NESCAC

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MunnyTim

Quote from: Bucket on November 11, 2026, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 11, 2026, 11:54:03 AMAll conference teams out.  Stunned that Williams, the top overall seed in the NCAA tourney, only has one all-league player (meanwhile Trinity has three?). In particular, I don't understand how Jake Farmer, who was a rock all year, didn't make it at D.  The Ephs are very balanced so I understand having only one (well-deserving) offensive player, but Darrell at GK, Ruehlmann at F, and Appleton at ROTY were other guys who at least warranted consideration. 

Or, if the talent really was so deficient relative to say Bowdoin (five all league players) maybe the coaching staff should have been honored! 

Conn's an even better comparison: Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, 3 first-team selections, and 5 total—all to finish...4th?

Just chiming in that Conn was two second half disallowed goals (one against Bates, the other against Bowdoin) from finishing top of the table this year...  Top five were within four points of each other.  One or two bounces (or calls) and any of those top 5 could have finished first in the regular season.

Sandon Mibut

NESCAC results in non-conference play totals 42-1-8.

Colby: 3-0-2
Trinity: 4-0-0
Bates: 3-1-1
Wesleyan: 4-0-1
Amherst: 5-0-0
Hamilton: 3-0-1
Bowdoin: 3-0-2
Tufts: 4-0-1
Conn: 5-0-0
Midd: 4-0-0
Williams: 4-0-0

The "bottom half" of NESCAC (ranks 6-11) are 23-1-4 in non-conference games.

And bottom 3 are 10-1-3. If one team had an entire season that matches the opponents & results of these 3 non-conference schedules (Bates, Trinity, Colby), that hypothetical team would have an NPI of 56.4 for an NPI rank of #31.

Opponents of Bates, Trinity and Colby:
#25 loss 48.1
#31 tie 56.4 (half loss + half win)
#85 win 60.5
#143 win 59.1
#146 win 59.0
#161 win 58.4
#161 tie 25.5 (half loss / throwaway the half win)
#164 win 58.3
#174 win 58.2
#202 win 57.7
#205 tie 25.1 (half loss / throwaway the half win)
#275 win 55.8
#288 win 55.4
#288 win 55.4

10.5 wins, 2.5 losses
* IDK jack about soccer. I cheer for Tufts, Middlebury and Upstate NY teams and I enjoy crunching numbers

wesleyansuperfan20

Quote from: MunnyTim on November 11, 2026, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: Bucket on November 11, 2026, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 11, 2026, 11:54:03 AMAll conference teams out.  Stunned that Williams, the top overall seed in the NCAA tourney, only has one all-league player (meanwhile Trinity has three?). In particular, I don't understand how Jake Farmer, who was a rock all year, didn't make it at D.  The Ephs are very balanced so I understand having only one (well-deserving) offensive player, but Darrell at GK, Ruehlmann at F, and Appleton at ROTY were other guys who at least warranted consideration. 

Or, if the talent really was so deficient relative to say Bowdoin (five all league players) maybe the coaching staff should have been honored! 

Conn's an even better comparison: Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, 3 first-team selections, and 5 total—all to finish...4th?

Just chiming in that Conn was two second half disallowed goals (one against Bates, the other against Bowdoin) from finishing top of the table this year...  Top five were within four points of each other.  One or two bounces (or calls) and any of those top 5 could have finished first in the regular season.

I'd agree with Bucket and nescac1. Though I'm biased towards Wes, I'm a bit surprised at the number of selections this year given their position in the table and a first round loss in the NESCAC playoffs... and yet, they had multiple honorees across the teams. That's not to say the players aren't deserving... but should Williams not have more?

Another one that stuck out was the Co-Coaching Staff of the Year selections, awarded to Hamilton and Middlebury. I can see the argument for Hamilton - that's a team that finished at the bottom of the table last season, missing out on playoffs, who now goes into the NCAA Tournament as a top 10 team in the country with a NESCAC-semifinal loss in penalties to the reigning national champions. But, Middlebury? Don't get me wrong, it's hard to overlook their success in recent years, but that's precisely my point. Middlebury, a team usually at the top of the conference, lost in 90' in the NESCAC quarterfinals. Does this really make their staff deserving of this award? It feels like the committee just couldn't handle not giving something to Midd.

Bucket

Quote from: wesleyansuperfan20 on Yesterday at 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: MunnyTim on November 11, 2026, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: Bucket on November 11, 2026, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: nescac1 on November 11, 2026, 11:54:03 AMAll conference teams out.  Stunned that Williams, the top overall seed in the NCAA tourney, only has one all-league player (meanwhile Trinity has three?). In particular, I don't understand how Jake Farmer, who was a rock all year, didn't make it at D.  The Ephs are very balanced so I understand having only one (well-deserving) offensive player, but Darrell at GK, Ruehlmann at F, and Appleton at ROTY were other guys who at least warranted consideration. 

Or, if the talent really was so deficient relative to say Bowdoin (five all league players) maybe the coaching staff should have been honored! 

Conn's an even better comparison: Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, 3 first-team selections, and 5 total—all to finish...4th?

Just chiming in that Conn was two second half disallowed goals (one against Bates, the other against Bowdoin) from finishing top of the table this year...  Top five were within four points of each other.  One or two bounces (or calls) and any of those top 5 could have finished first in the regular season.

I'd agree with Bucket and nescac1. Though I'm biased towards Wes, I'm a bit surprised at the number of selections this year given their position in the table and a first round loss in the NESCAC playoffs... and yet, they had multiple honorees across the teams. That's not to say the players aren't deserving... but should Williams not have more?

Another one that stuck out was the Co-Coaching Staff of the Year selections, awarded to Hamilton and Middlebury. I can see the argument for Hamilton - that's a team that finished at the bottom of the table last season, missing out on playoffs, who now goes into the NCAA Tournament as a top 10 team in the country with a NESCAC-semifinal loss in penalties to the reigning national champions. But, Middlebury? Don't get me wrong, it's hard to overlook their success in recent years, but that's precisely my point. Middlebury, a team usually at the top of the conference, lost in 90' in the NESCAC quarterfinals. Does this really make their staff deserving of this award? It feels like the committee just couldn't handle not giving something to Midd.

Finishing top of the table has to be worth something, no?

Seasonal awards are not awards for how a team does in post-season tournament.