MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

CNU has a nice team and will do well going forward.  But, they should do well, playing against mainly private schools (within the ODAC and DIII as a whole) where tuition and costs are twice, threefold, or maybe even quadruple. Given their size, cost advantage, and state funded facilities, CNU should be favored on the court and on the fields.  So, suggesting that CNU join the ODAC is not a good idea.

State schools make up about 25% of Division III and in the current playoff structure (three pools), state schools have won 22% of the national titles.
In the previous decade, that slips to 19%.

I think your strawman is a little weak.

[y_jack_lok]

CNU has a nice team and will do well going forward.  But, they should do well, playing against mainly private schools (within the ODAC and DIII as a whole) where tuition and costs are twice, threefold, or maybe even quadruple. Given their size, cost advantage, and state funded facilities, CNU should be favored on the court and on the fields.  So, suggesting that CNU join the ODAC is not a good idea.

State schools make up about 25% of Division III and in the current playoff structure (three pools), state schools have won 22% of the national titles.
In the previous decade, that slips to 19%.

I think your strawman is a little weak.

That's interesting about the percentage of national titles. Do you know if that holds true in other sports? Also, when it comes to regular season competition in men's basketball (and other sports as well) do state schools tend to have better records overall, or is that just too complicated to attempt to figure out?

[Macon]

CNU has a nice team and will do well going forward.  But, they should do well, playing against mainly private schools (within the ODAC and DIII as a whole) where tuition and costs are twice, threefold, or maybe even quadruple. Given their size, cost advantage, and state funded facilities, CNU should be favored on the court and on the fields.  So, suggesting that CNU join the ODAC is not a good idea.

State schools make up about 25% of Division III and in the current playoff structure (three pools), state schools have won 22% of the national titles.
In the previous decade, that slips to 19%.

I think your strawman is a little weak.

I appreciate the stats and I find them interesting.  But this 30,000 foot macro view isn't relevant to my 'strawman' concerning CNU and the ODAC.  I'm specifically looking at CNU and its resources in relation to the average ODAC school.  Sure, RMC can compete currently with CNU in football and basketball, but most ODAC schools may not.  I'm simply saying that it's not a level playing field as it specifically pertains to CNU.

Let me take my thoughts one step further.  Maybe there should be two football championship levels in DIII.  Just like the FBS and FCS in DI football.  Or, just have another division, such as DIIII (which I vaguely think being discussed earlier).  Just some Friday night ramblings.

[Pat Coleman]

Subdividing D-III was discussed about 20 years ago. It never really got more than 25% support in any straw poll, and was dropped.

[Greek Tragedy]

CNU has a nice team and will do well going forward.  But, they should do well, playing against mainly private schools (within the ODAC and DIII as a whole) where tuition and costs are twice, threefold, or maybe even quadruple. Given their size, cost advantage, and state funded facilities, CNU should be favored on the court and on the fields.  So, suggesting that CNU join the ODAC is not a good idea.

State schools make up about 25% of Division III and in the current playoff structure (three pools), state schools have won 22% of the national titles.
In the previous decade, that slips to 19%.

I think your strawman is a little weak.

That's interesting about the percentage of national titles. Do you know if that holds true in other sports? Also, when it comes to regular season competition in men's basketball (and other sports as well) do state schools tend to have better records overall, or is that just too complicated to attempt to figure out?

Generally, the WIAC is one of the better conferences when it comes to non-conference win/loss% and they are obviously a public school conference. On the other hand, the UAA and CCIW are also traditionally among the top conferences in that category and they are mostly private schools, as is the NESCAC. There's occasionally been talk about the WIAC going D2, but that's usually after they win the Naty.

[y_jack_lok]

CNU has a nice team and will do well going forward.  But, they should do well, playing against mainly private schools (within the ODAC and DIII as a whole) where tuition and costs are twice, threefold, or maybe even quadruple. Given their size, cost advantage, and state funded facilities, CNU should be favored on the court and on the fields.  So, suggesting that CNU join the ODAC is not a good idea.

State schools make up about 25% of Division III and in the current playoff structure (three pools), state schools have won 22% of the national titles.
In the previous decade, that slips to 19%.

I think your strawman is a little weak.

I appreciate the stats and I find them interesting.  But this 30,000 foot macro view isn't relevant to my 'strawman' concerning CNU and the ODAC.  I'm specifically looking at CNU and its resources in relation to the average ODAC school.  Sure, RMC can compete currently with CNU in football and basketball, but most ODAC schools may not.  I'm simply saying that it's not a level playing field as it specifically pertains to CNU.

Let me take my thoughts one step further.  Maybe there should be two football championship levels in DIII.  Just like the FBS and FCS in DI football.  Or, just have another division, such as DIIII (which I vaguely think being discussed earlier).  Just some Friday night ramblings.

It seems to me that the main advantage state D3 schools have isn't necessarily one of "resources" but one of cost. Talented student athletes of limited financial means who have a choice between incurring little or no student debt to attend and play at a state school or a lot of student debt to attend and play at a private school are more likely (not necessarily guaranteed) to choose the state school. I'd say that's especially true in Wisconsin. Less so in other places with fewer state schools competing at the D3 level.

[scottiedoug]

There are of course major variations of resources, including scholarship money available for non-athletic criteria, within D3 and within conferences in D3. And in my part of the world the recruiting challenges for D3 are as likely from D2 schools as from richer D3 ones.

[thescottharris]

CANNON WATSON!! That's the guy!! Thanks Pat! Yeah they certainly didn't add much..... actually they took away from the game! Like  others  I tried to listen to our radio feed and it was too far ahead.... I should also have just turned the sound off but the guy was so annoying griping about the officiating that I wanted to keep listening.... All my HSC friends say the same thing.... The broadcasting took a big hit when Cannon was let go...

Cannon retired, he was not "let go"

[y_jack_lok]

None of today's ODAC final scores was close. Smallest margin of victory was 17 points.

R-MC's win at Lynchburg was a much more competitive game than the 83-63 final. Jackets had a six point lead with just under six minutes remaining. Miles Mallory had a perfect day on offense going 7-7 from the field and 6-6 from the free throw line.

[Macon]

Looking at tonight's slate, the RC/GC contest is clearly the marquee game.  Any thoughts from the RC/GC crowd?

[nescac1]

Weirdly, the last NON-WIAC state school to win a national title was Rowan in 1996 (they were loaded with high-level transfers, including a few prominent D1 guys as I recall).  Other than WIAC and NJAC schools, it's been (I believe) over 30 years since a state school from another conference was even represented in the title game.  In the same time period, loads of different private school leagues have had teams in the championship game. 

[hasanova]

Looking at tonight's slate, the RC/GC contest is clearly the marquee game.  Any thoughts from the RC/GC crowd?

Both teams played good defense tonight, but GC was better.  In fact, the Maroons were held to 19 1st half points.  GC led 29-19 at the half.  The 2nd half was 32-31 GC, but Roanoke was only able to draw within 6.

Huge 61-50 win for the Quakers.  Someone at the game said Guilford leads DIII in lowest defensive ppg.  Is this true?

[Seatfiller]

Looking at tonight's slate, the RC/GC contest is clearly the marquee game.  Any thoughts from the RC/GC crowd?

Both teams played good defense tonight, but GC was better.  In fact, the Maroons were held to 19 1st half points.  GC led 29-19 at the half.  The 2nd half was 32-31 GC, but Roanoke was only able to draw within 6.

Huge 61-50 win for the Quakers.  Someone at the game said Guilford leads DIII in lowest defensive ppg.  Is this true?

My Maroons didn't look too good last night from what I saw (I watched most of the second half).  Credit to GC though, we have another really hard one at home against Randolph Macon next.  This is a tough stretch, RC needs to prove they're with the elites (GC,RMC) in the ODAC.

[y_jack_lok]

Looking at tonight's slate, the RC/GC contest is clearly the marquee game.  Any thoughts from the RC/GC crowd?

Both teams played good defense tonight, but GC was better.  In fact, the Maroons were held to 19 1st half points.  GC led 29-19 at the half.  The 2nd half was 32-31 GC, but Roanoke was only able to draw within 6.

Huge 61-50 win for the Quakers.  Someone at the game said Guilford leads DIII in lowest defensive ppg.  Is this true?

Close. They are second: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3

[hasanova]

Looking at tonight's slate, the RC/GC contest is clearly the marquee game.  Any thoughts from the RC/GC crowd?

Both teams played good defense tonight, but GC was better.  In fact, the Maroons were held to 19 1st half points.  GC led 29-19 at the half.  The 2nd half was 32-31 GC, but Roanoke was only able to draw within 6.

Huge 61-50 win for the Quakers.  Someone at the game said Guilford leads DIII in lowest defensive ppg.  Is this true?

Close. They are second: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3

Thanks.  The Quakers are surrendering 54.6 ppg through 16 games (873/16), so last night's 50 by Roanoke should lower it to 54.3 ppg (923/17).