Quote from: camosfan on November 12, 2025, 05:09:08 AMDon't think NCAA pays for more than 24 players, total party of 30?

You also have three coaches and two athletic trainers.

Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 10, 2025, 04:16:13 PMI'm really curious how this invites are handled? I'm also really curious how the teams accepting approach it.

I know personally, if you told me I got to play some more games, especially as a senior, I'd have been all over it.

We used to have to apply before the ncaa tournament. Taking it as a secondary approach in case you didn't make ncaa. Our college only would fund it if we made conference finals. You have to pay out of pocket unlike ncaa where the college is reimbursed for everything in manual.

Quote from: Kuiper on November 10, 2025, 09:49:12 AM

Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 09, 2025, 11:35:25 PMHmm, Trinity(TX) women are 17, which wouldn't normally get to host but there are three teams in Texas that need to play somewhere (Trinity, McMurry (82), Hardin-Simmons (57)) just like the men.  If women truly have priority it could upset the apple cart.  Will be interesting to see how the NCAA handles this tomorrow because either you let someone who really shouldn't host (like Hardin-Simmons in the women's case, TLU in the men's, ASSUMING EITHER SUBMITTED A BID) host or you are going to fly three teams somewhere.

Given the way the NCAA pinches pennies my bet is on the former option.

Can Texas Lutheran even host on campus given that their field is open access and can't easily prevent people from watching without paying?  They appeared to be the "host" of the SCAC Conference Championships in terms of hosting LiveStats etc, but they were held at the Round Rock complex, which is over an hour north of Texas Lutheran.

I think the year was '08 when I was at Medaille. We applied to host but our home field wasn't eligible at the time as there was no locker rooms (played at an off sight facility). We got a first round bye think there was only 60 teams that year. Anyways we played round of 32 game against Nazareth at University at Buffalo Football Stadium. They don't have Men's Soccer anymore- we played on the turf field but they also had a grass field outside the stadium.

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Quote from: Mr_November on November 06, 2025, 08:30:55 AMYork lose out after being defeated 2-1 by Stevenson. Stevenson will play Messiah in the MAC Final on Saturday. Anyone know if Stevenson has ever made the NCAA tournament?

Well, this was a fun distraction. The short answer is I don't know. But going back through 1995, the answer is "no, unless it happened before 1995."

They won the NEAC in 2005, going 11-0 in conference. But I guess that wasn't good enough to make the field.
In 2010, they won the ECAC championship and that, too, did not garner a bid.

It's a very feast or famine program, at least over the last 20 years. I highlighted a few of the better seasons above, but in most recent years: 4-10-5 in 2023 and 3-10-6 last year.

Making the conference finals is undoubtedly one of their better years in recent memory. Goes without saying that beating Messiah would be fairly unprecedented. 

Neac most likely didn't have enough teams for a bid putting them in pool B. Played at medaille in 02/03 and it was only 5 teams. They had moved to amcc a year or two after that. Don't think it was a few years until that conference got enough for an automatic bid via pool C.
Ecac is for the teams that don't make ncaa. That wouldn't have helped anyways.

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Quote from: EnmoreCat on October 21, 2025, 03:07:17 AMSort of relevant, sort of not:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/19/englands-under-21-leagues-are-filled-with-players-whose-clubs-see-no-future-for-them

Bottom line is that even at the top levels in England, it's a difficult pathway and these are players who are at the very best clubs.  The idea that lots of college players are going to progress to long, well paid professional careers is optimistic at best.  I am guessing the ones that don't progress in England are some of the same ones coming in as more mature players at the college level and who would be undoubtedly attractive to many coaches.

Happens all the time, club players overseas (England, Germany etc. ) just look at the top D1 clubs loaded with european players. I was told a few years ago some of the european clubs provide a list of available or soon to be available players so they can be scouted by american colleges.

In the D1 Final Four last year only 22% of minutes on the field were given to a player born in America. They had it on the broadcast.

Even in Junior College there is a pretty big international contingent for players. Usually close to a top team that I was most familiar with is Genesee CC in Western New York. International coach and has had some astounding player over the years. Won a few national championships.

I was at medaille college which is no longer in existence. Actually started when I had played in the neac when there was only five teams. Then moved few layers for the amcc. Towards last few years of the program they had moved to that conference as well. Ultimately winning it one year and making it to the tournament.

Quote from: SKUD on November 25, 2024, 07:20:34 PMWow I just learned the names of the 3 Schools I did not know existed. 

And Houghton hears a who

Houghton has a lot of money in the athletic department. Reason being is that Kim pegula is an alumni. Her and her husband own the Buffalo bills as well as Sabres too. If I remember correctly 4 million was donated. Means a very nice athletic field.
They were a transition program awhile back used to be in naia.

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Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 13, 2024, 10:15:13 AMYork?

This isn't really a tournament of the "first out" schools like the NIT might be in basketball.  You have to pay to be a member as a school and then decide to participate in this competition.  It's possible neither happened in this case. I just like the option of playing another game or two that might mean something, especially given how short the college season is already. 

If I remember correctly you have to apply before the ncaa tournament also since the field is announced just after. Our college would only pay for the trip if you had made your conference tournament finals that year. Nice to have games but still can be quite the expense.

I think you are right especially that the some colleges you have to pay for your own transportation, food, and lodging which is why they don't participate in it. It baffles my mind the amount of money that some of these colleges charge for tuition but can't put up a team that represents them in a positive way for a weekend. This happened at my school 30 years ago and it still going on today

We had played in it twice when I was coaching. I mean it was nice to be apart of and such to get some extra games. For us it was a disappointment to be playing in it. It meant we didn't make our major goal in getting to the ncaa tournament. Thankfully in my 8 years of coaching we only played in 2 of them and made 6 ncaa tournaments so it was much more good than bad.
You also have to remember it isn't always easy getting a bus and hotel on super short notice either for the amount of players on a team.
I do remember one ncaa tournament they couldn't even find us a bus the driver had to come from four hours away or something to even get us. In that instance ncaa ultimately reimbursed for the extra expense but ecac it's on the school/program.

Quote from: Mr_November on November 20, 2024, 07:34:40 AMJust perusing through the Buffalo State roster...they've got players from South Africa, Portugal, England, Wales, Italy...as for the rest of the players on their roster, if they aren't international they're from NY.

Stat leader, #10 Diego Rivera, is sitting pretty on 18 G, 8 A. He's had hat tricks against St. Aloysius and Oswego State.

Portuguese senior, #17 Manu Prieto, follows closely behind with 10 G, 17 A. Prieto had a hat trick vs Alfred and picked up a brace on 2 separate occasions. 4 assists vs Oswego State.

I had watched the conference championship game where they lost 3-1. It could've been 5-1 as cortland hit 4 posts and had the run of play all game. I also felt their third goal was a poor call.
In the buff state goal he made that out of nothing. It was 1 on 3. He cut from toward the sideline into the 3 players and put it in inside corner from about 20 yds out. Crafty player who plays with a lot of confidence. Just needs his one chance like he did against tufts.
Their center back is also a super player too. Super composed on the ball and walks up the field when he wants to.

Quote from: Kuiper on November 13, 2024, 10:53:15 AM

Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 13, 2024, 10:15:13 AMYork?

This isn't really a tournament of the "first out" schools like the NIT might be in basketball.  You have to pay to be a member as a school and then decide to participate in this competition.  It's possible neither happened in this case. I just like the option of playing another game or two that might mean something, especially given how short the college season is already. 

If I remember correctly you have to apply before the ncaa tournament also since the field is announced just after. Our college would only pay for the trip if you had made your conference tournament finals that year. Nice to have games but still can be quite the expense.

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Quote from: Kuiper on November 11, 2024, 02:43:40 PMI'll offer a few preliminary observations about the Region X pods (two of them, which is pretty rare):

They must have added then to it or changed it. Think last time I was involved with the tournament was 2013. That's what it was then anyways. We had a bigger team so we had to cut down. I remember being a part of them decisions.

Colorado College Pod

Colorado College gets to host for the first time in . . . ever?  They fly in three teams.  My guess is that the Committee decided to take advantage of the fact that the NCAA allocated more money for travel this year to make it up to CC for forcing them to travel to Atlanta last year. 

Having said that, Pacific Lutheran and CMS were going to fly somewhere no matter what given that they are more than 500 miles from any other NCAA tournament qualifier, so this isn't necessarily unusual.

Wonder if the NCAA will only pay for a limited no. of players/coaches.  From what is online, Bowdoin has 27 players and 2 coaches plus I'm sure some ADs will travel. Plane tickets so short notice will probably cost $1k, but I'm sure that the NCAA has some discount.

It's in the ncaa championship manual it's 22 players. 3 coaches and two athletic trainers.

No, Ron's right. Check out the appendix on page 10 of his "2024-25 NCAA Division III Championships Transportation and Per Diem Policies" link. It's spelled out right there in the chart: Men's soccer permits a 29-person travel party and a maximum of 24 players.

That same link is found on page 6 of the NCAA's 2024-25 Men's Soccer Prechampionships Manual for D3.

Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on November 11, 2024, 03:03:33 PM

Quote from: Kuiper on November 11, 2024, 02:43:40 PMI'll offer a few preliminary observations about the Region X pods (two of them, which is pretty rare):

Colorado College Pod

Colorado College gets to host for the first time in . . . ever?  They fly in three teams.  My guess is that the Committee decided to take advantage of the fact that the NCAA allocated more money for travel this year to make it up to CC for forcing them to travel to Atlanta last year. 

Having said that, Pacific Lutheran and CMS were going to fly somewhere no matter what given that they are more than 500 miles from any other NCAA tournament qualifier, so this isn't necessarily unusual.

Wonder if the NCAA will only pay for a limited no. of players/coaches.  From what is online, Bowdoin has 27 players and 2 coaches plus I'm sure some ADs will travel. Plane tickets so short notice will probably cost $1k, but I'm sure that the NCAA has some discount.

It's in the ncaa championship manual it's 22 players. 3 coaches and two athletic trainers.

Quote from: LibbyMoore on October 29, 2024, 09:37:48 AMCan anyone shed some light on the NCAA tournament (regional) hosting criteria? What does the host college have to offer to be picked for an early round regional hosting spot? thank you

It's in the ncaa championship manual on selection of host sights. It goes by a number of factors and not always being the best team or record. It's usually done in pods of four teams. At this level of investment a lot of times it may be the central location that's the easiest for the teams to get to as far as travel. Someone else will update it but there was a rule that anything over 500 miles is a flight compared to a bus.
Secondary factor is also if both men/women make the tournament and both want to host. There's a priority list that switches every year and in the tournament as well. First two rounds (round of 64/32) the men may have priority or the women. Then in round of 32/16 referred to as sectionals) the priority of hosts switches to the opposite. This is all covered in the ncaa championship manual. Actually liked going away myself as a coach and felt we were more focused as a team when we traveled.
NCAA reimburses for the day before to travel down and practice for the bus and hotel as well as meals. Makes it more of an event. Just my thoughts.

Quote from: nescac1 on October 23, 2024, 04:30:23 PMAhh, fair enough regarding Messiah.  Williams had a stretch like that around 2000 when it had by far the most talent in the country (like multiple future high level pros on the same team) and could absolutely dominate teams but had some simply crazy tournament results.  I should have remembered the Messiah team that Williams got past in PKs en route to the national title game in 2022 was right there with the loaded UChicago team that won and maybe even slightly better, certainly Williams was not the better team in that contest. 

York, pa was like that for a number of years even when messiah was winning numerous ncaa tournaments in a row and over a stretch. York was beating them every year in non conference matchups. They went like 70 games or something without a loss. When it came tournament time it was always a tie and lost on penalties that knocked them out. I see they're doing well again this year.

Quote from: Christan Shirk on November 06, 2023, 07:30:20 AM

Quote from: TMUJ on November 06, 2023, 12:28:06 AM
Does anyone have any information on the host site selection? I understand you must apply and have adequate resources to host three teams. But is ranking accounted for when selecting the host site?

2023 Division III Soccer Pre-Championships Manual


from page 25 . . .

Section 2.6  Site Selection

PROSPECTIVE HOSTS
Any institution or conference interested in hosting a preliminary round of the 2023 NCAA Division III Men's and/or Women's Soccer Championships must submit a proposed budget and a safety and security form, respond to sportspecific questions, and ensure the institution's key contact and facility information are up to date via the Championships Bid and Host Profile portal. Please note that in order to submit a bid, you must first locate the desired championship in the championships "Available for Bid" section and select "Start Bid." A separate proposed budget must be submitted for each round that an institution or conference is interested in hosting.

Member institutions can regularly and easily access their profiles by visiting championships.ncaa.org. For profile issues, user access or to reset a password, please email championshipbid@ncaa.org or contact the respective  championship manager.

The deadline to submit all materials for hosting preliminary rounds is Oct. 29 at 5 p.m. Eastern time.

CRITERIA
The Division III Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria for all championships:

• Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
• Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility and transportation costs);
• Seeding; and
• Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.

In addition, the soccer committees include the following site-selection deliberations:

• Preference is given to grass/grass-like surfaces; and
• The potential host must have played the majority of its home games on the field it is submitting for consideration.

A competing institution that cannot charge admission at its home facility and/or cannot establish a barrier to separate the spectators from the field of play, and/or does not have a field that meets minimum-size requirements (70 yards x 115 yards) may not serve as host.

An evaluation will be made of institutional facilities to determine if they are acceptable for championship play. Selection of host sites will be based partly upon the quality of the playing facility. A facility evaluation form must be completed online with a deadline of Oct. 29 at 5 p.m. Eastern time.


from page 26 & 27 . . .

JOINT HOSTING INFORMATION
The NCAA Division III Championships Committee has approved a recommendation from the NCAA Division III Men's and Women's Soccer Committees to establish hosting guidelines for institutions whose men's and women's teams earn berths in their respective championships. The committees established these guidelines to eliminate potential conflicts created by hosting both championship events, to assist institutions in preparing for hosting opportunities and to ensure the opportunity of providing a quality championship experience for all teams involved in both championships.

Institutions with both men's and women's teams in the championships will follow these hosting guidelines:

	1st/2nd Round	Sectionals
Even Years	Men host	Women host
Odd Years	Women host	Men host

If conflicts prevent another institution from hosting while following these guidelines, the combined men's and women's committees will determine which team will play first at the same site.

I will say the committee probably has a little leeway even though this is what the book says. Believe the year was 2007 we ended up hosting after getting a first round bye (there was 3 or 4 that year) so 60 team field. I was at medaille. Our home stadium was all high in Buffalo. Didn't have locker rooms at the time. We submitted for hosting and played the game at university at Buffalo (d1 at the time, no longer have men's soccer). We tied 2-2 and lost in the 20th shooter in penalties.