Future of Division III

Started by Ralph Turner, October 10, 2005, 07:27:51 PM

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RE: Linfield

I wish it was a mandatory edict in reporting that if you're going to talk about a college eliminating programs/majors or downgrading things to minors, you should have to report on the number of students enrolled in those programs.

It really frustrates me because, as we saw with the Syracuse story, news sites tend to frame it in the most drastic light possible. (Mention that 20% of programs are shutting down, but bury the fact that those programs only house 1.2% of your students)

It's not that we don't have a right to be frustrated by cuts, and people losing their jobs, and students losing their major. But there's also a responsibility to understand the factors that influenced the institution's decision. Even if, after we hear them,  we still don't agree with it

Gregory Sager

Quote from: WUPHF on Today at 12:56:40 PM
Quote from: Kuiper on Today at 12:13:06 PMKenyon was downgraded from Positive to Stable in January 2024, so this continues the downward cycle

Linfield University Considers Controversial Program Cuts to Close Budget Deficit

I thought Kenyon was elite enough to be more immune to the tough times, but I was wrong.

My thought exactly. I would've automatically filed Kenyon in the "safe from potential harm" category.

Quote from: WUPHF on Today at 12:56:40 PMThis may explain why they added squash.

We'll really know if Kenyon is in trouble if they add yachting and croquet as well.

Quote from: WUPHF on Today at 12:56:40 PMInterestingly, Webster University is discontinuing their chess program, one of the most noteworthy and accomplished things they have done over the past 20 years.

Unfortunately for Webster, they needed to run that program with full scholarships in order to maintain that level of success.

I'm sorry to  see that. The chess program was a bona-fide distinctive for that school. I can honestly say that the only institution of higher learning in America that I associate with chess is Webster ... which doesn't sound like much, but it is something. Chess still has the aura of an intellectual activity, and that's exactly the perception that a school that really doesn't have any other genuine academic distinctives should embrace.
"When it comes to life, the critical thing is whether you take things for granted or take them with gratitude." ― G.K. Chesterton

WUPHF

Quote from: Gregory Sager on Today at 01:56:05 PMWe'll really know if Kenyon is in trouble if they add yachting and croquet as well.

I spit out my drink...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on Today at 01:56:05 PMI'm sorry to  see that. The chess program was a bona-fide distinctive for that school. I can honestly say that the only institution of higher learning in America that I associate with chess is Webster ... which doesn't sound like much, but it is something. Chess still has the aura of an intellectual activity, and that's exactly the perception that a school that really doesn't have any other genuine academic distinctives should embrace.

I understand, though the older I get, the more that I struggle with supporting the institutional vanity projects that do not benefit students broadly speaking.

The chess program would have benefited all students through the publicity, but as that died down, a program with a $1,000,000 budget is apparently no longer worth it.

There is another major chess program in town that is fully supported by a wealthy billionaire.  I am good with that.

The claim by Webster is that the were unsuccessful in fundraising for the chess program.  The former founding director said that was a lack of effort.

I may sound like I disagree with you, but if we were in the same room, I imagine we would mostly agree on the matter.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: WUPHF on Today at 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on Today at 01:56:05 PMI'm sorry to  see that. The chess program was a bona-fide distinctive for that school. I can honestly say that the only institution of higher learning in America that I associate with chess is Webster ... which doesn't sound like much, but it is something. Chess still has the aura of an intellectual activity, and that's exactly the perception that a school that really doesn't have any other genuine academic distinctives should embrace.

I understand, though the older I get, the more that I struggle with supporting the institutional vanity projects that do not benefit students broadly speaking.

The chess program would have benefited all students through the publicity, but as that died down, a program with a $1,000,000 budget is apparently no longer worth it.

There is another major chess program in town that is fully supported by a wealthy billionaire.  I am good with that.

The claim by Webster is that the were unsuccessful in fundraising for the chess program.  The former founding director said that was a lack of effort.

I may sound like I disagree with you, but if we were in the same room, I imagine we would mostly agree on the matter.


Yep.
"When it comes to life, the critical thing is whether you take things for granted or take them with gratitude." ― G.K. Chesterton