Quote from: jknezek on June 26, 2020, 06:35:33 PM

Quote from: HSCTiger fan on June 26, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
Where does it stop?  Is the name enough? Changing the name does not change the past.  Will changing the name increase the number of black students and faculty members (currently 2.2% and 4.1%) Real change is a little harder than a name change. Telling generations of alumni they should be ashamed of their alma mater just to placate today's left seems foolish to me.  But heck I went to school in North Carolina, a state who gets its name from King Charles I. A king who granted a license to a syndicate of traders that gave them approval to transport slaves from Guinea. So I cannot say too much.

JK I can relate to your story completely.  This might give me away, but it has been well over a decade since I last suited up, but I was a W&L football player for a season before transferring closer to home and H-SC.  Still have good memories of the place and Coach Mirriello, and root for Coach Abell at Davidson.  With that said, I remember coming from a rural school district where 50 maybe 55% of our student population was black and playing football with a team that was 80% black.  I didn't think anything of it, as I had grown up with it my whole life.  My first day I walked into the locker room, and back then they were divided into offensive and defensive locker rooms.  I sat down in my stall with the other linemen and looked around.  I realized we didn't have a single black player on offense.  In my head I kinda shuttered and thought that I had never blocked for a white running back in my life and rarely had we ever thrown the ball to a white receiver.  That was a whole new world for me.  I personally, would be against a name change for the school but would understand the world that dictates it.  The minority population and issue at H-SC wasn't as pronounced during my time there but I think one of my friends was the first black starting offensive lineman in school history.  Which being in the 2000's is crazy to think about.  H-SC, I was told, is starting to meet full need for minority students to increase that percentage of the population which I am all for.  Creating the bubbles that W&L and H-SC are in in terms of their student population is where I think the most change needs to be made.  Right now I could go to college for four years and barely have to associate with a person of a different race, that is where change is needed the most.

I think those numbers are a major indication of a problem. And yes, I think changing the name will help with the problem... eventually.

I'll leave one personal story here, though it's one I may have told on this board the last time this debate popped up in 2018. Back in 2016, I think - too lazy to look it up but it was not the most recent game rather the one before, I was at the W&L at Sewanee game. An older, black Sewanee gent approached me hesitantly as I was standing along the endzone and not with the W&L crowd. He asked me, I suspect as nicely as he could imagine, how W&L was still a segregated team. I told him it wasn't but was kind of at a loss for words. He looked at our football team, and our cheering section, and said he didn't see a single black player on the field. I looked him square in the face and told him that there was only ONE black student on the team as far as I knew, a first year from the town over from me in AL. The nice man looked at me for a second and said something like, "I see. I wouldn't have gone to a school named for Lee either."

I think he expected me to make a scene or argue as he kind of cringed after he said it. Instead I looked right at him and told him I didn't blame him. I said I loved my school and made great friends and had a wonderful education, but that for a kid from NJ, Confederate pride came as quite a shock my freshman year.

I stood with that nice older gent, who turned out to be the grandfather of a Sewanee player, for part of the third quarter and we talked cautiously. Mostly about football as I suspect both of us felt pretty awkward after the opening. Finally he said it was nice to talk to me and he was glad his fears weren't true, but he was glad his grandson wasn't at a school named for Lee. I didn't know what to say but I put my hand out to shake his and said it was nice to meet him as well and I hoped his grandson had a great college experience. W&L is a great school, but if the name engenders that kind of response for a significant segment of the American population, we have a problem. That day really confirmed my belief that the name needed to change.

I think, or I hope though I believe I see evidence of it, with each generation there are fewer students in W&L's target audience who are willing to embrace the Antebellum South as heroic and more looking at it as a distasteful if not disgraceful period of American history. I think that is accelerating across the country because as the world becomes more connected and mobile it's harder to maintain the stories that promote Confederate pride. When your main source of history was your school approved textbook and teacher, it was easy to brush slavery aside for states rights. When the world is electronically connected, it's harder for that textbook to stand up to the scrutiny.

I'm not ashamed of W&L, though I'll be sad if they push this decision off again. But here's two things that are facts about R.E. Lee. 1) He didn't want Confederate Monuments. 2) He wanted what was best for what was then Washington College. Dropping the name Lee from Washington and Lee University might be a fit for both of those desires.

So uh, any word on E&H looking good go to D2?   Heard initially football coaches using it in recruiting then Newsome was asked about them exploring the move and gave no comment in a recent article.  E&H to leave the ODAC???

So where does H-SC's season land on a 1-10 scale of surprises.  To think this team and program that has been down right awful the past two seasons could do this in the first year of a new coach (who I would figure would be in the running for ODAC Coach of the Year) is pretty unbelievable.  I know it will come back down to earth as they close with a tough stretch, but with football having a dreadful season it is awesome to see this!

Quote from: Macon on August 19, 2019, 10:35:04 AM

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Quote from: HSCTiger fan on August 18, 2019, 07:20:51 PM
Question-does RMC keep it behind the counter at Sheetz between the Marlboros and Winston's  or does Pedro keep it on his night stand?   

Like Farmville is some booming metropolis? 😂

h
  While I hate to come down on the side of "the enemy", not only is Farmville hardly a booming metropolis, HSC is several miles outside of town. At least RMC can say that they're in Ashland.

I'm a Southside VA kid that grew up relatively close to the HSC campus (never considered going there, maybe to get away from Southside VA). I played several high school district athletic events at HSC.  So, I have all the respect for HSC and always root for HSC except when playing RMC.  I want to beat HSC at their best. I don't view HSC as 'the enemy', but more as sibling rivalry, so when I rib HSC, it's brotherly love.  Anytime HSC can beat the likes of EHC, VWU or BC, it's a good day.

I'm with you Macon.  I am a central VA guy and grew up around H-SC where I eventually went to school after transferring from W&L.  I love the banter and back and forth, and hope eventually we are back to back and forth games instead of this one sided stuff!

Unfortunately, we will never compete with KDU when it comes to entertainment factor of "big-city living"  after all they are KDU.....(Kings Dominion University).  If Pedro keeps it on his night stand because he had burning deep desire to best Marty all those years ago and now he's rolling in it, then good for him. 

Not to throw another school under bus but I have seen Averett University do this.  They had a prospect camp and put the prospects in blue shirts and all the incoming freshmen in yellow.  They even told parents what the deal was and the reason was to give coaches a look at their incoming guys running drills

DeLane Fitzgerald had some success at SVU prior to the move to Frostburg State as well. 

So how many times in the gym did he practice that shot only for a coach to tell him to stop throwing up stupid full court shots that would never happen in a game?  lol  .......this must of been a long time ago never seen Crenshaw that empty!

Anyone have a bit more info on Kimborough?  Interested in hiring a guy with a losing record, but it appears his 24-27 record the previous 2 seasons is more wins than Huntingdon had in the previous 4 combined.....plus 13 wins this year being the most they have had in a decade......but just trying to understand what we might see from Tiger Basketball in the immediate future.

Quote from: tigerFanAlso2 on February 06, 2019, 01:17:00 PM
wonder if the new administration cares about athletics and/or if admissions/financial packages are different from what they once were ?
not saying I have a clue but something has changed in our athletic department; football is on the decline, basketball already near the bottom of D3, don't follow other sports but I don't think they are anything more than average. Stay tuned, maybe this nightmare will correct itself sooner than later.

I think some other sports are actually making improvements.  Lacrosse near top of ODAC after winning it a few years ago.  Tennis back near top, and baseball now back steadily in top half to upper part of league.  I think H-SC is going to struggle in their recruiting profile as long as tuition keeps climbing. We are expensive and we have to hit a certain niche recruiting and financial aid wise.  W&L could use same excuse with expense and limits academically (more exclusive than H-SC) but we don't recruit nationally to make up for it.  Something is going have to change inside athletics.  To be a top flight D3 athletic program in 2019, you're having to veer a lot more into looking like a D1 program facility wise and how you run your program.  Not to heap praise on KDU but they are doing things right athletically speaking. 

Sad day when H-SC has fallen this hard.  To be mediocre is one thing, but to be in the bottom tier of the country, let alone ODAC sucks.

Is RMC's win the biggest upset of round one?

If you give me one more game as a senior I am taking it.  Meaningless or not give me one more time to suit up and play.  I'm getting up there now and could never step back on a field physically but I'd emotionally and mentally love it!

Bridgewater finishing the way they did was impressive.  Gotta feel for Guilford, lose on the interception to BW, lose on a FG at the gun vs H-SC.  Are any ODAC teams beside Ferrum getting their tenth game in this week?  Ferrum vs. Averett in Danville on Saturday.  I think this is the second year in a row that AU is finishing the season during week one of the playoffs

that's my theory too, get older, and we should, in theory, getting bigger, faster, and stronger.  When you bring back your OL and your RB, if everyone commits to improving, you should improve.  I like our position moving forward in the ODAC overall, though maybe not necessarily in just the rivalry with RMC.  I was thinking about this the other day, who is your biggest disappointment in the ODAC this year? 

Ferrum beats the top two teams in the ODAC (HSC and RMC) but can only beat one other ODAC opponent, but it was their first year in conference.

W&L certainly returned the most, but to finish 5-5 with the group that returned and lose some of the games they lost certainly was not expected.  To return what they did (especially Breece) and finish .500 shows, in my opinion, just how good Scott Abbell was/is.  (look at what he is doing at Davidson in year one.....)  Those are my two that jump right off the top of my head, but you could also argue Shenandoah (you had an elite QB in Bauserman, when is the breakthrough going come now?) Really the ODAC, outside of RMC, could all be looking at the years as what if/disappointments.  Only one team with 6 wins this year (on the flip side every team had multiple conference victories, resulting in an anyone can beat anyone ODAC).