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Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on December 20, 2025, 06:44:04 PMNot to directly quote the idea of my D3fanboy buddy, from an earlier post: John Carroll, today ... "Woof."

How did Mount Union lose to this John Carroll team?

Good question.  They would be probably the 3rd/4th best team in the CCIW with WashU.

I'll compare John Carroll's game on Saturday to the Battle of Fredericksburg (because I'm a nerd lol)
It could have truly been a resounding success.....up until it clearly wasn't and it turned into something very ugly

I'm interested to see how this Stagg Bowl will play out. Knee jerk reaction is based on results, John Carroll, Mount Union, and Wheaton are all probably more or less within a certain variance of each other, but North Central is (on paper) leaps and bounds ahead of the pack

Clearly ahead of that pack, but I don't think they are leaps and bounds ahead of UWR or Johns Hopkins.

Weirdly we have 3 common opponents for the Stagg Bowl teams to compare:

Here's the results against common opponents

UWO 14           NCC 45
UWO 21           UWR 17

UW Lacrosse 7     UWR 41
UW Lacrosse 27   NCC 35

Wheaton 21        UWR 46
Wheaton 0          NCC 35

They've had pretty similar results with the obvious exception of UWO.

I think UWR has the size and speed to play with NCC, but NCC is probably still favored.

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Quote from: WRMUalum13 on December 20, 2025, 05:52:49 PM28-0 after one of the worst  pick 6s I've ever seen.

YUCK, Mount didn't lose to a true semi finals quality team.

This is what NCC does to teams. They make you second guess how good your teams really are.

To be fair, both Capital, Ohio Northern and Baldwin Wallace also made me second guess how good my team was this year LOL 

Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on December 07, 2025, 04:13:25 PMFollow up question I have 24 hrs after the game. For well over 30 years, it required a perfect game to beat Mount, and even then it was often not enough. I believe that JCU played a far from perfect game yesterday; look at the turnovers and blowing the chance to win in the first OT. Has JCU joined the "ranks" of elite teams? or do you think Mount has fallen from utter supremacy? For so long, there was only one team in all of D3 who could play toe to toe with Mount, and be able to get away with mistakes. Are we seeing a broadening of talent and more "tier one" teams? Or is it NCC standing alone, followed by a level of a half dozen teams? then a respectable tier 3, and then the rest? If Mount is no longer elite, has JCU hit the same level?

Now, I do not believe that one win means "we're equals", but I cannot help but think that because of the mistakes we also had proves that the gap between Mount and JCU closed immensely, at the very least.

Just curious your thoughts, from a Mount perspective. Anywho, thanks again for all your congrats and the fact that many of you are cheering for us the rest of the way! I do miss the banter with you all, so this week has been a fun blast from the past. Hate to say I wish MUC57 were alive to see it, but would've been nice to hear his congrats.

Well it's not the answer Streak wanted, but we clearly got it lol.

JCU beat a down UMU this year, 2016 still the pinnacle of JCU football achievement

28-0 after one of the worst  pick 6s I've ever seen.

YUCK, Mount didn't lose to a true semi finals quality team.

Quote from: D3fanboy on December 16, 2025, 06:13:19 PMhttps://www.news-herald.com/2025/12/16/john-carroll-football-hits-jackpot-in-transfer-portal/

hopefully the old school belief of the transfer portal at Mount Union is dead and gone.  The portal sucks, but its the new way of D3 football.  How gross is that?  But the Raiders better load up on transfers this off-season

What makes you think UMU has an old school mindset about the portal? Two of our best receivers this year were transfers, we've also always had big time transfers in the past, even before the portal... Pierre Garçon was the most notebable

We can talk about reasons for not getting as good of top tier transfers as we should be but I don't think it's an old school mindset issue

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Quote from: D3fanboy on December 15, 2025, 04:46:55 PMis this not the worst week of the year?  at least Mount is a basketball school now

I wonder where football lands in the final poll.  Hoops is currently at #12, but may move up depending on what happened elsewhere thanks to their nice win on the road.

We finished #9 in 2023 when we lost to Alma, who lost a fairly competitive game to the eventual champs. In 2019 we finished #3 after losing in round 2 to eventual champs NCC.

I'm thinking the ceiling is #5 and the floor is #10.

FWIW here's our current computer rankings
Massey: #6
Hansen: #7

Quote from: D3fanboy on December 12, 2025, 08:35:32 PMNot really sure how these guys have eligibility left, but losing multi year starters with a year left is not a great look...

I think it might be a situation where they have no D3 eligibility left but they might have 1 year of D2 or D1 eligibility left. If you only actually competed for 3 years in D3 (like Turner and Brown did) I'm wondering if that year they were on the team but didn't play would count as a redshirt year if they transferred to a higher division.

This would make a lot of sense considering KB's comments in the post-game press conference, he seems like a MU die-hard and it wouldn't make any sense for him to leave if he still had another year at Mount available

Quote from: mucgrad06 on December 12, 2025, 09:14:21 PMYou don't/didn't go to Mount to win the OAC.

Are you new to this board? 

Quote from: Desertraider on December 12, 2025, 08:44:03 AMWho does Mount have this round? Oh right - forgot. GD wants to keep his reservation as King of the Kids Table.

Someone eluded to GD bei g 67-5 (?) etc. Yep. But Mount doesnt acknowledge conference championships- they dont do OAC rings. His record isnt  67-5, its 0-5.

I mean I don't know how many times we have to say it on this board, but "The Standard is the Standard" by definition if you start to accept 67-5 with 0 titles as acceptable, than you're lowering the standard.

Regardless of if "The Standard" is realistic, achievable or fair, it's the standard GD is holding himself and his program to (which I respect) so it's only fair that we get to be unhappy with 0 Stagg Bowl wins since 2017.

Quote from: Desertraider on December 12, 2025, 08:44:03 AMWho does Mount have this round? Oh right - forgot. GD wants to keep his reservation as King of the Kids Table.

Someone eluded to GD bei g 67-5 (?) etc. Yep. But Mount doesnt acknowledge conference championships- they dont do OAC rings. His record isnt  67-5, its 0-5.

On a related note I think my favorite LK stat is that he coached for more seasons (27) than he had total losses in his career (24), averaging less than 1 loss per season breaks my brain a little bit.

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Quote from: emma17 on December 11, 2025, 03:03:01 PMIt might be the 02 Warhawk (worry wart) coming out in me, the Wheaton matchup is a big concern. UWRF has great skill players and they're pretty good in the trenches.
However, Wheaton has the most proficient run/pass capabilities UWRF will see to date I believe. Wheaton has had no problem running on the teams that were supposed to be run stoppers- and they stop the run. Likely Blaha will be called on to do even more (not sure how much more the guy can do). If Blaha gets neutralized at all, trouble in River City.

I'm not sure a data point from 16 or so weeks ago matters much, but watching the Wheaton UMU game in person I wasn't super impressed with Wheaton in terms of eye test. They got the doors blown off until Mount started to take out starters in the 4th quarter when they were already up 37-14.

Of course Mount Union may have regressed since then or Wheaton could have improved, but as a neutral observer I think UW-R wins by like 2-3 TDs

The legend of UMU v Wheaton grows with each retelling.  The facts are UMU pulled their QB and WRs for two series in the 4th quarter. OL stayed the same and the first team defense never subbed out.  Wheaton made it a 1 score game

That's what I said, "Mount Union started to pull their starters" I didn't say they put everyone on the bench for the rest of the game!

Quote from: robertgoulet on December 11, 2025, 10:09:37 AMWheaton is peaking at the right time, imo. I smell an upset.

I can't figure out if Mount Union just really regressed since their week 1 game against Wheaton, or Wheaton just played a bad 1st 3 quarters against Mount and is in fact a semi-final level team

Quote from: art76 on December 09, 2025, 09:11:00 AMWord for the day: history.

Looking at who's left standing, something I said earlier, but cannot put my finger on, was along the lines that BU playing NC could be the de facto "Stagg Bowl" game, depending on your perspective of the outcome. I'm sure more will be said about the history of these two teams playing leading up to the game on Saturday, but history is history, and whose to say that more history won't be written about after this coming weekend's games? Seeing JC take down UMU in 2 OT last week was historic. Will the story line be similar if BU does in fact win over NC? Probably not, because there is not the same history between the two teams. The bounce of the ball is fickle, just ask David Geebli. History is simply the recording of the bounces. That said, I sure hope the Royals are victorious this weekend. Go Bethel!

As a Mount Union fan, I appreciate the fact that everyone seems to forget that we got bounced in round 2 by Alma two years ago LOL

Quote from: emma17 on December 11, 2025, 03:03:01 PMIt might be the 02 Warhawk (worry wart) coming out in me, the Wheaton matchup is a big concern. UWRF has great skill players and they're pretty good in the trenches.
However, Wheaton has the most proficient run/pass capabilities UWRF will see to date I believe. Wheaton has had no problem running on the teams that were supposed to be run stoppers- and they stop the run. Likely Blaha will be called on to do even more (not sure how much more the guy can do). If Blaha gets neutralized at all, trouble in River City.

I'm not sure a data point from 16 or so weeks ago matters much, but watching the Wheaton UMU game in person I wasn't super impressed with Wheaton in terms of eye test. They got the doors blown off until Mount started to take out starters in the 4th quarter when they were already up 37-14.

Of course Mount Union may have regressed since then or Wheaton could have improved, but as a neutral observer I think UW-R wins by like 2-3 TDs

Quote from: D3fanboy on December 10, 2025, 11:51:09 AMhearing some rumblings out of Ohio City that a hot name for the open St Ignatius HS job is a current OAC head coach.....

I've heard it could be a few former JCU coaches: https://steelersdepot.com/2025/12/steelers-tom-arth-named-candidate-to-become-high-school-head-coach/