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[augie77]

Congratulations to Australia for doing such a splendid job of slowing the spread and saving lives.  These inconvenient policies seem to be paying off. 

[emma17]

After 111 days of lockdown where Melbournites have only been allowed to leave their home for 1 or now 2 hours day for four approved reasons (food, permitted work, healthcare or caring for others) we are free at midnight tonight.  Can leave our house for as long as we like for any reason.  But still cannot leave the metro area - police block all roads into and out of the area and only permitted travelers may pass.

The total number of active CV in the entire state of 6.7 million people?  87.  Yes, 87 cases in the entire state and now the cordon loosens a little.  Retail shops and restaurants (10 people total inside, including staff - so nothing is opening) open on Wednesday.  Total deaths?  807.  Since March.  Average age?  88.

So this is hell.  What a disgrace.

Welcome back to some degree of civilization Oz. I imagine the loosening of restrictions will result in some amount of spike of confirmed cases. Curious what happens then.
I sure hope they focus on the severity and not the case count for your sake. At some point people need to be allowed to make decisions in their best interest.

[SagatagSam]

After 111 days of lockdown where Melbournites have only been allowed to leave their home for 1 or now 2 hours day for four approved reasons (food, permitted work, healthcare or caring for others) we are free at midnight tonight.  Can leave our house for as long as we like for any reason.  But still cannot leave the metro area - police block all roads into and out of the area and only permitted travelers may pass.

The total number of active CV in the entire state of 6.7 million people?  87.  Yes, 87 cases in the entire state and now the cordon loosens a little.  Retail shops and restaurants (10 people total inside, including staff - so nothing is opening) open on Wednesday.  Total deaths?  807.  Since March.  Average age?  88.

So this is hell.  What a disgrace.

I'm happy to hear things are loosening where you are, Oz. Hopefully, the loosening will continue despite the seemingly inevitable increase in "cases" that will follow.

What do you plan to do with your newly partially restored liberty?

[MUC57]

Pat

Oops! Sorry! 

[Pat Coleman]

Pat

Oops! Sorry! 

I was more deleting the post you quoted, where someone felt it appropriate to flat-out call another poster a moron.

[BDB]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[jknezek]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

He also once said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Things are rarely as cut and dry as we'd like them to be...

[emma17]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

He also once said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Things are rarely as cut and dry as we'd like them to be...

Rarely, but in this case they are. We absolutely know who needs to be protected and we absolutely know the risk of death is miniscule to those not in the high risk category. We also absolutely know the demographics of who is contracting COVID- age and ethnicity/race. All of this science allows for better decision making- we just need the story to be told better. 

[jknezek]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

He also once said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Things are rarely as cut and dry as we'd like them to be...

Rarely, but in this case they are. We absolutely know who needs to be protected and we absolutely know the risk of death is miniscule to those not in the high risk category. We also absolutely know the demographics of who is contracting COVID- age and ethnicity/race. All of this science allows for better decision making- we just need the story to be told better.

Yes, everyone is susceptible to being a carrier. But yes, relatively few are at risk of death. And yes, I find many of the restrictions to be window dressing now that we have better information and it appears unlikely we will overwhelm the healthcare system.

That being said, prevention is still the best defense we have, and since anyone can be a carrier, some level of restriction on all people congregating in large unprotected groups seems reasonable to me with those most at risk responsible for going beyond that relatively low bar. The griping about freedom and rights, especially over something as simple as wearing a mask, seems as overblown to me as the fear spreading about infection and, especially, death rates. Unfortunately as polarized as we are as a nation, we aren't good at finding reasonable mediums, and even when we do, the extremists on both sides claim the mediums are still extremist plots.

Reasonable, middle ground compromise is darned hard to find in the U.S. right now and I'm not sure what it is going to take to make it happen.

[BDB]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

He also once said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Things are rarely as cut and dry as we'd like them to be...

Rarely, but in this case they are. We absolutely know who needs to be protected and we absolutely know the risk of death is miniscule to those not in the high risk category. We also absolutely know the demographics of who is contracting COVID- age and ethnicity/race. All of this science allows for better decision making- we just need the story to be told better.

Yes, everyone is susceptible to being a carrier. But yes, relatively few are at risk of death. And yes, I find many of the restrictions to be window dressing now that we have better information and it appears unlikely we will overwhelm the healthcare system.

That being said, prevention is still the best defense we have, and since anyone can be a carrier, some level of restriction on all people congregating in large unprotected groups seems reasonable to me with those most at risk responsible for going beyond that relatively low bar. The griping about freedom and rights, especially over something as simple as wearing a mask, seems as overblown to me as the fear spreading about infection and, especially, death rates. Unfortunately as polarized as we are as a nation, we aren't good at finding reasonable mediums, and even when we do, the extremists on both sides claim the mediums are still extremist plots.

Reasonable, middle ground compromise is darned hard to find in the U.S. right now and I'm not sure what it is going to take to make it happen.

My simple quote of Benjamin Franklin had nothing to do with current requirements of wearing face coverings in certain situations. I don't have a problem with that "ounce of prevention."

The extreme lockdown and restrictions in the state of Victoria, Australia and the city of Melbourne that Oz was posting about is what I was responding to.

[57Johnnie]

After 111 days of lockdown where Melbournites have only been allowed to leave their home for 1 or now 2 hours day for four approved reasons (food, permitted work, healthcare or caring for others) we are free at midnight tonight.  Can leave our house for as long as we like for any reason.  But still cannot leave the metro area - police block all roads into and out of the area and only permitted travelers may pass.

The total number of active CV in the entire state of 6.7 million people?  87.  Yes, 87 cases in the entire state and now the cordon loosens a little.  Retail shops and restaurants (10 people total inside, including staff - so nothing is opening) open on Wednesday.  Total deaths?  807.  Since March.  Average age?  88.

So this is hell.  What a disgrace.

To celebrate your partial emancipation we opened a bottle of Koonunga Hill Chardonnay!
+k 

[jknezek]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

He also once said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Things are rarely as cut and dry as we'd like them to be...

Rarely, but in this case they are. We absolutely know who needs to be protected and we absolutely know the risk of death is miniscule to those not in the high risk category. We also absolutely know the demographics of who is contracting COVID- age and ethnicity/race. All of this science allows for better decision making- we just need the story to be told better.

Yes, everyone is susceptible to being a carrier. But yes, relatively few are at risk of death. And yes, I find many of the restrictions to be window dressing now that we have better information and it appears unlikely we will overwhelm the healthcare system.

That being said, prevention is still the best defense we have, and since anyone can be a carrier, some level of restriction on all people congregating in large unprotected groups seems reasonable to me with those most at risk responsible for going beyond that relatively low bar. The griping about freedom and rights, especially over something as simple as wearing a mask, seems as overblown to me as the fear spreading about infection and, especially, death rates. Unfortunately as polarized as we are as a nation, we aren't good at finding reasonable mediums, and even when we do, the extremists on both sides claim the mediums are still extremist plots.

Reasonable, middle ground compromise is darned hard to find in the U.S. right now and I'm not sure what it is going to take to make it happen.

My simple quote of Benjamin Franklin had nothing to do with current requirements of wearing face coverings in certain situations. I don't have a problem with that "ounce of prevention."

The extreme lockdown and restrictions in the state of Victoria, Australia and the city of Melbourne that Oz was posting about is what I was responding to.

Yeah. It wasn't a direct relation between the posts. But I live in AL and the mask griping here is unreal. My parents live in CT, the fear mongering there is off the charts. There is a whole lot of unreasonable going on. But that didn't directly relate to your post.

[emma17]

It's not about having to wear masks. It's about being told I can't accept the risk of going here or going there if I so choose.

The IL Governor issued orders for Kane and DuPage counties last week (more announced for this weekend)- restaurants and bars could not serve customers indoors (curbside pick up and delivery are allowed). The people dying in Kane and DuPage counties aren't the same people going to the restaurants and bars. Just as with political rallies and BLM protests, nobody is being forced to go out. As jknezek said, those that don't want the risk can certainly isolate themselves.

Of course the deaths are sad and I hate feeling I need to even say that. We don't know how many people have died with/from COVID that willingly put themselves in a situation where they could contract COVID. I have no idea on the number, but I have no doubt there is some number of people, knowing they had serious comorbidities associated w higher chances of death, that elected to go here or go there because that's how they choose to live their lives. 


   

[jknezek]

It's not about having to wear masks. It's about being told I can't accept the risk of going here or going there if I so choose.

The IL Governor issued orders for Kane and DuPage counties last week (more announced for this weekend)- restaurants and bars could not serve customers indoors (curbside pick up and delivery are allowed). The people dying in Kane and DuPage counties aren't the same people going to the restaurants and bars. Just as with political rallies and BLM protests, nobody is being forced to go out. As jknezek said, those that don't want the risk can certainly isolate themselves.

Of course the deaths are sad and I hate feeling I need to even say that. We don't know how many people have died with/from COVID that willingly put themselves in a situation where they could contract COVID. I have no idea on the number, but I have no doubt there is some number of people, knowing they had serious comorbidities associated w higher chances of death, that elected to go here or go there because that's how they choose to live their lives. 


   

I don't  know how to say this, but you get told that all the time. Bars have to close at a certain time, lots of states have blue laws still about when and where you can buy alcohol or what time stores can open on Sundays. There are age restrictions on alcohol and cigarrettes and marijuana.  You can't drive without a license or car insurance. There are occupancy limits on EVERY commercial building all the time.

These freedoms that have been taken away? You NEVER had them. You have ALWAYS been limited. They have just tightened the limits lately for the common good. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[emma17]

It's not about having to wear masks. It's about being told I can't accept the risk of going here or going there if I so choose.

The IL Governor issued orders for Kane and DuPage counties last week (more announced for this weekend)- restaurants and bars could not serve customers indoors (curbside pick up and delivery are allowed). The people dying in Kane and DuPage counties aren't the same people going to the restaurants and bars. Just as with political rallies and BLM protests, nobody is being forced to go out. As jknezek said, those that don't want the risk can certainly isolate themselves.

Of course the deaths are sad and I hate feeling I need to even say that. We don't know how many people have died with/from COVID that willingly put themselves in a situation where they could contract COVID. I have no idea on the number, but I have no doubt there is some number of people, knowing they had serious comorbidities associated w higher chances of death, that elected to go here or go there because that's how they choose to live their lives. 


   

I don't  know how to say this, but you get told that all the time. Bars have to close at a certain time, lots of states have blue laws still about when and where you can buy alcohol or what time stores can open on Sundays. There are age restrictions on alcohol and cigarrettes and marijuana.  You can't drive without a license or car insurance. There are occupancy limits on EVERY commercial building all the time.

These freedoms that have been taken away? You NEVER had them. You have ALWAYS been limited. They have just tightened the limits lately for the common good. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

We certainly see it differently. I don't argue your point about limitations (heck, I still don't agree in a law requiring seatbelts for adults), however, to me there's a world of difference between reasonable operating hours and shutting down a business. We all have boundaries we live within.