Why don't we do our own NYS Poll here on the LLPP? I would enjoy that especially with all the respect I have for Bartman, IC, Palooza, Tony, and on and on.

I'm in!

Nice W for Union yesterday over a reeling Hobart. To me, even a reeling Hobart is still a tough out. I thought Patch was the difference and the Union D did a lot of rope a doping, bending at some key moments in the game.

I think this shows that Union has a chance to compete for the title but I still have them below RPI. As far as IC goes, I'm not really sure. I haven't watched them a ton but with that tough D I think Union will have to beat them to convince me they could be number 2.

Should be an exciting last part of the season.

Union 24-17

Flanagan and Dinardo will be the difference as the Union D holds just enough.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if the score is flipped. I think Hobart is a very athletic and talented team with some injuries and they just haven't come together yet. Hopefully they wait another week until they come together.

Hoping for a competitive injury free game.

Quote from: Jonny Utah on October 07, 2025, 09:56:17 AMAnd all this previous talk about booting Hilbert or someone out of the LL.  Rochester should be booted for charging for their video streams. 

It's a ****ing joke and they should be ashamed of themselves. It's real, "let them eat cake" type ****. Can you imagine being the parent of a player, shelling out all that $ for your kid to go to U of R, and they have the balls to charge you to watch your kid play each week?

Big game for Bethel today. Let's ****ing go Baptist Royals! Hoping everyone here on the MIAC board and their loved ones are well!

Ithaca - 28
Rochester - 6
IC wins handily. I expected and hoped for much more from Rochester last week and it just wasn't there. I don't think it will be this week either against a good football team in Ithaca.

RPI - 17
Hobart - 13
Again, I think since getting absolutely rocked by Hobart RI got this team focused and driven. Hobart just can't do enough on O and when they do...they drop game tying passes. Tons of respect here for both programs but RPI needs this to show they are a real front runner for the LL title.

The Team We Wish Was Alfred/SJF - 3
St. Lawrence - 34


Union - 42
Buff St - 9
If Union's offense keeps up what it started last week they'll score over 40 and play multiple QB's and RB's in the process. This IS NOT to say Union is that good but Buffalo St is just struggling. Honestly I REALLY WANT to see Buffalo State compete. Still remember and love their W over Whitewater.

I'll agree that this is a down LL and one that may not even get an NCAA win this season. We shall see.

Ithaca's grays are sweet to my eye, but I totally understand where you coming from IC. Union has done the same thing with the grays and RPI the blacks (and I bet it has driven some crazy). While I think some of these changes are super sharp,  I can't argue the fact that they aren't the true colors of the schools and that must drive many crazy. Even though I think Union's grays look sharp, I'd still prefer white and garnet or all garnet as I'm sure you're missing the blue/white/golds.

Union up 21-0 on SLU with 11 minutes left in the first half. Nice opening drive for Union and then tough special teams break for SLU after Union's initial TD, and we are at 14-0 right off the bat.

I like SLU's fight and their use of two QB's, as Ledderman runs the ball quite a lot.

Union looking pretty good this evening.

Quote from: IC798891 on September 27, 2025, 05:17:45 PMAs for the likely news of the day.

I don't know, or particularly care, if picking up the flag on the PI call was right

Unless something has changed I'm unaware of, it would have given Hobart a first and 10 at the 18 and they ended up with a first and 10 at the 22 one play later. Knock yourselves out arguing if you think those four yards were the difference.

Frankly, I though both teams looked lousy, and neither seems particularly threatening beyond winning the conference.

For Ithaca, the inability to execute in the kicking game popped up last week, and nearly cost them today. It gave me flashbacks to the Swanstrom era, when the Bombers lost out on likely two playoff appearances due to poor special teams play. And the continued inability to make plays downfield in the passing game against good opponents is just killing the offense.

For Hobart, I don't know, it seems to me that if you have the presumptive best RB, if not offensive player, in the entire conference, you might consider giving him the ball on 4th and 1 from the 4, or 2nd and 3rd and 4 from the 16 with the game on the line. Heck, you might as well have given it to him on 4th and 4 if you're going to throw it to a guy running a route short of the freakin' sticks. Nothing irks me more than

--Not putting the hands in the ball of your best player in the biggest moments
--Completed passes on 4th and short not picking up first downs

This year's game wasn't really much better than last year's rock fight, and if these are indeed the top two teams in the LL as the coaches thought, everyone's gonna be home for the year pretty early.

Fair point, and I would have been ok with that, Union being left out, based on numbers regarding that specific timeline. I would enjoy one very strong conference regardless.

With that said, overall, Union would be included and rightfully so, with their overall body of work. No pumping of the breaks needed.

Congrats to the Bombers on another W over Hobart at Butterfield. I really enjoyed watching the second half of this one.

Credit IC's defense for holding and their offense for getting the first downs they needed to run out the clock.

I absolutely love IC's uniforms. I've always been a fan of solid colors with less lines/etc. These dark gray with the dark blue helmet with traditional "Ithaca" written across looks excellent.

IC D playing tough right now.

Quote from: IC798891 on September 26, 2025, 03:58:51 PMO

Quote from: unionpalooza on September 26, 2025, 11:27:22 AMI still can't believe the LL got saddled with both of these guys.  Still wish they instead had divided the LL and E8 into a super league of Union/Ithaca/RPI/Hobart/Brockport/Cortland/Utica/Alfred and relegated the other 8 to a B league. 

If your program has an 0-10 season on its D3 football.com era resume, I wouldn't be talking about which programs should be getting relegated to B leagues.

So you're saying a programs like Hilbert and Buffalo State consistently play on the same level of Union?

So much so that palooza expressing that he would like Union, and I'm assuming the other more successful programs in the LL, to combine with other strong E8 programs to make a more competitive conference is out of line and/or not appropriate?

I'm just trying to understand the meaning of your post, which to me comes across as quite off base. Programs reputation and success on the field IMHO are made up of more than three poor seasons overall when their body of work both before and after those poor seasons is markedly better than anything Buffalo State and Hilbert have done.

****, maybe we can make a new conference that can include teams like Ithaca, Nichols, Westfield State, Alfred State, Castleton, Hartwick, St. Vincent, and Willy P...and even Curry for those Purple Drank days...

Quote from: unionpalooza on September 26, 2025, 12:02:14 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2025, 11:34:20 AMWell, then that team's NPI would suffer, they'd get sent to a pretty good team on the road early in the playoffs, and people would use that as a data point to suggest your league was overrated.

Eh, I could care less about how people rate the league. I just want to watch — and I think most kids want to play — good, hard-nosed football and games that matter, week after week.  The luxury of beating up on Butterscotch State, whether during the season or in the first round of the playoffs, is a lame thing to prioritize.

I couldn't agree more Palooza.

Let's give this a go. I am going to actually keep track of my record.

LL Play Week #1:

U of R @ RPI -I am very impressed with RPI's week last week. To me, wins like that say a lot about the character of the players and the coaching. U of R has done what it's needed to and yet again looks poised to enter the top four. RPI 24-21

Hobart @ Ithaca - Another odd numbered year, another opportunity for the Pumpkins to try and get that elusive W at IC. Seems like JHU is really that good and Hobart slayed a dragon last week in Utica. IC 27-24

SLU @ Union - IMHO Union must win this, at the very least for optics and keeping positive forward momentum towards a consistent future and identity under Drach. This is a game where Patch can be the difference. He will be and the defense, while giving up some points, will do enough. Union 28 - 10.

Buffalo State @ Hilbert - I'm a big believer that both in life and sports you must often hit rock bottom before things really change. If Buff loses this one...that is officially, at least in my eyes, rock bottom. Buffalo State 10-9

A nice win for Union yesterday. I thought Mo'ville had some athletes but they just couldn't get a lot going as a team.

I think Dinardo #4, established himself as the number #1 back and Jones, only a Soph, has some potential.

I was pleased with the play and physicality of the defense. Some inexperience there, but I loved the effort and some real third down stops.

I like our receivers, mostly undersized, but athletic. Couple tough drops with a couple nice catches.

Patch continues to be Patch. Tough as **** and always competes. I feel his accuracy and timing with routes within 10ish yards has really improved. He struggles with consistency on the deeper balls which is certainly not uncommon at this level. He is a very tough and agile runner. Like I've said before, he has won me over.

Overall I'd say this is an average team with some skill players who are capable of making some big plays. Drach needs a couple of years to build his team but I think we are moving in the right direction. I think a 500 finish, or maybe 4-6 would be good.

I see the LL like this right now:
1.) Bombers
2.) Pumpkinheads
3.) RPI
4.) Rochester/Union
5.) SLU
6.) Buff
7.) Hilbert