MBB: Colonial States Athletic Conference

[Clutch]

Oops, or how bad an institution wants to compete against another institution to recruit.

[kate]

Please read Dave's post#2989 on the previous page.  Still haven't mastered that quote thing 

[Clutch]

Sorry Kate!!!!!  read you loud and clear. My bad.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Please read Dave's post#2989 on the previous page.  Still haven't mastered that quote thing 

Kate - just click the "quote" link on the upper right of someone's post and it automatically puts it in a window for you to write below it...

[Clutch]

Hey Mailsy, having said with confidence that Wesley will win against Cabrini, on the otherhand, if Cabrini's youth steps up without having one of their regular scorers in the line up, well then I will say Cabrini is for real and does deserve their ranking.  I would expect to see them in the tourney if they can win their conference maybe getting to host a game or two depending upon this crazy NCAA geographical criteria.

[CCHoopster]

Hey Mailsy, having said with confidence that Wesley will win against Cabrini, on the otherhand, if Cabrini's youth steps up without having one of their regular scorers in the line up, well then I will say Cabrini is for real and does deserve their ranking.  I would expect to see them in the tourney if they can win their conference maybe getting to host a game or two depending upon this crazy NCAA geographical criteria.

Cabrini will be in the tournament if they win their conference tournament or not. Their not losing more than 2/3 games the rest of the season and I would take the under on that one.

Coaches absolutely know the academic standings of potential student athletes. You do not spend time and money recruiting a potential student athlete to find out after 3 moths or when they finally apply that they have a 2.2 and 800 SAT (random example) or that someone has a 3.9 and 1300 SAT.

I can only speak for the Mid Atlantic Region- they recruit a ton of the same players. Schools like Dickinson, F&M and other Centennials can go beyond a 2-4 hour radius especially up in New England and to prep schools because the strength of their academics will attract that demographic of kids/families bc of financial and academic reasons.

Unfortunately there will always be a perceived notion that some schools get certain student athletes and some get others. Where I live (Lancaster, PA) most schools are in the MAC (Alvernia, Albright, LVC, Etown, Messiah ect.) which is the conference I follow the most. Messiah, LVC and Etown certainly have higher academic standards when it comes to being accepted than other schools in the conference. Doesn't mean they can't recruit the same kids, just means some price tags are higher and some potential student athletes simply can not get accepted at one school but can at another. The flip side is some of those schools will be able to recruit some student athletes who want a better perceived education by a better school (Messiah/LVC vs say Alvernia) so a kid may not even look at one school who they think is inferior in academics- I would assume a lot of this is based on the strength of a specific major and what they think a degree from a certain school will help them earn in the real world 4 years later. Each school has a niche and it's the coaches job to find the best players who fit what their school offers the best.

I do agree with Clutch in that athletic budgets make a difference. A couple factors to consider would be 1- manpower- does a staff have FT assistants and/or GA's or is it simply on the head coach to get out every night? This does make a huge difference. 2- Does the recruiting budget come out of the program/athletic department or does the recruiting budget come out of admissions budget (happens more than you think. I could name 2 where it does happen but will keep that off public forum) 3- What is the total recruiting budget. Is there a cap? Can you fund raise? Does fundraising go back to your account or to a general athletic account then divvied up fairly amongst all programs.

That may make no sense! Normally don't like to be on a soap box 

[Clutch]

CC Hoopster, it makes total sense in my book, again the personal choice of the potential student athlete has all those variables involved when considering what school to attend.  Those other variables from the side of the school you mentioned afford and institution to offer its strengths or assets when recruiting. Some schools just cant compete with others when looking at specific variables, while others can.  This may limit the choice of a candidate based on what the candidate values from one's individual preference in obtaining an education.  I think you make total sense.  Also the alumni base of an institution can help if former athletes are involved in careers in athletics or education in general when networking and recruiting.  Have a great weekend.  Everyone enjoy their hoops no matter who you are cheering for ! ! ! ! !

[CCHoopster]

CC Hoopster, it makes total sense in my book, again the personal choice of the potential student athlete has all those variables involved when considering what school to attend.  Those other variables from the side of the school you mentioned afford and institution to offer its strengths or assets when recruiting. Some schools just cant compete with others when looking at specific variables, while others can.  This may limit the choice of a candidate based on what the candidate values from one's individual preference in obtaining an education.  I think you make total sense.  Also the alumni base of an institution can help if former athletes are involved in careers in athletics or education in general when networking and recruiting.  Have a great weekend.  Everyone enjoy their hoops no matter who you are cheering for ! ! ! ! !

Nice point about alumni. Certainly played a part in my college choice (played 4 years of D3, not recently  ) when I received a call from an alumni who's career was what I was looking into as a major/potential career.

[kate]

Clutch and CCHoopster, Thank You!  You both have brought up some really thought provoking aspects of the whole D3 sports arena!  Especially enjoyed reading about where recruiting budgets come from.  Always wondered about that.  Love it when the school creates a strong alumni base for many reasons but it's especially useful in D3.  Thanks again - maybe our paths will cross at a game sometime.  Tomorrow we're headed to Aggie land for the first time in a month.  Miss them terribly!  Good luck to your respective teams as well!

[mailsy]

Another conference contest tonight. Doubleheader between Marywood and the Cavaliers. Massey predicts 92-64 Cabrini over Marywood. Cavs have won 6 straight including a win 90-71 on December 4, 2013. Last win for Marywood was 1/10/11(57-55) at home. Cavs lead series 18-5.

Also today Keystone hosts Immaculata this afternoon at 3:00, Baptist Bible travels to Centenary and Neumann heads up the Blue Route to take on Rosemont. Best of luck to everyone. More to others.

GO CAVS!!!

[NEPAFAN]

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx


This site will give you the athletic budget, and recruiting budget for any school.   good resource.

[mailsy]

Cavs now 15-0 and 9-0 in conference. Neumann had no answer for Walton-Moss and Rafferty last night. Brennan McCann had 17 pts(career high)  and with AWM(27) and Rafferty(25) had 69 points combined. One more than Neumanns' entire team (68). Final 94-68.

Rafferty was on fire in the 1st half. 7-11 from the field 5-7 on 3's and 2-2 from the line(21 points). He was hitting 3's from past NBA range. Hit a buzzer beater at the half to give Cavs a 20 point lead.

Second buzzer beater at the half I've seen in a week. Rosemont hit one at the buzzer against Cavs on 1/15.

[mailsy]

Here is a great story about Cabrini's Aaron Walton Moss in the Philadelphia Daily News.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20140124_Walton-Moss_making_an_impact_at_Cabrini_-_and_his_own_life.html

[CCHoopster]

Thanks for the share.

Hoping no losses for Cabrini or Wesley until their showdown. That is setting itself up to be a WAR!

[mailsy]

Coach Marcus Kahn of Cabrini will be on Hoopsville at 2:40pm today. Hoopsville is doing a marathon show today. I'm sure he'll be discussing last nights game and the next few games coming up, including Wesley.

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan30