My Kentucky Wildcats hired a Macon alumnus to be their new Defensive Coordinator. He comes to UK from Texas A&M where he has been the DC as well.

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/jay-bateman-kentucky-defensive-coordinator-hire/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking_42995672_kentucky&utm_term=Kentucky%20Wildcats%20News

"Jay Bateman, 52, is a Virginia native who played linebacker at Randolph-Macon from 1991-94."

Quote from: Tigerfan on November 09, 2025, 03:05:06 PMYou made me want to look at the play by play.  The box score p-b-p shows the specific problem; it also makes no sense on its face.  P-b-p accurately shows Paider of UWL scored a contested layup at 16:44 to trail by 1, 38-37. Hampden-Sydney inbounds, gets it across half court and calls timeout at 16:30 (time ran off the clock while H-S retrieved ball that went well off the court after made basket).  At the very same 16:30 on the p-b-p, Paider is inaccurately given 2 more points for a layup.  That simply did not happen on the video, nor should it have happened on paper; UWL is given a basket when H-S had possession.  They lead by 1 now. Their next score will happen at 15:33. Why the problem was not cleared up after multiple visits to the scorer's table by Tiger coaches is a mystery. 

Unless the official scorer logged the time on each point - which they are technically supposed to but as someone who has done it a bunch of times and used to train people on it, it is admittedly hard to keep up with and can easily be skipped - then there is no way of knowing when the mystery two points should have been added in the official stats. So at this point you just put it in there to make the score match what the scorebook has and call it a day.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2025, 10:00:27 AM^^^ Do the official scorers, who register points in the official score book, also operate the scoreboard in the gym? Whether yes, or no, I'm assuming the basket in question was not recorded either place. I'm also assuming that archived game video has been reviewed and the unrecorded basket has been verified. Not questioning what you are saying. It's a real shame something like that happens. Hard to know how the game would have played out if it had been recorded correctly. Could have affected decisions to call timeouts, whether/when to start fouling, etc., etc.

That is two different jobs, but the scorebook is the official score. So if they screw it up, then the scoreboard will also have to be incorrect.

Quote from: Tigerfan on November 07, 2025, 10:14:07 PMVWU announcers: please take some time to learn the pronunciation of player names. 

Sadly a lost art for many in the broadcasting world these days. Dirk Nowitzki played in the NBA for 21 years and still pretty frequently couldn't even get his name pronounced right by ESPN or TNT people. Top people in the profession setting a bad example doesn't help matters either.

It's a day one lesson everyone should be taught and it should be continually stressed. It was something I always told my student broadcasters and PA announcers they needed to do. It was their job to reach out to the coaches in pregame to get pronunciations.

Like I get it, sometimes with difficult names you're going to screw it up eventually even if you do get the pronunciations because expecting perfection is not the least bit realistic, but you have to put in the effort to try to do it right and to not repeat a mispronunciation if you do mess it up once.

Not even a whole quarter played yet and Gallaudet should be added to the list of worst teams H-SC has ever played.

Quote from: MCScots2013 on October 31, 2025, 01:57:23 PMWhat's the chances of Lynchburg starting a program to keep up with the Joneses?  Higher chance if Averett shuts down?

Lynchburg isn't exactly in the financial position to be adding a football program, plus the optics of adding it would look pretty awful when they keep slashing academic programs, laying off staff, and eliminating entire departments.

Also, don't think SACS would look too kindly on adding football when the school is under accreditation warning for numerous things, one of which is not operating in a "fiscally responsible manner."

And I know some of the people of power/influence in the business office who were at one point at least adamantly opposed to adding football are still there. I suppose their stances could have changed since then, but I doubt it.

I doubt football is even a blip on the radar at the moment.

Quote from: HSCTiger fan on October 29, 2025, 07:18:28 PM

Quote from: thescottharris on October 29, 2025, 04:18:13 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2025, 03:27:05 PM

Quote from: thescottharris on October 29, 2025, 10:56:23 AMIf W&L, H-SC, and R-MC wins out with H-SC beating R-MC in the final week, there will be a three-way tie and thus three ODAC champions, per the ODAC manual.

This would be only the second time (1985, 1997) that there would be multiple champions, each also a three-way tie as everyone plays h2h so there's never been a two-way tie for the title.

Was it different in 2008?

https://www.d3football.com/conf/ODAC/2008/standings

Probably because the teams didn't have an equal record against each other in a 4-way tie. Macon and Catholic went 2-1 against the other tied teams while H-SC and E&H went 1-2. So that eliminated H-SC and E&H from the picture. That made it a two-way h2h tiebreaker between Macon and Catholic, and since Macon beat Catholic, Macon got the title.

If H-SC, W&L, and R-MC all finish with one loss in the proposed scenario, they all would have gone 1-1 against each other, so the h2h tiebreaker wouldn't solve anything.

For determining an ODAC Champion in a sport where there is no tournament or title game (which is only football), h2h is the only tiebreaker. At least that is the case in 2025 rules, I assume that would have been the case in 2008 as well. Hopefully at no point in time was some math formula used to determine an ODAC champion!

Here's the rule right from the ODAC handbook.

Conference Champion

The regular season Conference standings shall determine the Conference Champion.
1. In the case of a two-way tie, the "ODAC Tie-Breaking System" included under "General
Procedures Governing Intercollegiate Competition" in this manual will be used. The head-to-head
game score will be used to establish a winner. If three teams are tied, the team, which
has defeated the other two, becomes champion.

2.If the first step does not break the tie, the three teams tied will advance to the ODAC Five-Point
Tie Breaking Procedure. If a tie still exists, each team will be compared to the teams above
and below them in the standings (record vs. #1, record vs. #2, record vs. #5, record vs. #6).
In the event the teams are still tied, point differential (no cap) between the teams tied will serve
as the next step. The team with the best point differential will advance. If two teams' points are
equal, the head-to-head contest between the two will determine the advancing team.

If following the point differential teams are still tied, the conference will invoke the "Rose Bowl
Rule" which calls for the team that has not been to NCAA post season most recently to
advance to NCAA play that year.

Well I had a whole post written out and then half of it didn't post when I pressed the post button. I'm not about to rewrite it.

The ODAC manual needs to be rewritten. The first section that says tri-champions are declared is completely invalidated by later sections. Don't write someone is declared a champion if that is not the case!

That's like someone saying they are married, but then it turns out they actually aren't, they are just engaged and still need to have that whole wedding thing to seal the deal.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2025, 03:27:05 PM

Quote from: thescottharris on October 29, 2025, 10:56:23 AMIf W&L, H-SC, and R-MC wins out with H-SC beating R-MC in the final week, there will be a three-way tie and thus three ODAC champions, per the ODAC manual.

This would be only the second time (1985, 1997) that there would be multiple champions, each also a three-way tie as everyone plays h2h so there's never been a two-way tie for the title.

Was it different in 2008?

https://www.d3football.com/conf/ODAC/2008/standings

Probably because the teams didn't have an equal record against each other in a 4-way tie. Macon and Catholic went 2-1 against the other tied teams while H-SC and E&H went 1-2. So that eliminated H-SC and E&H from the picture. That made it a two-way h2h tiebreaker between Macon and Catholic, and since Macon beat Catholic, Macon got the title.

If H-SC, W&L, and R-MC all finish with one loss in the proposed scenario, they all would have gone 1-1 against each other, so the h2h tiebreaker wouldn't solve anything.

For determining an ODAC Champion in a sport where there is no tournament or title game (which is only football), h2h is the only tiebreaker. At least that is the case in 2025 rules, I assume that would have been the case in 2008 as well. Hopefully at no point in time was some math formula used to determine an ODAC champion!

Accidentally posted this on the basketball board...

H-SC's ability to consistently connect on long pass plays (20+) yards is remarkable.

Delaware Valley - 5 times

Washington & Jefferson - 7 times

Shenandoah - 2 times. This was an odd game and a clear outlier on the season for H-SC. Sido threw a couple picks midway thru the 2nd quarter, and with the run game being as successful as it was, the coach went alright you're done passing as he only had three more pass attempts the rest of the game.

Guilford - 6 times

Washington & Lee - 4 times

Averett - 6 times

Roanoke - 9 times

That's 5.6 pass plays of 20+ yards per game. Eliminate the outlier game against Shenandoah and it goes up to 6.2. And many of these games saw them run the ball a good bit more while playing reserves in the second half because they ended up being blowouts. Of course, you could also say they likely wouldn't have had as many big pass plays if those blowouts had been competitive games, but Roanoke was fairly competitive on the scoreboard at least for three quarters and that game had their season high.

Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 25, 2025, 07:20:03 PM^^^ Might want to move that post to the football board.

I was wondering why my post wasn't showing up over there lol 

If W&L, H-SC, and R-MC wins out with H-SC beating R-MC in the final week, there will be a three-way tie and thus three ODAC champions, per the ODAC manual.

This would be only the second time (1985, 1997) that there would be multiple champions, each also a three-way tie as everyone plays h2h so there's never been a two-way tie for the title.

Also per the ODAC manual, the team that has had the longest NCAA Tournament drought would earn the automatic bid. That would be Hampden-Sydney as they last made the NCAA Tournament in 2014. Randolph-Macon's most recent trip was 2024, W&L's was 2021.

The bottom three in the ODAC this year are embarrassingly bad. This has to be the worst it's been ever since I started following in 2010.

And then Bridgewater is sputtering around on life support, on pace to have their worst record since 1998, a year in which they went winless. They better thank their lucky stars the bottom three are so bad or it would be really ugly for them.

Roanoke sure did have awfully good timing to start up their program then, didn't they? First year in the league and they should pick up no less than 4 ODAC wins and 6 total wins to secure a winning overall record, firmly placing them in the mid tier of the league, which should theoretically give them some momentum on the recruiting trail. All things considered, what a tremendous way to kick off the first year as an official D3 program.

I don't know if that's quite ODAC Coach of the Year material, maybe if they can spring an upset over H-SC and/or W&L, but it should certainly get Stinespring some consideration.

Regarding FloSports, it's a distribution deal. The schools are still 100% responsible for production. 

Alas, I have watched my last online stream of any ODAC teams. This is basically the final nail in the coffin for that. But all the other nails that sealed the coffin is a whole other topic that I could go on and on about and this is not the proper place to do it, plus I doubt any of your care anyway lol.

Alas, unless I was told or remember incorrectly, schools are going to be required at some point to improve production values. Lynchburg might be mostly in the clear there already given what they do but even some of their stuff won't meet the requirements I remember being told. 

But that's a requirement that could prove to be pretty challenging for at least some of the schools if not most to all.

I know when I was at Hampden-Sydney I frequently struggled to staff the bare bones operation. Like you think I was happy to run a crappy one-camera setup with maybe one announcer - if I'm lucky - for anything outside of football and basketball? No, but I would often struggle to properly staff that. When the basketball team became a dumpster fire I was literally begging people to work. Like literally out here using child labor (legally, of course) because I couldn't get anyone else to work.

Now it will eventually have to eventually be like 4 cameras? And we're talking a school here that generally only has two games going in one day. 

What's a school going to when they have like basketball, baseball, softball, lacrosse, tennis, etc. all running on the same day? Get the coaches to collectively work together on scheduling so it doesn't screw over the athletics comms departments that are likely going to continue to be the one having to 100% carry the burden of having to make all this happen? That will be a cold day in hell when that happens.

Without at least one major impact transfer/freshmen or some drastic improvements from a returning player, I expect H-SC to take a major step back next year. Brazil and, to a lesser degree, Fernald were the only two steady hands you could count to be productive most of the time. Everyone else was so streaky as far as the counting stats go. 

And obviously Brazil had a super high usage rate with a lot of experience and some of that clutch gene, he ended up being a lot better as THE go-to guy than I thought he would be, which helped H-SC out tremendously this year when I thought they would have taken a further step back than they did.

Couldn't watch the game yesterday. Colin Radcliffe for H-SC only played 5 minutes and never saw the floor in the second half. Did he get injured or was it just bad matchup where it just wasn't going to work out for him?