University Athletic Association

[DagarmanSpartan]

BDTartan,

Well, BD, this may come as a complete and total shock to you, but my happiness doesn't exactly depend upon how you or any other particular person views my posts.

As long as my posts don't violate any posting guidelines, I'll continue to post what's on my mind, and I'll continue to say what I think.

All this over the word "undoubtedly?"  Gee whiz.  Some people are soooo dang touchy!!!!

I can tell you this much.  I wouldn't ask that you not post anything that doesn't violate the board's posting guidelines, and I sure wouldn't over-react to the use of the word "undoubtedly" the way that you have.  All I ask is the same level of courtesy.

PatColeman,

Where can I find that USAToday preview that you were talking about?  I couldn't find it at either Barnes and Noble or Books a Million.

Is it currently out at the newsstands?

[ADL70]

Maj-I couldn't find it at Borders either, but did at Kroger and at a gas station-conveniece store combo.  Pat suggested 7-11.  It isn't as long as TSN's or discuss CWRU.  But it does have a brief write up on another QB candidate for 2009 AA, Albright's Tanner Kelly.

[DagarmanSpartan]

cwru70,

Does it have a pre-season Division III Top 25?  If so, then is Case a part of it?

I'll have to check Kroger and HEB this weekend.

[ADL70]

#16   Just behind Wisc-Eau Claire and ahead of Wartburg and Wheaton.  At my Kroger it wasn't with the magazines, but was with the newspapers up front by the service desk.  It's tabloid format.

[Pat Coleman]

My wife's Books-a-Million had it.

[ADL70]

I thought the heads up on the format might help him find it.

[Spartan 81]

lets see, last summer the big topic was maj spartan saying that there is no recruiting at the d3 level, this year it is him saying whalen is undoubtedly an all american in '09.

can't wait for next summer!!!!

[DagarmanSpartan]

Spartan81,

Don't misquote me.

I never said that there was "no" recruiting at the Division III level.  Hell, you can't tell me that a program like Mount Union hasn't actively recruited football players for a long time.  They would not have been so dominant for so long if they hadn't.  You're definitely exaggerating what I said, which, BTW, was limited only to Case, and can't be extrapolated to apply to all of Division III.

I simply said that back when I was at Case, I saw little in the way of formal football recruiting there, that every sport at Case besides football held open tryouts (which was a fact), and that even in football, many people were invited to come out for the team only after having been admitted as regular students (I'm living proof and can personally testify to that, having been called by Ron Stuckey after having been regularly admitted, and asked if I was interested in playing football).  I assumed that that was still the case, so the only way that I could think of to explain our sudden athletic renaissance was because of our recent increase in enrollment.

Apparently I was wrong, and things have changed.

Not to beat a dead horse, but obviously, things are a bit different now.  Case's recent recruiting success is definitely the product of excellent recruiting (something that the board's moderators have looked into and I have already acknowledged), and I'd like to believe that we'll continue to recruit well in the future.  Obviously it is improved football recruiting that has improved Case's fortunes in that sport, and I now acknowledge that.

OTOH, I'm sure that there are some Division III schools that have always done a lot of formal football recruiting.  I never said ANYTHING to the contrary.

[DagarmanSpartan]

cwru70,

OK, I'll look for it the way that you described.

I'm sure that it's around.  I'll find it.  Thanks!

[blue4now]

the changes in attitude about recruiting student athletes at case started about the time debs was named head coach.  long over due in my mind with all of the outstanding athletic talent in northern ohio alone...

brew was the building block that opened the doors to the mentor program as others did at their respective schools.  not every ohio kid can go to osu, a DI or mount.  the success of both the football and programs has given hope to the other athletic teams as well.  

new attiutde, new facilities, new successes...

[Mr. Ypsi]

Don't know whether this would apply to Case, but the upsurge in football recruiting also coincides with enrollment problems at many privates, especially in terms of male students.

[Spartan 81]

Sorry for the misquote maj.....  just throwing a little comedy into the room.

Actually the upswing in recruiting and resources would be more in tune with the switch in AD's.  I know for a fact that Scafe was very involved and active in recruiting.  The problem was the resources given to him and what he had to work with.  One might speculate that given the current facilities and resources, Scafe might have stayed at his Alma Mater instead of defecting to JCU.  (Interesting note, would this in turn have lead to Perella coaching at JCU and being succeded by Coach Debs?)

Anyways, go Spartans!!!

[Pat Coleman]

John Carroll's current facilities are no slouch either.

And yes, it seems ridiculous to suggest that Regis Scafe wasn't recruiting.

[DagarmanSpartan]

At the time that Scafe coached, Case had some of the worst Division III athletic facilities in the country.

The construction of the Veale Center, which I believe took place while he was still there, ushered in a bit of an athletic facility renaissance.  This was followed with a new field turf football stadium/track complex, a new baseball stadium, a new softball field, and fancy new weight rooms.

In the space of about a decade, Case went from having some of the worst athletic facilities in Division III to having some of the best.

JCU, by contrast, has always had AWESOME Division III athletic facilities.  I can see how that would have given them an athletic recruiting advantage over Case for a long time, although the gap is much smaller now.

Anyway, I still can't find that USA Today college football preview.  But I'm moving, and will keep looking in my new digs.

Mr. Ypsi,

I don't think that that would apply to Case, given that we've had nearly record enrollment over the last two years, and have traditionally had a higher percentage of male than female students.

[ADL70]

Speaking of JCU, CWRU has open dates week 1 in 2010 and 2011.  It would be a great opportunity to renew the rivalry between the Spartans and Blue Streaks.  Perhaps a rotating schedule could be set up with with BW and JCU for week 1, a reinivention of the old Big 4.

Camp begins in six weeks, but still no posting of recruits.