MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Denny McKinney]

No loyalty, no discipline and no consistency is why FC underachieves each year. This bunch 5-17? playing in the worst conference in the country? And they are still "searching" for the right mix with a week left in the season. Crazy.

If Fontbonne is the winningest program in conference history and underachieves, what are you saying about the rest of the programs.

If you look at this years team stats, there is no right mix.

[Denny McKinney]

Again I ask. Would FU had won three playing 10-12 with the personell?

Hopefan are you not going to honestly answer this question?

[allamericanredhead]

No loyalty, no discipline and no consistency is why FC underachieves each year. This bunch 5-17? playing in the worst conference in the country? And they are still "searching" for the right mix with a week left in the season. Crazy.

If Fontbonne is the winningest program in conference history and underachieves, what are you saying about the rest of the programs.

If you look at this years team stats, there is no right mix.

In the latest massey Ratings, the SLIAC ranks 51 out of 52 Conferences in D III

[hopefan]

The old Den is wound up today....

Maybe they would have won some conference championships.....  Maybe they would have won an NCAA game.....  Maybe they would have beat Eureka that one game....  maybe they wouldn't have been a second division team the last several years

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer

comon Den, stop trying to pick a problem.....

[Denny McKinney]

They did win a conference championship and have finished out of the top 4 only 5 times in 21 years. Happy Valentines Day to Mrs. Hopefan and Mrs. Yjak.

[hopefan]

Mrs. hopefan mumbles half asleep... happy valentines day to you Denny,....  now turn off the darned computer and go to sleep, hopefan.....

[Denny McKinney]

  She's the boss.

Greenville beats EC 60-55. Congrats to Coach Barber and his squad. Coach Barber's first trip. Where is Panther Pride???

Records since tournament returned in 04-05:

GC  0 - 0
MC  0 - 2
WC 4 - 3
WU 1 - 6

Host has won last 2. But just 2-6....

[Denny McKinney]

....  maybe they wouldn't have been a second division team the last several years

We won it all 2 yrs ago. Hosted. Three out of last four. You meant couple. right?

[Denny McKinney]

Talk to players who have played there, it is very frustrating. You never know whag is going to happen next. FC has had very few four year players, and i mean very few. (they had the three three years ago, McCoy, Fogerty and Storandt - name one since or one before those three)  it is always the "quick fix."

AARH – Sir. It has taken awhile but I have figured you out. You come on here toss out a little history, now everything you write people assume is true. When there nothing but lies.

I know you remember the '94 team that went 13-1 Won the conference blew away the tourney. No AQ then. Mark Kronk, Rod Tucker, Jeff Branson, Jason Mallott, Marvin Talley (Vashon Coach now Principle), Kevin Walsh (Vianney Coach) add transfer (3 yr) player Roy Woods (POY '95 Sliac Record blocks 15) and '94 POY Stacey Ross lead league in scoring 18.5 and assists 8.6 and league record 20 assists in a game. Other then Stacey and Roy, all four year players.

I know you know that team cause the next year the repeated as conference champs going 14-0. And I know you remember '96 when FC went 12-4 finished 2nd and won SLIAC Tourney and its first NCAA Trip. Remember those teams. "You've been a small college fan for years back to when Dad was at Mo Bapt". The run was pretty good till '98. Had a player die Brian Kennedy on the practice court. That year FC sleeped walked thru the year finished 7th, Found something late and went on to (let's just say) PUSH the Tourney Championship.

Friend the above 6 and following is a memory list of four year players, which carried into the previous post, era I wrote about earlier. Doug Davinroy, Josh Geollner, Jeff Maupin, Aaron Frison, James Anderson, Steve Fowler, Brian Kleecamp, Herbie Dill, Eric Selter, Matt Bandermann, Chad Gibson, Kurt Brown, Duane Roth, Allen Hutchcraft.................

There is another 20 players just by memory.

Why do you feel it necessary to come on this board and print absolute trash about my Dad? Exactly what is your problem? A couple of bad years got ya down?

The one half truth is your 05 story. You're thinking of the Antonio Holland year. He did play all year. Semester transfers Kennard Davis, Loren Fortune and a Youngman from Fresno State. That part is true.

The part you lied about is the season started 9-3 before. That team finished 8-17 and had 2 wins at Christmas. I'd try anyone. By the way. Davis, who scored 36 against our ABA Pioneers, recently, was purged from school weeks into the next school year because he was unable to pay balance due. The Fresno St. young man had child that next fall. Went to work and graduated from FC.

So basically "Redhead" you really disappointed me. Proved to everyone again what you're all about. But, gave me a few great memories.

[hopefan]

I hope we've all had our fun with Fontbonne pros and cons, and advanced theory of bench substitution, and we can get back to the games at hand.

Greenville beats Eureka close.. Eureka misses a 3 pointer that would have tied it in the last seconds.. that win puts Greenville in better shape, but Prin could still force their hand with a huge upset over Mac tonight......   I just don't see Mac sitting in a zone allowing Prin to do what they do best- shoot from the perimeter....  and Clint Lee has the quickness and strength to keep Zimmerman from taking over....

Per Red's comment about Massey ratings, he is close to correct... the Massey groupings are easy to misconstrue, because there are summary groups thrown in the mix when you call up Division 3...  I counted up 43 conferences in D3 (including the independents as a conference) and the SLIAC is rated No 41.  Only the North Atlantic and the NorthEastern AC are below the SLIAC, and As I am originally from that area, let me tell you, it's not much to brag about.  Why is the SLIAC so low.. you only need to look at the records..  the SLIAC is 25-50 in non conference games, 10-23 vs other NCAA D3 teams....   that leaves 15 wins against non D3 teams, and 10 of those were against very weak competion including Moody Bible, LCC (we also LOST to LCC) Concordia St L, Concordia Indiana, StL Pharma, Ohio St Lima, and Stl Christian... what, no wins vs Logan Chiro?

Looking forward to Webster at Westmin... ladies game could also be interesting... and keep your eye on the Font at Gville score too, especially if Prin scores the upset tonite.

[hopefan]

Another little tidbit... Feel sorry for Illinois Wesleyan....  Webster fans including me were thrilled when Webster pushed IWU to the limit early in the season... now IWU needs a major upset over Augustana ..JUST TO MAKE ITS CONFERENCE TOURNEY...

a tough OT  loss to North Central last night may have them finishing 5 th in the CCIW when only 4 teams make the conference tourney... which would also mean goodby to any NCAA chance... and this is obviously a top 30 level team in my mind....  but the CCIW is another world from the SLIAC.....

[Denny McKinney]

Sorry if I upset you Hopefan. I know this your world and I'm just visiting. And, I hope I didn't upset anyone. But does appear it was good for your Karma.

I don't know who your friend "Big Red" thinks he is, But I've drawn the line with writing half baked fabrications. Just to make my Dad look bad. That's the fears of the internet today.

Again, Sorry Hope and anyone else who's time I've wasted.

We'll return to regular programing. Back to you Hopefan.

[hopefan]

not upset Denny, just mocking the whole set of stuff that took up space yesterday....  that's a shot at Red and you and ME!!!!

[allamericanredhead]

Ok Dennis, here is what I find from visiting the acrchives as far back as they go. I also included the next two years since FC currently has no sophomores or juniors who will be four year players. Four players in nine years. Pretty sad record from a school that will bring 15 freshman each year. Does the FC staff tell these wide eyed high school seniors that the odds of them player four years and graduating is about nill?

Once again, the problem at FC is always looking for the quick fix. The talent is always there, but they underachive each years playing in the "horrible" SLIAC.

FC four year Senior players,
04-05 none,
05-06, none,
06-07 none
07-08 none
08-09 three  mccoy, sturandt, fogherty
09-10 none
10-11 one  sheetz
11-12 none
12-13 none

player from fresno?  can you provide a name. i find nothing on that anywhere. he year of the midseason transfers when the team feel apart, according to my source  was 03-04.

[BunchTime]

Caught up on my reading and decided to weigh in on the playing time debate.  I too am of the opinion that how many players are in the rotation or how much time each player is given is completely up to the coach and style of play they utilize.  Some of Fontbonne's best teams from my day only played 7 players and they did very well.  If you simply don't have the talent on the bench or players ready to make a contribution, you go with what you have and plan accordingly.  Obviously, every coach would like to have a 10-man rotation with little drop-off, but not everyone has that luxury.  Other teams use a style of play that requires a deeper rotation, i.e. Mizzou.  Essentially, the coach goes with what he has... I am sure all coaches play the players and allocate minutes accordingly that gives them the best shot of winning.