FB: Region 3 fan poll

[Pat Coleman]

HSC beats W&J by 7 at home; W&J crushes #18 Grove City on the road.

Result?
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�HSC ranked 23rd and W&J gets 2 total votes. Week 4 ATN bias?

Similarly, people like to complain when teams that are 1-2 get votes or get ranked, so there's no pleasing everyone.

[MCScots2013]

So, we agree there is an early season bias?

I'm not saying HSC shouldn't be in the discussion of being a ranked team, but Macon loses an early season game and folks seem to feel the need to find another ODAC team to fill in the void. I'm not impressed with DelVal's or Shenandoah's resume—let's not even begin to discuss Guilford. Central is a good ball team and a 10-0 loss all the way in Iowa doesn't seem too terrible now.

[Ralph Turner]

Week #4

1) TUTX 30 points  (1,1,1,2,5)
2) HSU  27 points  (2,2,3,3,3)
3) H-SC  23 points  (1,2,2,4,x)
4T) UMHB 17 points (1,3,4,6,7)
4T) Berry 17 points (4,4,4,5,6)
6) RMC    11 points  (3,5,7,7,7)
7) Maryville  10 points (5,5,6,6,x)

RV Centre  2  (6,x,x,x,x)
RV Bridgewater 1 (7,x,x,x,x)


Just my opinion, but I think that Bornpowerindex still has too much built in data to keep the indices of 2025 teams from bursting from past performances. Also, I believe that UMHB is getting much support from its non-D3 opponents, Hampden-Sydney is still carrying the burden of the previous season(s). Bornpowerindex is my 5th ballot. Any takers?

[MCScots2013]

I'll jump in next week. I did the South Region and Top 25 Fan Poll back before Covid under my old handle.

SAA has 4 teams RV for 7 spots. Oct 11 has Maryville/Centre and Berry/Trinity lined up. Maryville doesn't play @ Berry and vs Trinity until the last two weeks. Of course The Game bookends the season too and will probably be de facto ODAC Championship Game.

[Cowboy2]

Week #4

1) TUTX 30 points  (1,1,1,2,5)
2) HSU  27 points  (2,2,3,3,3)
3) H-SC  23 points  (1,2,2,4,x)
4T) UMHB 17 points (1,3,4,6,7)
4T) Berry 17 points (4,4,4,5,6)
6) RMC    11 points  (3,5,7,7,7)
7) Maryville  10 points (5,5,6,6,x)

RV Centre  2  (6,x,x,x,x)
RV Bridgewater 1 (7,x,x,x,x)


Just my opinion, but I think that Bornpowerindex still has too much built in data to keep the indices of 2025 teams from bursting from past performances. Also, I believe that UMHB is getting much support from its non-D3 opponents, Hampden-Sydney is still carrying the burden of the previous season(s). Bornpowerindex is my 5th ballot. Any takers?

I had the same teams in a similar order. Would be awesome to get a few more R3 voters on board to see their input on placement...Should be a fun conference schedule for all the leagues in R3. I've really enjoyed seeing the Region as a whole have a lot of teams on the national stage being recognized with D3 votes!

[Ralph Turner]

Week #5

#1   HSU  30 points (1,2,2,2,3)
#2   Trinity 29 points  (1,1,1,2,5)
#3   UMHB  24 points (1,3,3,4,5)
#4  Berry  23 points (2,3,3,4,4)
#5  Randy Mac 14 points (3,5,5,6,7)
#6  Maryville TN 12 points (4,5,5,6,x)
#7  H-SC       4 (6,6,x,x,x)

RV ETBU       3 (7,7,7,x,x)
RV W&L        3  (5,x,x,x,x)
RV Centre     1 (7,x,x,x,x)


Thanks to HansenRatings, Hawks, MCScots2013,  Bornpowerindex

[MCScots2013]

Interesting both Trinity and UMHB got 1's and 5's.

[Ron Boerger]

Born Power is responsible for Trinity's 5; it has UMHB-HSU-RMC-Berry-Trinity. 
Hansen goes Trinity-HSU-UMHB-Berry-Maryville (but the top three are very close, ranked 13,14,16 overall)

This weekend will help us sort out UMHB-HSU and Trinity-Berry.

[Ralph Turner]

Bill Born of the Bornpowerindex died in the offseason. (Thx to mr mom who informed me.)

I started the ASC Pick'ems board in 2002. Over the next 2+ decades I used the Bornpowerindex as one of the contestants in the Pick'ems. Bornpowerindex won it 4 times. We never met in person but he was always cordial and prompt with email correspondence. No one has picked up the index, to date. I know I will miss compiling his picks.

Condolences to his family.

[Cowboy2]

Welp D3 voters dumped both UMHB and Trinity from the Top 25 rankings today.

[MCScots2013]

I understand that the rankings are averages from multiple voters (obviously), but I sort of feel like dropping Trinity from 16th to unranked and then only taking Berry from barely outside the top 25 to 22nd seems a little off. Looks like there were several knee-jerk reactions. I would have thought Trinity would be 24th or 25th and Berry safely in the top 20. Having such a large division like ours definitely gives the feel of the "what have you done for me lately" when a ranked team loses.

[D3Navy]

Hate to say it as a Trinity fan but they don't belong in the top 25.   They were dominated by Berry in every facet of play. 

[MCScots2013]

I'm no Berry apologist, but they also took Carnegie Mellon to the wire in Pittsburgh without their senior multi year starting QB and that same CMU team almost upset Johns Hopkins in Baltimore.

[Cowboy2]

I'm no Berry apologist, but they also took Carnegie Mellon to the wire in Pittsburgh without their senior multi year starting QB and that same CMU team almost upset Johns Hopkins in Baltimore.

Berry didn't look that great that game. Neither did CMU. CMU had a big box on defense. Berry never really made plays too, and it was a tight game. CMU blew the Hopkins game this week. What would have happened if they hung on? Where would voters put Berry?

Trinity is loaded with underclassmen all over the field in each of the three phases. I think they got rattled first half on stalled drives, and just didn't adjust against Berry... But to be dropped out of the top 25 shows some bias on voters. 240+ teams and I doubt half of them watch as many games as some of us do. Cant look at the box scores. You need to turn on the film. Why didn't Hopkins fall from #3?

I still think Trinity and UMHB would be two teams that no one would want to face in the first round of playoffs. Prime example and evidence was last years playoffs when UMHB showed anything can happen.

However, currently Trinity is still top 20 in the country on NPI, and that's all that matters. UMHB doesn't have a lot of options on dropping games to help NPI due to double headers and OOC non D3 teams.
https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/46111

Still halfway through the season but the SAA has a good chance of getting three teams in the playoffs if the top 3 all finish out well depending on how the head to head games play out. Also the WIAC is beating up on each other and shuffling rankings, but NPI is what gets team into playoffs, not Top 25 votes.

Lot of ball left to play. CMU needs to win their conference.