and then a JUCO in 2018-19, but wasn't in school at all again until last year.  This looks to be his 4th year of college ball.  He played 9 games last year, which is usually one too many to qualify for a medical exemption, but the JUCO ruling may apply to him if its extended beyond this year.

Yes but as you know once you start playing your clock starts as well so being out of school still counts towards your eligibility.  From what I remember reading last year he had a ton of medical redshirts.  I'm not saying it's even a bad thing, just that even d3 isn't impervious to the eligibility madness now.

That's not true.  You clock only runs if you're enrolled in school.

Where in the manual does it state that?

I'm not really sure, but if you're not enrolled in school, you don't use eligibility.  If you're taking classes and not playing, you use it, but otherwise, the clock pauses.

Edited:  I looked it up.  It's Section 14.2 in the D3 Manual.  You get four total season over 10 semesters of full-time enrollment.

I have never heard of the seasons when you're dis-enrolled after previous seasons of competition not counting towards the eligibility clock.  Unless that is a specific d3 carve out and the clock rule is only d1 specific. 

With today's result, SLU achieves their first 10 loss season since 1991.  In the 63 year history of the program, there had been only 4 double digit loss seasons until this year. But I'm sure I'll watch the next SC vid and hear all about how dramatic I'm being.

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Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2025, 09:24:09 PMGoing through all the SUNYAC rosters and see that Irwayne Connell is back at Plattsburgh for this season.  This will be his 9th season of college basketball.  Wild.  I think they're all medical redshirts as well as possibly getting a year due to that wonky JUCO ruling.  He played about a third of the season last year and had what I assume was a season ending injury.

According to everything I could find, he played at Thomas Aquinas in 2017-18 and then a JUCO in 2018-19, but wasn't in school at all again until last year.  This looks to be his 4th year of college ball.  He played 9 games last year, which is usually one too many to qualify for a medical exemption, but the JUCO ruling may apply to him if its extended beyond this year.

Yes but as you know once you start playing your clock starts as well so being out of school still counts towards your eligibility.  From what I remember reading last year he had a ton of medical redshirts.  I'm not saying it's even a bad thing, just that even d3 isn't impervious to the eligibility madness now.

That's not true.  You clock only runs if you're enrolled in school.

Where in the manual does it state that?

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Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2025, 09:24:09 PMGoing through all the SUNYAC rosters and see that Irwayne Connell is back at Plattsburgh for this season.  This will be his 9th season of college basketball.  Wild.  I think they're all medical redshirts as well as possibly getting a year due to that wonky JUCO ruling.  He played about a third of the season last year and had what I assume was a season ending injury.

According to everything I could find, he played at Thomas Aquinas in 2017-18 and then a JUCO in 2018-19, but wasn't in school at all again until last year.  This looks to be his 4th year of college ball.  He played 9 games last year, which is usually one too many to qualify for a medical exemption, but the JUCO ruling may apply to him if its extended beyond this year.

Yes but as you know once you start playing your clock starts as well so being out of school still counts towards your eligibility.  From what I remember reading last year he had a ton of medical redshirts.  I'm not saying it's even a bad thing, just that even d3 isn't impervious to the eligibility madness now.

Going through all the SUNYAC rosters and see that Irwayne Connell is back at Plattsburgh for this season.  This will be his 9th season of college basketball.  Wild.  I think they're all medical redshirts as well as possibly getting a year due to that wonky JUCO ruling.  He played about a third of the season last year and had what I assume was a season ending injury.

Pretty big upset with Fredonia taking down Plattsburgh in the SUNYAC playoffs. Fredonia did win the regular season matchup but that was at Fredonia.  Plattsburgh has lost in the first round 2 years in a row now, gotta sting given the regular season success in this time.

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Quote from: stlawus on September 27, 2025, 04:51:06 PMI might have to start saying it, SLU is looking like it needs a complete reset.  Toshack had a decent 10 year run all things considered, but with part of that being off the back of Durocher's final recruiting class and the program's current trajectory it's getting late early as they say.  A few select players have kept things from spilling over like Sibanda and Mogul who really should be given more flowers in retrospect.  But this is just not going to cut it. Another game where players clearly want to go forward and be creative but have obviously had all of these habits coached out of them to think that their first option should be to go backwards. I know the players like playing for him, but SLU soccer is bigger than any one person.

Agreed,
Backwards again today. I saw one midfielder play the ball backwards 95 percent of the time today. I don't know that he even thought about going forward. I don't see the wingers doing any one on one move, at least not with much success. I think we were spoiled the last few years watching Mogul terrorize right and left backs. Stlawus, you mentioned that Mogul should have been given more flowers. Opposing coaches all made a game plan to stop him, double and triple teaming him. Tosh, and therefore the SLU team, did not make a plan to play through Mogul.
SLU can possess the ball, it's in the final third where it stops. It's creativity. A good game plan. It's set pieces. Risk taking. I still see free kicks in the final third played back to midfield. A rematch in the playoffs vs Vassar will be a tough matchup, especially without Diaz.

If Mogul was around 10 years earlier that might have been enough to get SLU back on top in 2011 (injuries to all the players that year notwithstanding), that's the caliber of player he was. Imagine his link up with DeMello.  In retrospect that was a recruiting coup getting Mogul to Canton, I'm sure he had all the usual blue bloods after him.