Quote from: Falconer on November 20, 2017, 05:53:05 PM

Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on November 20, 2017, 04:42:20 PM

Quote from: Falconer on November 20, 2017, 11:26:14 AM
The highlights of both Falcon sectional games are now available on their home page. The best goal on Saturday--the brilliant shot off a fake free kick by Andrew Masur of Stevens--is unfortunately not included in the clip. That was unquestionably the highlight of the game for either team, and it should be on the video record: shame on the Falcons for not putting it into this highlight. I hope it shows up somewhere at some point.

I know we're in the midst of a mile-time discussion here (which I have no right to participate in, seeing as I'm likely slower than any DIII player in history), but I didn't want to let this go unmentioned. The people responsible for creating highlight packages (if we're talking about the same clips) wear so many different hats at the Division III level that they have way better things to do than include opponent plays in their own highlights. I think it was discussed elsewhere on this board, but it looks like Messiah had 8 teams in action Saturday, including a four-team basketball tournament at home. That means tons of work for a small staff of 3 or 4 people. And that's not to even mention that these highlight packages are mostly designed to promote and highlight Messiah; them including Stevens' or any other opponent's good plays does little to further that.
The folks at Stevens almost certainly have access to the very same game film - if they want a highlight out there of a spectacular goal, there's no reason they can't post a highlight themselves.

FYI Falconer, I'm not trying to just be contrarian or picky here. Would it be great to have a replay of that goal? Absolutely! I just think "they should be ashamed of themselves" is a little harsh. 

Your rebuke is justified, Mr Holmes, your argument well made. I withdraw that part of my post with apologies to the folks who prepare the clips. Thanks for defending them. +K.

(I recall seeing some opponent goals in those clips from time to time, few as impressive as that goal by Stevens, but I'm sure you're right about having to keep it short and sweet under the circumstances.)

If I could give karma I'd give it right back. I know you meant no disrespect to those guys! In fact, I missed the goal myself, so I'd certainly love to see it pop up somewhere. It sounds like it was quite a strike!

I agree with you, I think I've seen some places do opponent goals in highlight packages too. I can't remember if I've seen Messiah do it. Definitely a few other schools. I'd guess it varies place by place and depending how busy the particular day was.

Quote from: Falconer on November 20, 2017, 11:26:14 AM
The highlights of both Falcon sectional games are now available on their home page. The best goal on Saturday--the brilliant shot off a fake free kick by Andrew Masur of Stevens--is unfortunately not included in the clip. That was unquestionably the highlight of the game for either team, and it should be on the video record: shame on the Falcons for not putting it into this highlight. I hope it shows up somewhere at some point.

I know we're in the midst of a mile-time discussion here (which I have no right to participate in, seeing as I'm likely slower than any DIII player in history), but I didn't want to let this go unmentioned. The people responsible for creating highlight packages (if we're talking about the same clips) wear so many different hats at the Division III level that they have way better things to do than include opponent plays in their own highlights. I think it was discussed elsewhere on this board, but it looks like Messiah had 8 teams in action Saturday, including a four-team basketball tournament at home. That means tons of work for a small staff of 3 or 4 people. And that's not to even mention that these highlight packages are mostly designed to promote and highlight Messiah; them including Stevens' or any other opponent's good plays does little to further that.
The folks at Stevens almost certainly have access to the very same game film - if they want a highlight out there of a spectacular goal, there's no reason they can't post a highlight themselves.

FYI Falconer, I'm not trying to just be contrarian or picky here. Would it be great to have a replay of that goal? Absolutely! I just think "they should be ashamed of themselves" is a little harsh. 

Quote from: Falconer on September 08, 2017, 11:18:24 AM

Quote from: Sherlock Holmes on September 06, 2017, 11:07:24 PM

Quote from: Falconer on September 06, 2017, 07:55:39 PM

Quote from: FelixCloudy on September 06, 2017, 07:14:58 PM
Fords beat Falcons 2-1.  Game moved to Rosemont due to weather.

Did anyone see this one? There was no streaming. From the box score, the Falcons had the better of it, but obviously just one number matters in the end. The sophomore who scored both Haverford goals was rookie of the year in his conference last year. I think he has four goals in two games already. Apparently a very dangerous guy who must be hard to mark.

I was able to make it to this one. Messiah did seem to be on the front foot most of the game. Haverford definitely put together some dangerous chances, but the Falcons had more possession and opportunities. Both of Haverford's goals came from #7, Jannelli, and unfortunately for Messiah, they both involved defenders slipping/getting tripped. The first half goal was a great turn with the ball at the top of the box that caused his defender to slip and opened up a wide lane for a beautiful left-footed strike inside the far-post. His second looked virtually the same, but the space was a result of his marker getting tripped by a Fords player cutting through the play. Other than those two opportunities, the Fords only had one or two other good looks offensively. They actually seemed to do their best work defensively and in the midfield - it seemed they were stepping in front of passes constantly, and they recovered quickly on defense most of the way. Messiah finally started carving them up pretty good in the last 20-25 minutes, but outside of West's goal to pull them back within one, they just couldn't get that final touch to draw level. Several times the ball was bouncing around loose at the penalty spot and a Fords defender just managed to clear it away before a Falcon could get there.

All in all, it was frankly a pretty high-quality and well-played game from both sides, especially considering both come from grass fields (this was played on concrete-colored turf) and that it poured down rain at times. A win Haverford should be proud of, and nothing for the Falcons to hang their heads over - they both looked like top 15-quality talent. Speaking of which, just to add to the "Haverford-shell-of-themselves" discussion, I'd have to disagree with that as well. They are obviously going to miss their key losses - players like Corkery don't come around very often. But they have plenty of big bodies who also have great touch and skill with the ball. They might not be a team that possesses you to death or runs you into the ground, but they can string passes together in the buildup and get a goal in a blink. Both goals today came seemingly out of nowhere. They look dangerous enough to me, anyway.

Thank you for the eyewitness account, Sherlock. Wet artificial fields always cause problems for the Falcons, but usually more on the offensive end (by disrupting their one-touch passing attack) than the defensive end. From your description, it sounds as though there might have been a different result on a dry grass field. But, no doubt Jennelli is a load and he might well have scored at least one goal if his defenders didn't fall down.

Sure thing Falconer. Happy to share my take. I'll reserve judgement on what would've happened had it been played under perfect conditions. Obviously Messiah would've benefited from a dry night on a natural grass field, but then, so would the Fords, as they play on a pretty nice grass field themselves. I would love to see a repeat of this one for sure though - maybe these two sides will meet up again late in the tournament.

Quote from: Falconer on September 06, 2017, 07:55:39 PM

Quote from: FelixCloudy on September 06, 2017, 07:14:58 PM
Fords beat Falcons 2-1.  Game moved to Rosemont due to weather.

Did anyone see this one? There was no streaming. From the box score, the Falcons had the better of it, but obviously just one number matters in the end. The sophomore who scored both Haverford goals was rookie of the year in his conference last year. I think he has four goals in two games already. Apparently a very dangerous guy who must be hard to mark.

I was able to make it to this one. Messiah did seem to be on the front foot most of the game. Haverford definitely put together some dangerous chances, but the Falcons had more possession and opportunities. Both of Haverford's goals came from #7, Jannelli, and unfortunately for Messiah, they both involved defenders slipping/getting tripped. The first half goal was a great turn with the ball at the top of the box that caused his defender to slip and opened up a wide lane for a beautiful left-footed strike inside the far-post. His second looked virtually the same, but the space was a result of his marker getting tripped by a Fords player cutting through the play. Other than those two opportunities, the Fords only had one or two other good looks offensively. They actually seemed to do their best work defensively and in the midfield - it seemed they were stepping in front of passes constantly, and they recovered quickly on defense most of the way. Messiah finally started carving them up pretty good in the last 20-25 minutes, but outside of West's goal to pull them back within one, they just couldn't get that final touch to draw level. Several times the ball was bouncing around loose at the penalty spot and a Fords defender just managed to clear it away before a Falcon could get there.

All in all, it was frankly a pretty high-quality and well-played game from both sides, especially considering both come from grass fields (this was played on concrete-colored turf) and that it poured down rain at times. A win Haverford should be proud of, and nothing for the Falcons to hang their heads over - they both looked like top 15-quality talent. Speaking of which, just to add to the "Haverford-shell-of-themselves" discussion, I'd have to disagree with that as well. They are obviously going to miss their key losses - players like Corkery don't come around very often. But they have plenty of big bodies who also have great touch and skill with the ball. They might not be a team that possesses you to death or runs you into the ground, but they can string passes together in the buildup and get a goal in a blink. Both goals today came seemingly out of nowhere. They look dangerous enough to me, anyway.

Messiah announced it on their Twitter feed late last night, if you're looking for further confirmation...

https://twitter.com/MessiahSports/status/798011423787917312

Quote from: Flying Weasel on December 01, 2015, 08:16:06 AM

Quote from: D3soccerwatcher on November 30, 2015, 11:33:58 PMAlso Amherst doesn't even seem to be sure who they are playing as they have listed Oneonta State as their opponent for this weekend.  Either that's a gross oversight, or could it be the private school taunting the "lowly state college" (as SUNY Oneonta doesn't seem to refer to themselves as that anywhere) -- either way some additional motivation for SUNY Oneonta (OK maybe trying to stir up some controversy where none exists).

Someone might want to let their basketball team know they aren't Oneonta State.

from http://www.oneontaathletics.com/index.aspx?path=mbball


Someone might want to let their bookstore know they aren't Oneonta State.

from http://reddragonoutfitters.oneonta.edu/SiteText.aspx?id=28431


I think this must be a recent shift for the athletics program to phase out the references to "Oneonta State" in preference of "SUNY Oneonta".  Looking at the logos and branding on their athletics website now, you are correct that it's either "SUNY Oneonta" or simply "Oneonta" or "O", but go to this Google search and you'll see recently used logos/wordmarks/branding that used "Oneonta State".  I hadn't noticed the shift, so I can't say when it started, but it certainly isn't long ago that their own athletics website was still using "Oneonta State" in its visual identity.

Just a little "inside baseball" talk here...the way it's listed on their men's soccer schedule has nothing to do with Amherst and everything to do with PrestoSports, their content management system. When you go to schedule a game in Presto, it has all possible opponents listed in their system, and you have to select what they have it labeled as. In this case, it appears Presto themselves haven't made the switch from Oneonta State to SUNY Oneonta. If you look elsewhere on Amherst's men's soccer page, like in the preview they posted for example, they use the SUNY Oneonta terminology.

Quote from: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 03:37:46 PM

Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 07, 2015, 02:56:14 PM
Projected byes: Calvin Kenyon and MSU or Brandeis.

There are only 3 Bye's I believe.

That's why he only picked three teams 

I'm sure the field will be as bad today as well. I'm sure we'll see lots of slipping and sliding. After watching both games live yesterday, I don't see Tufts hanging with Messiah the entire game. I think their defender #25 is dangerous on any free kicks or corner kicks, and that's their best shot. #12 was the most dangerous offensive player, but he didn't seem well supported by the rest of the team for much of the game. I'm leaning more towards 3-0 or 3-1. Something like that.

Although when I read about the Kenyon sectional having to get postponed, I do feel bad for complaining, but still. It's in terrible shape. One bad bounce could cost one of these teams everything, and that would be a shame.

Was there. Field was atrocious. Any cuts whatsoever were met with immediate slips. Not only that, but ruts, divots and bumps all over the place. And for the piece de resistance, the "grounds crew" came out at halftime and poured bags of drying agent of some sort in the goal areas. All in all - terrible.

Wow. Gauntlet thrown. Should be fun to read NCACNE and Harmanis' responses to that blanket statement 

If I had to chose a weakest pod, frankly I think it would have to be the Northeast. If I had to rank all 16 of the remaining teams' chances, beyond the obvious number one in the pod, I'd have to say each of the other three may not even be in the top half of that 16, and I'll try and explain why so I can't be accused of making a similar "blanket statement". I think I read in Christian's look at the sweet 16 that this is as far as Tufts, Cortland and Muhlenberg have all been in their current players' careers. My personal opinion is that Tufts and Cortland have been streaky in the latter part of the season, and Muhlenberg simply doesn't have the offense to win the whole thing. For me, that lack of experience and the other factors make me think if Messiah doesn't make it out of that group, I wouldn't put my money on any of the other three teams coming out of it.

Oh I totally understand where you're coming from here. He posted that fact here on this message board as a standalone thing. Of course in this environment, that is something that is more open to debate and is presented from his biased position as an OWU alum. After all, he didn't post his reasoning on why Kenyon will win here, just the fact that was pro-OWU. I think the whole debate simply arose from the fact that he had already basically written this preview and knew in his mind that the factoid was originating from that piece, which you'd have to agree was pretty unbiased on the whole. All you got was one soundbyte from that, before you got to see the entire piece, and that fact alone could definitely be used to sway peoples' opinion towards an OWU win, so that's what it sounded like he was doing. You wanted to debate that one point, and perhaps he took it as an attack on the fact that he was even considering using it in his preview, when really he knew it was just a small part of it that he thought was relevant to the debate on the board at that point in time.

At least, that's my take on this historic NCAC v. Harmanis battle that will forever go down in d3soccer lore. Now, back to you in the studio!

NCAC, as an outside observer, I really think he was just stating a cool little fact. I think the average DIII fan reading that would think "Oh, that's interesting". Not "Oh man, that guy is such a OWU homer". Knowing very little about OWU or Kenyon, I frankly thought his East Sectional preview was pretty solid in terms of being pretty non-biased. Particularly because he put that specific part in the section on "Why They Will Advance", not the general knowledge about the team. I felt like he gave Kenyon just as much love in that same section.

I was thinking that same thing as I was filling out my bracket. I wonder how much pressure they felt under during that stretch. I kept thinking one of those years that they'd eventually pull it off, but it never happened.

I don't think they did PBP for their own game, so I doubt they did it for the game they didn't play in. But I could be remembering a different pod.