Future of Division III

[IC798891]

OR you could do what CWRU does and have a School of Engineering, a School of Management, a School of Nursing, and a College of Arts and Sciences, that way, nearly all students can study something they like!

Because there are so many Division III schools enrolling 12,000 students (undergrad/grad), with a 267 acre campus, a 400 acre farm, and $2.5 billion in an endowment to make things like this possible.

Why haven't any of our colleges/universities just considered not being so small and poor?

[CNU85]

Thanks for the anecdotes.  I'm glad there are performers and I'm glad there are teachers.  We'd be a much better place if more folks did what they loved for a living, but sadly lot of graduates come out of school wide eyed and bushy tailed and find out what they just paid to study is not the ROI they expected.  CNU85, I would have to imagine your daughter having an Econ background to fall back on is better than have a Dance degree to fall back on if circumstances changed. You may feel differently, but as a girl dad myself I would prefer my daughter have your daughter's path.

The "what about the teachers!" line is overplayed. We all know teachers are fundamental to society.  Did I say Teaching Licensure was a scam?  No.  My wife was one of those underpaid teachers and my brother is college professor.  Grade school kids can't do basic math and are accepted into colleges and high school teachers are assaulted in the classroom and most parents couldn't care less. I don't live in a bubble. But, for a board called "Future of Division III" is sure does seem like some of us here do.

Colleges used to teach people how to think.  Now it's what to think, with very rare exceptions.  I can love my alma mater and be thankful for my education yet still be critical.  (Isn't that the "how to think" role of my education?)

You guys can crap on me all you'd like, and if I plucked a nerve I hope your Memorial Day Weekend is not ruined.  The facts are the facts. Only 40% of degrees this year were earned by men and down 3% from last year (before you call me sexist, we men make up half the population and half of possible enrollees).  Keep telling yourselves everything is just fine as we have numerous colleges and universities shutting down over enrollment and finances with many more on accreditation probation due to those poor finances. Larger universities are going to gain more market share.

We live in 2026, not 1996.  "The times, they are a-changin'."  Get busy finding ways to adapt or get left behind.  Simple as that.

Nice pivot. Dance Theory is not a scam. That's what I was addressing. Show me facts that say it is a scam. You can't. Because the data doesn't exist. But a nice try in your pivot.

[CNU85]

^^^ I wish I could point to that kind of success in my family. I can't just yet. But my son, who has a BA in Political Science, turned to writing about a decade ago and has just completed an MFA program in Creative Writing. Simultaneously he has a novel that was released on May 5th. It's not likely to be a best seller, but it could earn him royalties beyond the advance he was paid by his publisher. This has led to him being about to start a job ghostwriting a book for a computer science professor who spent over four years leading a federal government organization.

There are so many pathways in life.

Sounds like it's already happening! Where can I find his novel? PM if you want.

I'm writing a book....my first. And I'm struggling. I'll figure it out. I hope.

[MCScots2013]

Thanks for the anecdotes.  I'm glad there are performers and I'm glad there are teachers.  We'd be a much better place if more folks did what they loved for a living, but sadly lot of graduates come out of school wide eyed and bushy tailed and find out what they just paid to study is not the ROI they expected.  CNU85, I would have to imagine your daughter having an Econ background to fall back on is better than have a Dance degree to fall back on if circumstances changed. You may feel differently, but as a girl dad myself I would prefer my daughter have your daughter's path.

The "what about the teachers!" line is overplayed. We all know teachers are fundamental to society.  Did I say Teaching Licensure was a scam?  No.  My wife was one of those underpaid teachers and my brother is college professor.  Grade school kids can't do basic math and are accepted into colleges and high school teachers are assaulted in the classroom and most parents couldn't care less. I don't live in a bubble. But, for a board called "Future of Division III" is sure does seem like some of us here do.

Colleges used to teach people how to think.  Now it's what to think, with very rare exceptions.  I can love my alma mater and be thankful for my education yet still be critical.  (Isn't that the "how to think" role of my education?)

You guys can crap on me all you'd like, and if I plucked a nerve I hope your Memorial Day Weekend is not ruined.  The facts are the facts. Only 40% of degrees this year were earned by men and down 3% from last year (before you call me sexist, we men make up half the population and half of possible enrollees).  Keep telling yourselves everything is just fine as we have numerous colleges and universities shutting down over enrollment and finances with many more on accreditation probation due to those poor finances. Larger universities are going to gain more market share.

We live in 2026, not 1996.  "The times, they are a-changin'."  Get busy finding ways to adapt or get left behind.  Simple as that.

Nice pivot. Dance Theory is not a scam. That's what I was addressing. Show me facts that say it is a scam. You can't. Because the data doesn't exist. But a nice try in your pivot.

Pivot? Take your ball and go home. I have obviously hit a nerve and you are taking things too personal. Congrats to having a talented daughter. Maybe she should have gone to Juilliard.

https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/careers/the-highest-paying-college-majors
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/24/best-and-worst-paying-college-majors-5-years-after-graduation.html?msockid=2f515e48a7a865cf190e4a40a6846447