FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[GusD]

Solid win last night for UW-River Falls. Not surprising at all, but a good win.If anyone thought they wouldn't be any good, they were a little naive.

What we learned nothing about is whether they are 2024 good or 2025 elite. We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

In 2024 they beat Greenville 66-7, Mt. St. Joseph 68-9, and Eau Claire 71-14 before proceeding to lose three of their next four WIAC games. They might be that again.

In 2025 we all know how they dominated. They might be that again.

Yesterday was what it was always going to be. A fun home game after winning the natty that told us virtually nothing.

A solid win??
First you get a historically terrible team that some high school teams could probably beat. Secondly that terrible team has to fly half way across the country. Then, you basically obliterate them by halftime before sending them packing. And that's a good win? I don't think so. I think the absolute best that W could be classified as is an expected win. Too early to tell, but it's possible there may be 3-4 better teams in the conference this year than UWRF.

[CarollFan]

I know scheduling non conference games can be tough especially if you have 3.
If you're scheduling a non conference game vs. a D2 team or NAIA team or a really bad D3 team you basically wasted a game from a NPI standpoint because none of those games will be used in your NPI calculation. If you go 8-2 you're fighting for your playoff life and need 5 quality wins to beat out the other 8-2 teams from a NPI standpoint. Where are your 5 best wins coming from?

[AndrewB]

Solid win last night for UW-River Falls. Not surprising at all, but a good win.If anyone thought they wouldn't be any good, they were a little naive.

What we learned nothing about is whether they are 2024 good or 2025 elite. We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

In 2024 they beat Greenville 66-7, Mt. St. Joseph 68-9, and Eau Claire 71-14 before proceeding to lose three of their next four WIAC games. They might be that again.

In 2025 we all know how they dominated. They might be that again.

Yesterday was what it was always going to be. A fun home game after winning the natty that told us virtually nothing.

A solid win??
First you get a historically terrible team that some high school teams could probably beat. Secondly that terrible team has to fly half way across the country. Then, you basically obliterate them by halftime before sending them packing. And that's a good win? I don't think so. I think the absolute best that W could be classified as is an expected win. Too early to tell, but it's possible there may be 3-4 better teams in the conference this year than UWRF.

It's a good win because you don't lose any NPI.  It's a much better outcome than La Crosse losing to a #11 ranked St John's. 
There are no bad wins!
Did they test the starters for 4 quarters?  No
Did this get them ready for Coe this weekend?  Yes
You are always better off scheduling a bad D3 team than any D2 schools.
 

[bleedpurple]

Solid win last night for UW-River Falls. Not surprising at all, but a good win.If anyone thought they wouldn't be any good, they were a little naive.

What we learned nothing about is whether they are 2024 good or 2025 elite. We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

In 2024 they beat Greenville 66-7, Mt. St. Joseph 68-9, and Eau Claire 71-14 before proceeding to lose three of their next four WIAC games. They might be that again.

In 2025 we all know how they dominated. They might be that again.

Yesterday was what it was always going to be. A fun home game after winning the natty that told us virtually nothing.

A solid win??
First

Solid win last night for UW-River Falls. Not surprising at all, but a good win.If anyone thought they wouldn't be any good, they were a little naive.

What we learned nothing about is whether they are 2024 good or 2025 elite. We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

In 2024 they beat Greenville 66-7, Mt. St. Joseph 68-9, and Eau Claire 71-14 before proceeding to lose three of their next four WIAC games. They might be that again.

In 2025 we all know how they dominated. They might be that again.

Yesterday was what it was always going to be. A fun home game after winning the natty that told us virtually nothing.

A solid win??
First you get a historically terrible team that some high school teams could probably beat. Secondly that terrible team has to fly half way across the country. Then, you basically obliterate them by halftime before sending them packing. And that's a good win? I don't think so. I think the absolute best that W could be classified as is an expected win. Too early to tell, but it's possible there may be 3-4 better teams in the conference this year than UWRF.

you get a historically terrible team that some high school teams could probably beat. Secondly that terrible team has to fly half way across the country. Then, you basically obliterate them by halftime before sending them packing. And that's a good win? I don't think so. I think the absolute best that W could be classified as is an expected win. Too early to tell, but it's possible there may be 3-4 better teams in the conference this year than UWRF.

You essentially agree with the entire point of my post (we didn't learn anything about how good they are). They played who was in front of them and won by 66. It's not like...you know... a stretch to call that a solid win. 

[CarollFan]

Andrew,

I agree on what you're saying about not taking a loss.

But a win against a bad D3 team may result in the same as playing a D2 team.
Not all your wins are used in your NPI calculation. You don't have to schedule a NCC but if you can get a better win it might help your overall NPI.

You use your top 5 adjusted wins in the NPI calculation. You could use more games if they improve your overall NPI but usually the more games you pick the lower the NPI's are for those games.

Last year the following wins were not used in UWRF's NPI calculation.
Belhaven (6-4)
UWSP (4-6)
UWEC (3-7)

[DriftlessDuhawk]

We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

Wild thing to say when they are playing a team that UWRF needed a 21 point fourth quarter last season to beat.

Said team also put more points on the Falcons than anyone else last year and returns their QB from last season...

[ChickenHoops]

Andrew,

I agree on what you're saying about not taking a loss.

But a win against a bad D3 team may result in the same as playing a D2 team.
Not all your wins are used in your NPI calculation. You don't have to schedule a NCC but if you can get a better win it might help your overall NPI.

You use your top 5 adjusted wins in the NPI calculation. You could use more games if they improve your overall NPI but usually the more games you pick the lower the NPI's are for those games.

Last year the following wins were not used in UWRF's NPI calculation.
Belhaven (6-4)
UWSP (4-6)
UWEC (3-7)

I'm trying to learn about NPI and looked that up....so their loss to Oshkosh counted, right?

[CarollFan]

Andrew,

I agree on what you're saying about not taking a loss.

But a win against a bad D3 team may result in the same as playing a D2 team.
Not all your wins are used in your NPI calculation. You don't have to schedule a NCC but if you can get a better win it might help your overall NPI.

You use your top 5 adjusted wins in the NPI calculation. You could use more games if they improve your overall NPI but usually the more games you pick the lower the NPI's are for those games.

Last year the following wins were not used in UWRF's NPI calculation.
Belhaven (6-4)
UWSP (4-6)
UWEC (3-7)

I'm trying to learn about NPI and looked that up....so their loss to Oshkosh counted, right?

Yes all losses to D3 teams count. NPI just takes into account D3 games. If you have 5 or less adjusted wins, all your wins will count. If you have more than 5 wins, only 5 have to be used. Without getting in the weeds you could use more then 5 if adding a game improves your overall NPI.

For every game you're calculating a NPI for that game. You add up the NPI's for the games your using and divide that total by adjusted wins and losses to derive overall NPI.

What do I mean by adjusted wins and losses? There is a home and away factor applied to each game. Home wins use a .9 factor basically reducing the NPI calculated for the game your using by 10%. Away wins use a 1.1 factor basically increasing the NPI calculated for the game your using by 10%. To get to the 5 adjusted wins you add up the home/away factors used for the 5 wins used in your calculation. So if you used 3 home wins and 2 away wins your adjusted wins are .9+.9+.9+1.1+1.1 = 4.9 adjusted wins. Since this is short of 5 adjusted wins, another win is pulled into the calculation but you only have to use .1 of that games NPI to get to 5 adjusted wins.

This NCAA site has the final NPI's from last year. If you click a teams ranking under the NPI rank column you'll get a pop up showing all the games used in the NPI calculation and the math behind generating the NPI.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/46850

[bleedpurple]

We won't get a hint of that until Wartburg in two weeks.

Wild thing to say when they are playing a team that UWRF needed a 21 point fourth quarter last season to beat.

Said team also put more points on the Falcons than anyone else last year and returns their QB from last season...

It does appear I overlooked Coe. Happy to own that mistake. We will know more about River Falls after they play Coe than we learned against Southern Virginia.

[The Third Division]

So brian stanton is off the UWW roster now?

https://x.com/JoshGolberg/status/2098381869532275140

[bleedpurple]

So brian stanton is off the UWW roster now?

https://x.com/JoshGolberg/status/2098381869532275140

This is new and I'm not in a position to provide information, but with the internet being what it is, I feel compelled to make one thing clear. This has nothing to do with legal trouble or anything like that. Just didn't want his reputation tarnished by unwarranted speculation.

[USee]

So brian stanton is off the UWW roster now?

https://x.com/JoshGolberg/status/2098381869532275140

This is new and I'm not in a position to provide information, but with the internet being what it is, I feel compelled to make one thing clear. This has nothing to do with legal trouble or anything like that. Just didn't want his reputation tarnished by unwarranted speculation.

Commence unwarranted speculation........

[AndrewB]

Will be interesting to see the attendance at the UW-La Crosse game tomorrow.  I'm always surprised at how low the attendance is compared to Whitewater.  5 straight years of making the playoffs.  Still in the top 15 and play a ranked opponent.  Will they even get 5,000 fans on what looks to be a beautiful September day?

[Mitch Hall]

Good point on the paucity of attendance at UWK. I have never understood it.