Empire 8

[gobombers15]

Not sure Hartwick can beat Ithaca in the Bulb. Ithaca handled them at Hartwick and the Bombers are 10x better at home, usually. Time will tell.

I'm just proud of myself for being able to write a coherent sentence, last night/early this morning, after about 5 hand grenades. Things are potent!

[bamm]

Very nice win for the Tigers yesterday.  I wasn't able to go to the game so I don't have much more to say about it other than it bothers me that no one from the Sports Info department at RIT has posted the score of that game here yet.  There's a fine wrap-up here:  http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/1/28/mbb012806.asp?path=mbb

And the excuses are crap.  All the evidence points to RIT out-playing them, including the under-sized Tigers outrebounding Utica by 11. 

Hard to imagine anything other than an E8 tourney at Fisher again this year.  Will be tough for anyone to beat them there.

[superman57]

Bamm, I wish Clear was as understanding as you

[UCgrad45]

Very nice win for the Tigers yesterday.  I wasn't able to go to the game so I don't have much more to say about it other than it bothers me that no one from the Sports Info department at RIT has posted the score of that game here yet.  There's a fine wrap-up here:  http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/1/28/mbb012806.asp?path=mbb

And the excuses are crap.  All the evidence points to RIT out-playing them, including the under-sized Tigers outrebounding Utica by 11. 

Hard to imagine anything other than an E8 tourney at Fisher again this year.  Will be tough for anyone to beat them there.

Perhaps we read a different link.

I'm not sure if some here understand the definition of an excuse. An excuse would have been "we would have made our foul shots if we werent so tired from the game before, while RIT played Hartwick and rested most of their players". Nothing like that was said. There were no excuses made, we should have made our foul shots and converted the easy two points. It was a huge momentum swing, as the very article you posted pointed out "The Pioneers had a golden change to go up six when Bryant stole an errant Tiger pass and had a clear breakaway.  His one-handed tomahawk dunk went off the back of the rim and caromed to Colin Roy (Malta, NY/Malta).  Roy whirled and found Snyder alone at the other end for the easy lay-up and a 35-33 score.  RIT scored the next six points to go up 39-35 and never trailed after that."


Also, "The Tigers turned the ball over 20 times to Utica's nine.  " Doesn't seem to point to any "dominance" on RIT's part. They played a good game, as you have to in order to beat Utica, but even they will admit our horrendous FT showing and the blown dunk were huge.

"The Tigers received a scare with 1:07 left in the first half, when Zeinfeld suffered an injury, as he collided with Utica's Justin Cichon.  He limped off the court, but returned to start the second half."

This is a funny line, as most people agree that Jerry intentionally fouled Cichon hard on that very play.

[UCgrad45]

Justin Cichon became Utica's 2nd all team leading scorer on saturday.

[tigerfan2]

Letting RIT shoot over 50% from the field and 50% from the 3-pt line as well as getting outrebounded by a much smaller team were also huge.

Those look like a sign of being outworked more than anything, especially on the boards.

[bamm]

Utica decides to miss an insane number of FT and blow a wide open dunk to beat themselves.

They didn't beat themselves, RIT beat them.  As gb15 pointed out, Utica shot 21-32, not exactly "horrendous".  You also said:

I made no excuses, simply stated a fact. Utica makes their FT's tonight, they win. They didn't do it. Hence the "very disappointing" comment.

Since RIT "only" shot 23-31 and still won by nine, couldn't an RIT fan say "we would have blown them out if we made our FT's"?

It seems the Utica fans are a bit testy after their "we're a different team this year, we'll win in Rochester" claims proved false.

[UCgrad45]

Considering that we missed six front end of one and ones, you might as well add another 6 attempts we would have had. They also were missed at key times of the game, greatly shifting momentum as most lead to 4 or 5 point turn arounds.

[superman57]

So yes you might have beaten yourself. but this adds to fact that if you can't beat the weaker of the two big rochester teams then your gonna have a hell of a chance against Fisher at Fisher.

[UCgrad45]

So yes you might have beaten yourself. but this adds to fact that if you can't beat the weaker of the two big rochester teams then your gonna have a hell of a chance against Fisher at Fisher.

By that logic, I could just as easily claim we can beat Fisher at Fisher because naz beat them there and we beat naz on the road. I could even say Hartwick has a chance to beat Fisher at Fisher because they beat Naz on the road.

[superman57]

yes but then you are negating the fact that Naz is next door to fisher and Fisher's biggest rival.  This is by far the biggest rival in the Empire 8 and these teams get fired up to play each other, this was Naz's national championship game.  I don't see utica or hartwick getting the crowd support or the emotion to beat fisher.  I hope that birdman and anyone else who was at the Fisher-Naz game can back me up. One I doubt that the Fisher utica or Fisher Hartwick games will sell-out,  Fisher Naz always sells out during the womens game.  So yes Hartwick could beat fisher and Utica could beat fisher BUT the game is different

[hoopfan17]

Just want to say congratulations to Hartwick for a great win at Nazareth.  Cocozziello played a great game, not to mention they were successful without Anthony Brown (their second leading scorer and leading rebounder) due to illness. 

[notjoshreed]

 
Superman, naz did playlike it was their championship game, fisher let them hang around and never put them away.  Emotion of the crowd was high and the atmosphere electric.  It was a fun game even with a fisher loss.  I look forward to the return game at Naz.  It's naz's home court but do not believe that naz can muster the strenght to beat fisher two times in a row.   Naz played real well to win and to comeback especialy with Canori being shut down by Bennett.   (I predict that Bennett keeps Canori to under 10 the second time) Fisher Alum was correct in saying good wins for Fisher this weekend but they do need to improeve, make foul shots and put teams away in order to go into the the Empire Eight tournament the Elite team of the league.

Yes Bellis did have 15 but only 9 from the floor and two of that was the fast break 2 point layup that brought Bellis to 1000 points.  Six of the points were foul shots, so I still think Bennet did a great job on Bellis and should be considered as defensive player of the year

[Jukebox Hero]

All I have to say is that even Hartwick might have a chance of beating Syracuse.....they're pretty even. And that's not praise on Hartwick.

[bamm]

That Hartwick over Naz score, at Naz, is mind-boggling.  Having seen both teams play, there is no doubt in my mind that Naz has better players at every position.  Just wow.