FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Hourly forecast for the Wheaton--North Central game Sat night in Wheaton:

STAY WARM!!!

http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/hourbyhour/USIL1259?begHour=14&begDay=299

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Random thought: 
When was the last time the CCIW had 3 of their 4 games as night games?  (I don't know the answer just asking)
I would love to see Elmhurst get lights up on their field.  I know they attract great crowds at York and IC (HS) and think a night game would attract a great community atmosphere.

I don't know the answer either - but for many years North Central was the only school with lights.

IWU had lights up through the 1970 season - it was like playing in a dimly lit closet so they took them down.  The last CCIW night game there was a 21-21 tie with Wheaton to open the 1970 season.

Wheaton for many years played its first home game of the season at Wheaton Central High School's Red Grange Field - NPC's last win over Wheaton came in 1979 on that field 10-7 in front of the largest crowd ever to see a North Park game (some say 10,000, but who knows, the place was packed to standing room only).

North Central went to lights when they opened their renovated field in the late-seventies.  The first night game was against Millikin, which the Cards won driving 99-yards (with the help of 3 15-yard personal foul penalties) in the final two minutes for a one-point victory.  The game was memorable because the pressbox wasn't finished.  It had no walls and no staircase to the top.  It was a bare concrete slab on top of a 30-foot cinderblock tower - the last ten feet of which had to be navigated by a ladder.

Off and on different CCIW teams have played at high school or municipal fields that had lights.  Augustana hosted North Park in 1970 at Rock Island HS stadium.  In that game Ken Anderson passed for two TD, ran for three, kicked a field goal and all five extra points in a 38-6 win.

North Park hosted Illinois Benedictine at Hanson Stadium on Fullerton & Central for a night game - I want to say in the Gene Mitz era 1975-77.  The Vikings got blitzed.  That game was memorable because IBC kicked off from the twenty-yard line (the North Park twenty yard line) after 3 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on the North Park coaching staff after a disputed TD.  The Eagles tried an on-side kick (which North Park recovered).

When I was league SID I rarely missed a night game at North Central - and they were the only regular nocturnal host, 1978-95.

dgp

[redman04]

Random thought: 
When was the last time the CCIW had 3 of their 4 games as night games?  (I don't know the answer just asking)
I would love to see Elmhurst get lights up on their field.  I know they attract great crowds at York and IC (HS) and think a night game would attract a great community atmosphere.

I don't know the answer either - but for many years North Central was the only school with lights.

IWU had lights up through the 1970 season - it was like playing in a dimly lit closet so they took them down.  The last CCIW night game there was a 21-21 tie with Wheaton to open the 1970 season.

Wheaton for many years played its first home game of the season at Wheaton Central High School's Red Grange Field - NPC's last win over Wheaton came in 1979 on that field 10-7 in front of the largest crowd ever to see a North Park game (some say 10,000, but who knows, the place was packed to standing room only).

North Central went to lights when they opened their renovated field in the late-seventies.  The first night game was against Millikin, which the Cards won driving 99-yards (with the help of 3 15-yard personal foul penalties) in the final two minutes for a one-point victory.  The game was memorable because the pressbox wasn't finished.  It had no walls and no staircase to the top.  It was a bare concrete slab on top of a 30-foot cinderblock tower - the last ten feet of which had to be navigated by a ladder.

Off and on different CCIW teams have played at high school or municipal fields that had lights.  Augustana hosted North Park in 1970 at Rock Island HS stadium.  In that game Ken Anderson passed for two TD, ran for three, kicked a field goal and all five extra points in a 38-6 win.

North Park hosted Illinois Benedictine at Hanson Stadium on Fullerton & Central for a night game - I want to say in the Gene Mitz era 1975-77.  The Vikings got blitzed.  That game was memorable because IBC kicked off from the twenty-yard line (the North Park twenty yard line) after 3 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on the North Park coaching staff after a disputed TD.  The Eagles tried an on-side kick (which North Park recovered).

When I was league SID I rarely missed a night game at North Central - and they were the only regular nocturnal host, 1978-95.

dgp

We got lights at Carthage in 1997 and if memory serves me correctly we beat elmhurst 41-0 in our first night game.... Keep in mind my memory is not very good.  I've been liquored up for 18 years.

[Mr. Ypsi]

dennis,

A kickoff from the opponent's 20 - WOW!  That's one I've never seen!

And what could they do EXCEPT an onside kick?  The rules, alas, don't allow for a fg, a regular kick is a guaranteed touchback (so zero yards), and kicking out of bounds would leave them with signifcant negative yardage.

NPU should have gone for a fourth unsportsmanlike penalty - then IBC would really be stuck, since an onside kick couldn't go 10 yards!

[robertgoulet]

It's been a fun week.


For you gents going to the game, I will be the one on the North Central sideline cheering for North Central.


Have a good weekend, all! Go Cards!

[ncc58]

I caught the segment on Comcast Sportsnet on the NCC - Wheaton game just before 7PM. I thought it was nicely done. It included on camera quotes from both coaches, and players from both NCC and Wheaton. Nice publicity for both programs.

[Gregory Sager]

from GS

"I can't think of any reason whatsoever why anyone who isn't a CCIW player's parent or a Wheaton supporter would read the CCIW women's soccer room (sorry, Jim). Women's soccer is as much of a one-school monopoly in this league as men's cross-country is."

GS- North Park has actually won two conference games this year and Wheaton has lost one.  Film at eleven.

Great. Now you've made me look up the CCIW women's soccer history page. Thanks a bunch, Dennis.

Wheaton's loss to Carthage last week means that the Wheaton women's soccer team is now 90-4 in CCIW history, not counting conference tournament matches. They've won all thirteen titles since the CCIW began sponsoring the sport in the fall of '95 (they shared the title with Carthage in '01). I'll stick with what I said about the sport being a one-school monopoly and not worth following in terms of this website's particular room for it, thankyouverymuch.

(And my abject apologies to this room's regulars for even mentioning women's soccer. Please put down those torches and pitchforks.)

[RadioNotes]

WILL there be a podcast?     I thought Wheaton did the on the TV thing
and we weren't just limited to the WONC???

[thunderdog]

What a weekend for town supremecy between Naperville and Wheaton.  Not only does 6-0 NCC take on a 6-0 WC squad, but right now 8-0 Wheaton Warrenville South is playing 8-0 Naperville North... although I'm a fan of neither high school, I'd sure like to be at that game.  Anyone happen to have an update???

[Gregory Sager]

Random thought: 
When was the last time the CCIW had 3 of their 4 games as night games?  (I don't know the answer just asking)

What I find interesting are the different start times. The games in Kenosha and Bloomington start at 6 pm, and the game in Wheaton starts at 7 pm.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Random thought: 
When was the last time the CCIW had 3 of their 4 games as night games?  (I don't know the answer just asking)

What I find interesting are the different start times. The games in Kenosha and Bloomington start at 6 pm, and the game in Wheaton starts at 7 pm.

Perhaps Billy Graham U forbids daylight savings time?

[usee]

Well, here we are the day before what should be the game of the year in the conference barring any surprises down the road.  This game is going to come down to the LOS, period.  Talk all you want about special teams, skill players, coaching, but I really see it as how is the Cardinal O-line going to handle a very skilled Wheatie D-line and on the flip side, how is the Wheatie O-line going to keep Wenger from wreaking havoc.  Should be a great game!

Games are won and lost in the trenches. Excellent analysis. Only a North Central alum could pen such brilliance.

The only problem is he took this from a Wheaton guy's pen 4 days ago.   8)

Of course the biggest factor will be the ability of each Line to control the LOS. I am making the assumption that yards on the ground for each team will be very hard to come by. I would expect a game where both teams have below their season average in Yds. The team who can rush for 125 yds will win this game and those yds may come from the qb position--most defenses don't account for the qb and both of these guys can run. How will the young Wheaton OLine handle the front led by Lb's Wenger, Treglown and Swanson? On the other side you have a great Dline (the key to their defense IMO) in Thiessen, Kuenzle, Pagh and McKinney (Theobald is an awesome DT but he may not play?). These guys are going against a banged up Oline without Welnack, having moved Delancey to Guard and starting a frosh at tackle. If the Thunder can control the LOS and limt Sulo while pressuring Fanthorpe with 4, they will control the game.

Even Mugsy wouldn't let you skate by with that theft CardinalAlum. 

[usee]

The one other thing that I will say that is scary about Naperville....they have only 6 seniors starting (3 on offense, 3 on defense) and none of them is named Fanthorpe, Sulo or Wenger. This is still a young team. I think Wheaton has 9 Sr's starting on defense.

[CardinalAlum]

Even Mugsy wouldn't let you skate by with that theft CardinalAlum. 

It's not my fault you were right on the money!!   I didn't purposefully rehash what you wrote.  I was more responding to the article in the Naperville Sun.    Your knowledge of the CCIW football is impressive.  Here's hoping you aren't right this week!!

[CardinalAlum]

Chicago Tribune article:

Scout talk: Best pro prospects from Illinois
By Dan Pompei | Tribune staff reporter
9:56 PM CDT, October 24, 2008

The state of Illinois has a better-than-usual crop of senior prospects this season, and that crop could really be enhanced if underclassmen such as cornerback Vontae Davis of Illinois or defensive end Corey Wootton of Northwestern pass up their senior seasons. Here, based on conversations with NFL scouts, are the best pro prospects from schools in the state, ranked in order of current draft value.

1. Larry English, DE/LB, Northern Illinois. A hard-charging pass rusher with great intangibles. Strong and explosive. Some compare him with AFC sacks leader James Harrison of the Steelers.

2. Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois. Has the athleticism, frame and quickness to play left tackle in the pros but needs more polish and consistency.

3. Will Davis, DE, Illinois. Has the quickness, strength and ability to close that scouts look for. Has been playing out of position at defensive tackle. Instincts could be better.

4. Derek Walker, DE, Illinois. Athletic end who has the strength to hold up at the point. Plays with a good motor.

5. Ryan McDonald, C, Illinois. His athleticism is just so-so, but he's tough, competes and knows what he's doing. Initially not considered draftable, but he has come on this season.

6. Tyrell Sutton, RB, Northwestern. Highly productive runner who lacks ideal size and speed. Scouts question his durability. A little like Garrett Wolfe, but not as highly regarded.

7. John Gill, DT, Northwestern. Tough and plays hard but doesn't always play strong. Might make it as a third or fourth defensive tackle.

8. Herb Donaldson, RB, Western Illinois. Very productive, tough, strong college back with good intangibles. Might not have NFL speed.

9. Jon Brost, OL, Northern Illinois. A tackle who probably will move to guard at the next level. Has pretty good feet and awareness but needs to improve his strength.

10. Tom Nelson, S, Illinois State. Arlington Heights native has the athleticism, speed and intelligence to play the deep half of the field. Is not the best in run support.

11. Pierre Walters, DE, Eastern Illinois. Has played well in spurts, but effort is inconsistent. Has a bad ankle that is affecting his play. Could help himself with a great workout.

12. Jonathan St-Pierre, C, Illinois State. Transfer from Miami has strength and size. Already has been drafted by the Canadian league. A marginal athlete whose stock has slipped.

13. Taylor Rowan, K, Western Illinois. Has a really strong leg, as a 54-yard field goal shows. Probably won't be drafted, but he could be the kind of player who bounces around for a year or two and then makes it in the NFL.

14. Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois. Productive, explosive player who goes all out. Struggles in coverage and is not all that athletic.

15. Britt Davis, WR, Northern Illinois. Former high school quarterback at Riverside-Brookfield has height, weight and speed but has not been consistent. Doesn't play fast and drops some balls. Intangibles are a concern.

16. Aaron Lockwood, G, Southern Illinois. Productive, tough guy who is good enough to at least make an appearance in an NFL camp.

17. Pete Ittersagen, CB, Wheaton. Really good player in the CCIW who might not have the size, strength and quickness to make the jump. Some scouts consider him a superior prospect to former teammate Andy Studebaker, who was drafted by the Eagles and remains on their practice squad.

18. Brit Miller, ILB, Illinois. Goes all out and makes a lot of tackles but probably is not fast or strong enough to make it in the NFL.

19. Melvin Rice, CB, Northern Illinois. Good tackler who has some Cover-2 qualities but doesn't always respond well to the ball in the air