2025 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

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SierraFD3soccer

Don't know much about this program, but going to be down another next season.

Seemed like it was pretty decent.

https://southwestregionalpublishing.com/2025/11/04/trinity-christian-college-to-close-after-66-years/

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They are members of the NAIA and National Christian College Athletic Association.  They compete in the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference. 

Falconer

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Quote from: Ejay on September 22, 2025, 08:51:03 PMThey've advanced out of the first round of the tournament every year since 2016. How has the game changed from 2021 when they were in the Elite 8? What does he need to be doing differently to keep up with the world's changes? All you've offered is that he didn't adjust the shape and scheme to support McDonald in his 5th year, the same year they went 20-1-1 and McDonald earned his 2nd All-American nod.
The biggest difference between 2022 and 2023 was the loss to graduation of the best playmaker in D3, Luke Groothoff. (If not for major injuries, IMO Luke would have been a 4-time AA. One of the three or four best all-around players in Messiah's history. Nationally there was no one close to him as a playmaker his senior year.) Not to mention another down-the-spine player, Trevor Swartz. They ensured that McDonald was fed often and well.

Falconer

Quote from: Footy on September 20, 2025, 12:55:24 PMThe magic  of Dave Brandt is gone, and McCarty has simply been running his playbook for years. The problem is that this playbook was largely succesful because Messiah simply out recruited everyone.  With the parity increasing in D3 soccer, McCarty is showing his weakness as a coach, and his inability to adapt.  Messiah has always been predictable, but in the past, it didn't matter, as their personnel was simply better. Not the case anymore.  They should still be able to handle a very non competitive Mac Commonwealth, but I think the national power is fading.....They only lost 3-4 starters from last season, and haven't seen to be able to adjust. The freshman seem to have potential- but McCarty is going to need to show an ability to field a team based on talent and his opponent verses running the only game plan he seems to know.

This insightful commentary pretty much sums it up. ....

WHAT? You can't be serious. You're telling me now that Messiah beat Hobart in Geneva, in a tournament game? And outplayed them? Should've been 3-0? Check your information again, please. Everyone knows that McCarty is a one-trick-pony who can't adjust his tactics when his teams are no longer more talented than everyone else. And, they just aren't very talented any more, are they? Footy is right: They're actually lackluster teams that will never win big games anymore.

I look forward to more wisdom from this learned observer.
 

Hopkins92

To be fair, Hobart probably should've put one in the net during that sequence in the second half. ;-)

Falconer

Quote from: Hopkins92 on Today at 02:49:29 PMTo be fair, Hobart probably should've put one in the net during that sequence in the second half. ;-)
Agreed.

And to be fair, Messiah had an early goal called back perhaps a minute later on what appeared to be a questionable foul call; later in regulation, Messiah hit the post; and then Messiah dominated and ended the brief OT with a lovely goal. Patty Lee hit a very tough shot, but he sometimes makes those. They're in his repertoire.

Hopkins92

Quote from: Falconer on Today at 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: Hopkins92 on Today at 02:49:29 PMTo be fair, Hobart probably should've put one in the net during that sequence in the second half. ;-)
Agreed.

And to be fair, Messiah had an early goal called back perhaps a minute later on what appeared to be a questionable foul call; later in regulation, Messiah hit the post; and then Messiah dominated and ended the brief OT with a lovely goal. Patty Lee hit a very tough shot, but he sometimes makes those. They're in his repertoire.

:-) If you followed the thread, you'd see where I'm coming from re: Messiah. (mucho respecto)

There was another goal in the second for Messiah that got called back. DEFININETLY not offsides (AR flag never wavered) and I rewatched the play 5 times and I couldn't understand the call. A Hobart player went down on the play, but if anything a Falcon may have come together but it was incidental and way off the ball.

Hopkins92

But, to be fair (again), the camera was zoomed so far out that it was pretty hard to really see what the contact was/wasn't.

Falconer

Quote from: Hopkins92 on Today at 03:08:49 PM:-) If you followed the thread, you'd see where I'm coming from re: Messiah. (mucho respecto)
I have been following, Hopkins, despite an extended silence this year. Your respect is returned. I won't dwell on my absence, except to say that this fall I lost my best friend to cancer, after a year-long battle that went downhill fast just as the soccer season was starting. He was a D3 fan as well. It was hard for me even to watch, let alone to watch a team I cared about play so poorly.

As many have noted, a lot of traditional automatic tourney teams didn't get it done this year, and for several weeks I honestly thought Messiah would be in that category too. Their defensive play in the first few weeks was terrible, not to put a fine point on it. They gave up easy goal after easy goal--basically own goals even though the last foot on the ball was an opponent's. Now, there were a couple I can't blame them for. For example, a guy from MW slammed one into the upper RH corner from way out, just an inch over the reach of the Falcon GK.

I thought I was watching a replay of the dreadful 2015 season, when the Falcons had to rebuild completely and the defense was awful for weeks. The bright spot of that 2015 season, however, was that there were 3 FR who had been regional HS AAs. Two of them became D3 AAs--Samuel Ruiz Plaza (who's career ending injury right before playing Rochester in the 2018 tournament pretty much sealed the deal) and Nick West (I needn't say more about him). This year, the bright spot is again the FR class. Two regional HS AAs--defender Zach Buys, who played HS less than an hour from Hobart, and striker Ethan Quadrini (who played HS near Albany). A different two FR started most of the second half of this season, including today: Jalen Keller, a tall, fast MF who played HS in MD about an hour from Grantham, and Jack Marcantonio, also from MD, who beat out a couple other FR to start at CB. He also plays left back. He's fast, great with the ball and tough in the air. IMO, he could turn out to be another one of those players that McCarty ends up moving from back to front. Time will tell. He's more needed right now in the back.

Anyway, it really is a loaded FR class. In two of the few games I did get to attend in person, mid-season games, McCarty was playing 4 or 5 FR at once in games that were either tied or the Falcons were up by just one goal. That says a lot about what he has in that group.