How far have Hop and F&M fallen??

Neither team had a player named to any of the 4 teams (47 players) on the 2025 United Soccer Coaches NCAA Division III Men's All-Region V

https://unitedsoccercoaches.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-NCAA-D3-Men-All-Region-Teams.pdf

People seem to forget sometimes, but seniors played their last games ever. They have played week after week for years and often worked very hard for theirs and their teams' legacies. They will always have those memories esp if they have post season games.

Some might go play in a rec league or a little better, but, basically, that's it. Coaches always have another game to coach. Coaches move on and seniors a stuck with it. Coaches always have their next season. Yeah I know some take over another program or decide not to coach, but, generally, coaches continue with the same program.

A game or two more with something on the line really means a lot to seniors.

ODAC and Landmark confs have a deal in football to play each other one extra game in two post season bowl games. 2nd and 3rd place finishers play each other. The teams that make the NCAAs obv do not play W&L played Lycoming in the Cape Charles Bowl which is a part of the Chesapeake Challenge. So they get an 11th game the weekend before Thanksgiving. Something for the seniors and the programs to hang their hat on.

A lot of good D1 games the next two days along with the games Kuiper mentioned.

Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 25, 2025, 01:57:32 PMCounterpoint, camo, is that COLLEGE soccer is different than what is watched all over the world in a few fundamental ways.

We've talked about the subbing.

And there is the weird way the clock is managed in college soccer.

I don't think tweaking the NPI formula (again, not a thing anywhere else in the world) would be such a radical move, for example.

I don't think taking players off is a great idea, because at 10v10 I think the difference is marginal and at 8v8, now you are asking guys to cover a TON more turf and we come back to player safety/attrition.

Time keeping in the NCAA is just crazy the way they do it. My x feed just pointed out that TCU women's score a tying goal against UNC with less than 9 seconds left. However, that should never had happened.

At about the 2 min level, the time keeper froze the clock for over 13 seconds. TCU would win in PKs and go to the quarters. Extreme example? Maybe, but just something that should never happen especially in the NCAA tournament. Those seniors are never getting that game back or that opportunity.

I think the NCAAs is the only place where the center ref does not keep the time. I did 18U games and below and had not problem keeping time.

I don't know much about college field hockey (completely non-existent out west) and hockey (non-existent out here beyond the mountain time zone other than Alaska and Arizona State), but I think they are 60 rather than 90 minute run times, although I could be wrong.

Yes 60 min (lacrosse and football too), but a lot of stopping and starting so most likely close to or over 90 min.

So a team like Haverford ended up 10-0-9 (lost last game on PK to the Muhls in the CC tournament) did not have a chance to win (or lose) almost half of their season and on top do not qual for the NCAA tourn. Spent the whole season unblemished, but end up 81st on the NPI.

FYI, field hockey (that is truly a dangerous sport, really), volleyball (best of 5 with extra points when tied at the end of each set), basketball, lacrosse (to the death), hockey!!!!, wrestling, football!!!!!!!!! etc, etc all go extra time/points in their games/matches to determine winners. Oh, yeah, baseball and softball play extra innings. Don't many of them have buses, planes, trains, boats, scooters, alpacas to catch??? Are soccer players just too dainty???

As to out west, they come a day early and they can have the game at 1 or 2 in the afternoon which most likely will leave enough time make an 8pm flight.

Some will say that these sports don't tie enough in reg. time. Oh, no, no, no, basketball, football and lacrosse maybe not, but goals are HUGE in fh and hockey.

Hockey and football CTE alert, but not enough injuries, future death, to not figure out a way to settle things. I would also argue that football, lacrosse, hockey, and, maybe, field hockey have equal or more injuries when compared to soccer. 

Yeah, I know it is the int'l way. Hah, we only play in the US.

If you are not bringing back extra time, make wins 4 pts and ramp up NPI for wins. Or maybe make ties .5 and continue wins 3 points. That'll make risk adverse coaches and players work harder in the 90 min. imo.

In baseball, they start with a man on second. Maybe in soccer have overtime with 10 v 10 in the first overtime and then 8 v 8 in the second?? That will cut down on over a bit??

Definitely - #BringBackOTandGoldenGoal

Huge mistake

From the studies I recall, soccer games should be scheduled no less than 6 days apart. Some say at least 72 hours is the minimum. All substantially more than 24 hours.

Quote from: Hopkins92 on November 25, 2025, 09:44:22 AM

Quote from: camosfan on November 24, 2025, 07:38:39 PM24 hours between games is reasonable at this level, when you have almost limitless substitution. These teams will be coming off two weeks rest.

But, it's not limitless. Saying "almost" isn't an accurate qualifier. I coached youth soccer... That's limitless.

If you were able to start a guy, pull him after 20 and then put him back in at 35-- and do the same thing in the second... That's "almost" limitless.

Not being able to bring a person back in after subbing them out during a half is limited subbing.

And we'll just agree to disagree about 24 hours being adequate time to recover.

Yeah, just funny how during the season they can't play an extra possible 20 min for "safety" reasons to give teams a chance to resolve ties using a golden goal. Yet during playoffs they play extra 20 min and another game 24 or less hours later.

If they were so concerned then they should go directly to PKs after 90 in NCAAs.

Agree Hop.

Go Terps (one daughter at MD along with another who graduated) despite Sasho going to the darkside, recruiting from an oversea catalog. FYI, UMD has the best college soccer fans.  They pack it pretty much every home game. Wouldn't be surprised if the place is not packed on Sat over Thanksgiving break.

Anybody watching the D1 tournament?? 1-3 seeds lost in the 2nd round (they had byes) to include last years winner, no. 1 seed Vermont in the snow to unseeded Hofstra 3-2. They would have lost Maryland if not for its really good German goalkeeper who made an English Premier PK at the end of the shootout to move on.

I know we've discussed this before, but first round was on Thursday at home for half and then on Sunday for 2nd round  FYI, Maryland if it wins all its games till semis, they play at home. 3rd round is on this upcoming Saturday/Sunday. Quarters on Friday/Saturday Dec. 5 or 6. and then semis on Friday Dec. 12. Final on Monday Dec. 15.

IMO, D3 is not taken seriously. 

Quote from: Mr_November on November 24, 2025, 10:50:32 AMCan't help but feel sorry for Dickinson, who end the season undefeated and bow out at the Elite 8. Iwowo and Jarden bow out after phenomenal collegiate careers for the Red Devils. Been a joy and a pleasure to watch them work their magic in Carlisle, PA.

Iwowo's Career Stats across 4 seasons...
86 GS, 82 GP - 53 Goals, 21 Assists. Astounding numbers...

Truly so. FYI, Dickinson was pretty much a punchline in the Cent. Conf. before they showed up plus don't forget Jorge Chapoy, who really got them moving! By his third year, he really made many of us look at Dickinson as a rising power. Also Potter who was their keeper played great all year. Most of us did not give them much credit till their run in the NCAAs last year.

33-4-11 over the last two years.

Obviously, question will be if they can continue with these guys who graduate.

Amherst I believe.  Plus a 6 year career.  Really made it weird though when gave Dickinson so much credit in the interview after the game. Just weird.

It is what it is. Dickinson just couldn't figure it out. So it goes.  Finished undefeated though.

Quote from: Sandon Mibut on November 23, 2025, 09:59:52 AMMy uneducated and highly biased predictions

Tufts
St Olaf
Augsburg
Dickinson

Seems like the NPI did alright except for Dickinson (22) and Wheaton (21). Don't know much about Wheaton, but I would think most do not think that the Red Devils played above their heads its way here. Though having not seen Emory (5), I think it is a pretty even match today at least on paper.

Interesting enough, Dickinson has played three more games than Emory (2 due to the CC tournament). Dickinson has allowed 8 goals with not allowing one in 6 games. Emory has only allowed 13 goals which is really good as well.

So could be a defensive battle.

Quote from: Kuiper on November 22, 2025, 03:01:53 PMFINAL:  Dickinson 1 - Lynchburg 0

Tight game, but Dickinson defense proves that they are underrated and may be the strength of the team

Definitely, just checked - Dickinson has not allowed a goal in 6 games. That includes 3 NCAA games and 2 CC tournament games. They tied McDaniel 1-1 back on Oct. 25. Lynchburg until this game had scored 66 goals (3 per game).