Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 16, 2025, 02:39:54 PM

Quote from: lumbercat on October 15, 2025, 07:59:20 PMTrin 9-0
Based on wins and losses I won't deny he's an outstanding coach and I never have.

However, I don't change my contention that he has advantages at Trinity he wouldn't have anywhere else in the NESCAC. If he switched places with Mills or any of the others he would not fare as well in those programs.

Can you see Devanney at Amherst in the past few years when the Amherst administration tightened up significantly on admissions and the whole institution provided very little Football support? Or lets place him at Williuams after Whalen left, He would have no idea how to navigate those circumstances.

He's achieved a fine record at Trinity and deserves a great deal of credit though he's clearly the last guy on the list of coaches I named. He will probably retire from Trinity. One of the best jobs in all of D3 and maybe beyond.

I don't know lumber, that just seems like such an odd take to say that Devanney is one of the four best coaches you've ever seen in the NESCAC while at the same time saying he'd only be successful at Trinity.

Also, it's pretty clear that Mills himself couldn't navigate Amherst during the years you referenced (averaging 3.4 wins the last 5 seasons). But somehow in this hypothetical scenario Devanney would be a exposed as a bad coach if struggled the exact same way Mills did? I'm having trouble following your logic.

Trin 90

You're twisting my comments here to continue this years old debate. You've grown a set of rabbit ears on this topic over the years.

I said Devanney is one of the best coaches Ive seen in the NESCAC based on a great W-L record.
Never said he "would only be successful at Trinity". That's just incorrect. I said I would place him at the bottom of the list compared with other coaches I named.
I also said I don't believe he would be as successful as coaches like Mills and Farley in those respective programs. You'll never acknowledge that the Football program at Trinity has some advantages that don't exist at other NESCAC schools.
 

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Quote from: Freddyfud on October 16, 2025, 04:04:31 PMThis just seems like endless competing interests.  US Soccer, the arms race that is now MLS vs USL, coaches...everyone with a financial interest it seems.  One notable group seems to be absent from all of these discussions though.  The students.

Maybe student athletes are perfectly fine just enjoying playing NCAA in the fall and USL2 or other club teams in the summer as they do today?  All while knowing they will earn a degree?

Interesting but I would suspect that is a mixed answer - for D1 players its an easier path to USL2 spots - IMO club soccer over the summer is clumsy at best outside a couple of teams in each region so spots are premium and limited......

Most clubs are done over summer unless they are in playoffs. USL2 and s definitely the route to go- my son played on a USL2 last summer as a  rising HS senior so most D1, 2 and 3 players should be able to find spots relatively easily.

maybe regional but USL2 rosters and playing time vs USLA and USL2 reserve teams are completely different things in the NY/NJ area.....

They are losing half their rebounding to graduation and other things if I read that correctly.

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Quote from: Freddyfud on October 16, 2025, 04:04:31 PMThis just seems like endless competing interests.  US Soccer, the arms race that is now MLS vs USL, coaches...everyone with a financial interest it seems.  One notable group seems to be absent from all of these discussions though.  The students.

Maybe student athletes are perfectly fine just enjoying playing NCAA in the fall and USL2 or other club teams in the summer as they do today?  All while knowing they will earn a degree?

Interesting but I would suspect that is a mixed answer - for D1 players its an easier path to USL2 spots - IMO club soccer over the summer is clumsy at best outside a couple of teams in each region so spots are premium and limited......

Most clubs are done over summer unless they are in playoffs. USL2 and s definitely the route to go- my son played on a USL2 last summer as a  rising HS senior so most D1, 2 and 3 players should be able to find spots relatively easily.

Quote from: DuffMan on Yesterday at 09:39:32 AMIt seems like eons ago, but I guess it was only 2014, when I was wondering if Fasching had forgotten about the forward pass. 

2014 Johnnies
584 rushing attempts for 2674 yards (223 YPG rushing, 49 rushing attempts per game)
119 for 206 passing for 1525 yards (127 YPG passing, 17 passing attempts per game)

Compared to 2025:
337 rushing attempts for 1483 yards (124 YPG rushing, 28 rushing attempts per game)
350 for 474 passing for 4563 yards (380 YPG passing, 40 passing attempts per game)

I think we've got guys that can run the ball. It's my opinion (as my actual football knowledge could fit in thimble)...that we emphasize passing so much and don't really have a strong run blocking scheme. What's crazy is during Heckendorf's senior year as a receiver at NDSU his team averaged 199.9 rushing ypg and 184.4 passing ypg. I guess being a receiver pass first is the way it's going to go.

It seems like eons ago, but I guess it was only 2014, when I was wondering if Fasching had forgotten about the forward pass. 

2014 Johnnies
584 rushing attempts for 2674 yards (223 YPG rushing, 49 rushing attempts per game)
119 for 206 passing for 1525 yards (127 YPG passing, 17 passing attempts per game)

Compared to 2025:
337 rushing attempts for 1483 yards (124 YPG rushing, 28 rushing attempts per game)
350 for 474 passing for 4563 yards (380 YPG passing, 40 passing attempts per game)

Quote from: Freddyfud on October 16, 2025, 04:04:31 PMThis just seems like endless competing interests.  US Soccer, the arms race that is now MLS vs USL, coaches...everyone with a financial interest it seems.  One notable group seems to be absent from all of these discussions though.  The students.

Maybe student athletes are perfectly fine just enjoying playing NCAA in the fall and USL2 or other club teams in the summer as they do today?  All while knowing they will earn a degree?

Interesting but I would suspect that is a mixed answer - for D1 players its an easier path to USL2 spots - IMO club soccer over the summer is clumsy at best outside a couple of teams in each region so spots are premium and limited......

Yes. The defense is stout. But as Italy has proven time and again, soccer is way too capricious to win on defense alone.

Take out Reagent and W&L scored 14 goals in 12 games. There is no margin for error in that defense.

Quote from: OUVan59 on October 16, 2025, 01:11:17 PMLandmark Conference Returning Minutes*:

With teams releasing their schedules and rosters decided to determine what percentage of production each team has returning this year.

Minutes
Lycoming - 84.81%
Elizabethtown - 72.52%
Juniata - 70.38%
Wilkes - 70.18%
Moravian - 69.62%
Goucher - 68.15%
Susquehanna - 60.77%
Catholic - 55.01%
Scranton - 51.04%
Drew - 48.21%

Points
Lycoming - 82.26%
Moravian - 77.41%
Wilkes - 73.41%
Juniata - 72.73%
Elizabethtown - 71.00%
Susquehanna - 63.71%
Goucher - 62.42%
Catholic - 55.59%
Scranton - 51.41%
Drew - 41.63%

Rebounds
Lycoming - 84.94%
Juniata - 80.24%
Wilkes - 77.53%
Elizabethtown - 75.29%
Moravian - 73.72%
Susquehanna - 73.21%
Goucher - 61.41%
Catholic - 59.70%
Drew - 59.17%
Scranton - 57.60%

*A few teams (Elizabethtown, Moravian, Drew, Goucher, Lycoming) haven't released their rosters yet so had to speculate. Drew hasn't released their roster on their site but they did post it on Instagram a while back and these calculations are based on that. That's where it was noted that Taylor Perlmutter had transferred from Moravian to Drew.

Can't believe Scranton's rebounding is that high. I had it in my head somewhere around 0.00004%

Look at the season rushing leaders and tell me why a really, really good running back would want to come to or transfer to SJU?
From my count 3 running backs have cracked the 1,000 mark 5 times in the last 25+ years.

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/gojohnnies.com/documents/2025/7/3/SJU_Football_Annual_Statistical_Leaders_Since_1972.pdf

I get it that it's tough to hit the 1,000 yard mark when in half your games you might only play half the game. I just wonder how many yards Sam Sura would run for in this offense.