MattGrubb:

Yes KC was an historic rival of FISK and used to be members in the same conference (SIAC) for several decades. In fact the conference FISK is in now (GCAC) is comprised of many former historic rivals from the (SIAC) as well!  The NAIA is indeed a better fit and the coaches (for all sports) are recruiting athletes nationally and in some cases internationally.  The men's bball team signed 5 players from Michigan over the past 2 years.  The men's and women's track team have signed athletes from Cailfornia for example.   

Glad to see that everyone is doing well in the USA South.  Good Luck everyone on a fine season!  Happy Thanksgiving!

Stopped by the say hi to my old GSAC friends!  Glad to see everyone doing well in the USA South.  FISK basketball is doing fairly well in the NAIA.  The men's team just defeated #22 ranked Martin Methodist on their court a few days ago for a (3-4) record.  They should be be (6-1) after having lost 3 close games. We have a returning 6-8 All-American Darrell Miller that is averaging a double double.  The women's team is also (3-4) and have the NAIA Division I leading scorer in junior Stevonna Scott with a 29.4 avg per game!   

Don't really know the answer to that question scottiedoug.  My best guess is that it is a wash...

Latest Update on Fisk's Chris Adams

http://www.majorprepsports.com/2012/02/09/chris-adams/

Latest on new Fisk basketball signee

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/fisk-s-85-year-old-program-adds-more-history-lineup-its-first-white-player

May the GSAC rest in peace!  It was a decent run while it lasted, but it was doomed almost from the start.
Good Luck to everyone in the new conference! Bye, bye!!!

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
and Huntingdon and Covenant are stuck in the middle of D-3 nowhere.

Ralph, does this mean that the GSAC will be disbanded after 2012?

http://www.thedepauw.com/sports/four-schools-consider-scac-departure-in-2012-1.2225563

Four schools consider SCAC departure in 2012
By Michael Appelgate and Leslie Gaber

Published: Tuesday, May 10, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 02:05

Sewanee: The University of the South, Rhodes College, Hendrix College and Centre College all voted to leave the SCAC, effective July 1, 2012.... After 13 years, 76 Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference titles and six Presidents Trophies, DePauw will close the final chapter on its membership in the conference at the end of the school year.

While the Tigers' decision to join the North Coast Athletic Conference has been official since last June, this summer could bring even more drastic changes for the remaining members of the SCAC.

SCAC Commissioner Dwayne Hanberry confirmed via email Sunday that Sewanee: The University of the South, Rhodes College, Hendrix College and Centre College have all expressed their intent to leave the conference effective July 1, 2012. Hanberry said he does not expect a formal announcement to be made until after the conference presidents' meeting on June 7.

University presidents of each of the member institutions were informed of the four schools' considerations in an email sent last week, according to Laurie Saxton, director of media relations at Sewanee.

Should Sewanee, Rhodes, Hendrix and Centre choose to leave the SCAC, the size of the conference would be cut from 12 members down to eight with Austin College, Birmingham-Southern College, Colorado College, Millsaps College, Oglethorpe University, Southwestern University and Trinity University remaining. In September, the University of Dallas accepted an invitation to join the SCAC beginning with the 2011-12 season.

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scottiedoug you may be getting your wish....

Congratulations!

Gregory Sager: I'm very much through talking about this matter. (I am sure others would like that as well) I have neither the time nor inclination to continue to discuss this matter any further.  My initial response that drove this discussion was to my friend scottiedoug and others took it upon themselves to respond when scottiedoug did not for whatever reason.  You made your valid points, Pat made his valid points and I made my valid points.  No one's mind is going to change. Let's just agree to disagree! Have a good day!

Pat I never said that Division III was automatically bad.  But by the same token, Division III is not automatically good either.  There are some very good aspects to the Division.  However, as with everything in life it is not the perfect eutopia as you and others seem to like to fantasize about.  Yes, I tend to point out a few shortcomings with some frequency.  Moreover, my view(s) may be or may not be narrow, but they are based upon my experiences and observations. I am not naive to think I would change your mind or any of my rabid followers minds   but it is good to challenge the status quo every now and then. Until we meet again Pat on another issue - have a great day!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2010, 12:47:50 AM
He doesn't because his claims are unsupportable. At least, I assume he would have posted them since he logged in after you guys responded to him.

Supporting facts would keep Wilburt in compliance with the board's Terms of Service.

Let me put it this way.  My claims are supportable based on informal conversations I have had with coaches and athletic department officials from Fisk, Lincoln, Stillman in recent years.  In addition I have even more informal discussions with alumni and/or athletic boosters in recent years from other D3 schools.  Yet I know that Pat feels that the only verification for him is in a press release or published news article.  For example, he did not believe that Fisk was going to the NAIA until the school issued a press release.  My word that the school was going to do so was not enough based on a letter from the school to alumni.     

1.  The verification of NCAA Division III scholarships is a relatively recent development. I am not sure of the timetable. Depending on how you count it could be from 1988, 2004, 2006 or 2008.  But there is no denying that until that time some schools circumvented the rules during Fisk tenure in the NCAA Division III from 1974-2008 -   unless you want to dispute the NCAA findings.   There may be an issue as to the degree but there is no issue that it has occurred. 

2.  With respect to unethical conduct to referenced, I will talk about that to you in a PM if you would like.  I don't want to further inflame anyone else on this board.

3.  With respect to "dodging and ostracizing" schools I was somewhat alluding to the GSAC and SCAC.  Maryville was shunned from membership in the SCAC on at least one occasion.  Rust continues to be shunned by a number of schools who do not want to play them for any number of reasons.  The same was true for Fisk while a member of the GSAC.  And of course Lincoln was shunned by many D3 eastern schools for a host of reasons.  Other schools may have their reasons for doing so (some real and some imagined), but it can get frustrating.     

4. With respect to the ratio of student athletes to the general enrollment, I have read on more than a few D3 collegiate websites that this was the case. For example  D3 member "Greenville College experienced a 30 percent increase in the number of student-athletes thanks in part to the successful launch of new junior varsity teams. There are 385 athletes on campus this year, and almost 50 percent of new students this fall are athletes." This is from a press release from the college released just this month!

Now the students may not continue to play sports all 4 years of college but other schools certainly fit that profile because it is a growing trend.

That's all for now....

Finally, I will say this to you Pat.  We have had an ongoing feud for a few years now.  When will it end?

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2010, 10:06:40 PM

Quote from: wilburt on October 15, 2010, 08:04:51 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2010, 03:15:28 PM

Quote from: wilburt on October 14, 2010, 07:54:24 AM
It seems that whenever I post on the d3hoops board I have a following of folks that appear to take a certain amount of glee in taking issue with my opinions and assertions and further glee in knocking down my points.

Probably because you really only show up here to run down Division III and you don't have a lot of facts to back up your assertions.

Thank you Pat for proving my point!  I love most of the aspects of NCAA Division III, but d3hoops.com and some of the posters  frequently leave a lot to be desired Pat.   Your main problem is that you don't seem to realize that there is a difference between the NCAA Division III and d3hoops.com.  Mark Emmert is the NCAA President not you!  Your word or opinion (as off the mark as it can be at times) is not the final say so even though you may think it is from time to time.

Wilburt -- no offense, but I don't think you know me one bit or have any idea what my problems are.

Do feel free to put some facts behind your screed next time you post rather than attacking me.

Stop attacking me Pat virtually everytime I post and this vitriolic exchange between us will stop!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2010, 03:15:28 PM

Quote from: wilburt on October 14, 2010, 07:54:24 AM
It seems that whenever I post on the d3hoops board I have a following of folks that appear to take a certain amount of glee in taking issue with my opinions and assertions and further glee in knocking down my points.

Probably because you really only show up here to run down Division III and you don't have a lot of facts to back up your assertions.

Thank you Pat for proving my point!  I love most of the aspects of NCAA Division III, but d3hoops.com and some of the posters  frequently leave a lot to be desired Pat.   Your main problem is that you don't seem to realize that there is a difference between the NCAA Division III and d3hoops.com.  Mark Emmert is the NCAA President not you!  Your word or opinion (as off the mark as it can be at times) is not the final say so even though you may think it is from time to time.

Reply to Gregory Sager in part:

1.  Fisk was an original member of the NCAA Division III back in 1974 along with Rust and LeMoyne Owen.
2.  Nobody mentioned any television deals but certain D3 schools in recent years were CLEARLY angling for  superconferences in D3 to keep (or acquire) automatic bids.  Get your head out of the sand.
3.  No sour grapes here and no need to shine the apple on Fisk's move to the NAIA. But what's good for Fisk may more than likely be good for Rust more than anyone else on this board cares to thinks!  

Again I wish Rust the best this upcoming season, and I look forward to the games with Fisk this season!  I wish you the best as well Gregory Sager!  This is very amusing to me. It seems that whenever I post on the d3hoops board I have a following of folks that appear to take a certain amount of glee in taking issue with my opinions and assertions and further glee in knocking down my points.   Perhaps this may be done to shine the apple on the glorious Division III  , or I may be the resident whipping boy, who knows, but I am sure that the GSAC discussions are very dull without my input in recent months!

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2010, 05:23:00 PM

Quote from: wilburt on October 13, 2010, 04:04:50 PM
One didn't have schools circumventing the non-athletic scholarship rules, by giving "leadership scholarships" and the like.

I'm going to have to call bull**** right here. There's no way it was less prevalent in the 1980s, without regulation, than it is now WITH regulation.

Okay whatever Pat!!!  I forgot when you were named the President of the NCAA Division III? 

Quote from: scottiedoug on October 13, 2010, 12:06:45 PM
I had Wilburt figured for a NCAA D3 kind of guy, until Fisk went NAIA.  Athletic scholarships and fewer requirements for the number and breadth of sports offered do not seem to fit Wilburt's demonstrated belief in the concept of student athletes and liberal arts education. 

Do I have it wrong, my friend? 

One has to move with the times, my friend.  I was a D3 athlete back in the 1980s when there truly was a concept of student-athletes in the d3.  Back then, one didn't have schools making strategic moves (sometimes unethical) to position themselves for super conferences like they do now.  One didn't dodge opponents or ostracize certain schools like they do now.  One didn't have schools circumventing the non-athletic scholarship rules, by giving "leadership scholarships" and the like.  One generally didn't have approximately one half of the student body as athletes as some current d3 schools do now.  I could go on and on, but this d3 is not your fathers d3!