Jamestown College considers staying in NAIA, move to NCAA D-III

[Pat Coleman]

Oh I understand your sites...you have every right to run it however you like, I am just stating the way I see it.  Plus, several of the posters took a couple of "little shots" at me, which is ok, but they were also defending the honor of D3. I thought had the right to at least share my thoughts.

If you want to censor me from this site, that is not a problem with me.

I get that that's the way you see it. But clearly you either aren't looking at the sites, you don't understand journalism, or both.

You're taking shots, I guess it's not surprising that others are firing back.

[radiodavel]

I understand...it is ok for them (and you) to fire back at me, but I should be watching what I say..sounds fair to me...

[Pat Coleman]

When you go to your third or fourth attempt to convince people that we were wrong to omit linking to a factually incorrect story, I think you get what you get in terms of a response. At that point you're just trolling.

[Ron Boerger]

Methinks, Mr. Radiodavel, that you should look up what a 'censor' does.   Failure to provide a link to an article containing factual errors does not equate to censorship.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body.

The Jamestown newspaper's ability to spread incorrect information regarding Division III (along with the rest of the story) was in no way harmed by any action, actual or alleged, taken by the owners of this site.   The article's continued availability was never in doubt.

If you want to throw around loaded terms trying to make a point, please be sure they actually apply.   The very fact that Pat allows you to continue to post here is a further indication that there's no 'censorship' going on.   

[Gregory Sager]

Oh I understand your sites...you have every right to run it however you like, I am just stating the way I see it.

Dave, it seems to me that Pat has pretty effectively refuted "the way you see it." You claimed that he was a D3 cheerleader who, like that NAIA site you mentioned, would not pass along negative stories about the division. The links in his 2:44 post prove you wrong. And as for whether or not d3sports.com should've linked to the Jamestown Sun article, that's a matter of opinion. I think that Pat's opinion is right: Accuracy is everything when it comes to journalism. A name spelled incorrectly, or an article that's written inelegantly or is filled with typos ... that's something that the reader can wade through. But a factual error, particularly a factual error upon which the entire story hinges? That's misinformation. It deceives the reader, and it tars the linking site via guilt by association.

Plus, several of the posters took a couple of "little shots" at me, which is ok, but they were also defending the honor of D3. I thought had the right to at least share my thoughts.

You speak of our defensiveness and our "going ballistic" whenever D3 competition is impugned by outsiders. I think that you misunderstand us. We are all aware, every one of us, that D3 has an image problem. I spoke about it yesterday, and it's worth adding that the NCAA has done precious little to combat that image problem.

But what chaps the hide of D3 fans isn't the denigrating comments about the level of competition in this division. It's the denigrating comments that are made in ignorance. If someone who has never seen a D3 game attends one and says, "Sorry, but this just doesn't entertain me. This game wasn't played well enough to make it worth my while to see any more D3 games" -- and I have sat in the stands by people who've said that -- then that's fine. At least they speak from experience. It's the people who don't know anything about the level, whose entire knowledge base of D3 is based upon rumor, sports-culture folklore, and blind inference, that bother me and cause me to speak out.

I also am very familiar with GC, they are a D1 member and have a very successful program.

The NAIA is only divided into divisions in two sports, men's basketball and women's basketball. In every sport besides those two, the NAIA is a unitary body.

If you want to censor me from this site, that is not a problem with me.

I think that you're greatly underestimating Pat's forbearance. He's put up with much, much worse than this. Plus, the issues over which you're locking horns with him are substantive, relevant, and above-board. This is a useful conversation being conducted by grown-ups, and that's exactly the kind of thing that this site was set up to accommodate.

I don't have any issues with you, Dave. As I've said before, I like what you do on your site. You're a good clearinghouse for small-college sports information. But Pat is a different kind of gatekeeper than you are, a more discriminating one. All things considered, given the mission of the d3sports.com sites, I think that he has to be.

[scottiedoug]

Gregory Sager makes an accurate and important observation:  "This is a useful conversation being conducted by grown-ups, and that's exactly the kind of thing that this site was set up to accommodate."

That is why I read this site.

It's not like there are not lots of different ways to practice journalism...watched Fox News lately? Fortunately, nobody gets to tell me which efforts to pay attention to.

[Ron Boerger]

Looks like Mr. Radiodavel wasn't interested in useful, grown-up conversations.  Buh-bye.

[cold_case]

Gregory Sager makes an accurate and important observation:  "This is a useful conversation being conducted by grown-ups, and that's exactly the kind of thing that this site was set up to accommodate."

That is why I read this site.

It's not like there are not lots of different ways to practice journalism...watched Fox News lately? Fortunately, nobody gets to tell me which efforts to pay attention to.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Fox owned by the King of Yellow Journalism, Rupert Murdoch?
He's the opposite of the NY Times, you know, "All the news that's fit to print?"

[cold_case]

It also sounds like Dave is still trying to impress upon us that he's a bastion of Journalistic integrity!