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[MadRedFan]

Time for a little uncharacteristic optimism 

Seeing reports that the flu season in the southern hemisphere has been greatly suppressed. While the flu is contagious, it's likely less so than the 'rona so measures to limit the spread of 'rona seem to be having a strong impact on the flu. Hopefully that can carry through to our flu season when our beloved little germ vectors are back in school.

If any of you had the chance to view the public medical press conference held yesterday near the nation's capital by several leading physicians who have been in the thick of treating covid patients, you would have heard eye-opening information. The risk and actual percentage of young children in schools for transmitting covid is essentially nil. But not so in the college age, young adult and older adult populations. Also, these specialists have been treating hospitalized patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and zinc and have not lost one patient over 350 in one situation in Houston and rhose were all elderly patients with covid comorbidity risk factors AND no drug complications from hydroxy ( the correct doses were used AND this is being used for prophylaxis in front line responders/providers.)
Having a daughter who is an elementary teacher, the info regarding the school children made me feel better about their opening safely of schools, with the safety prevautions of course. I'm not so sure, however, about the other info since our youngest daughter works at Hope-am a little apprehensive.
If you get a chance to view the physician press conference from yesterday, I would recommend it. Very infirmationak- the truth for once instead of the misinfirmation and simply wrong and dishonest info that has been spewed from some media outlets.

I would be careful with that one formerd3db. Simone Gold MD, the ringleader, has done a number of videos outside Cedar Sinai, leading people to believe she is a physician there. Cedar has said they have no record of her employment and the state of California doesn't have her practicing anywhere in the last 3 years, even though she claimed to be treating COVID victims in an inner city LA hospital. She is an active member of the House Freedom Caucus as well.

The physician touting HCQ can be seen in a bizarre ministry video https://twitter.com/cineaste_c/status/1287966476876435456?s=21 .
She qualifies herself as a deliverance minister and has a cash pay clinic setup in her ministry. She has made threatening videos online asking for Dr Fauci's urine samples.

There is a lot of misinformation on both sides, and this appears to be another form of it, with disingenuous physicians that aren't actually practicing on the frontlines, with funding from extremist groups.

Amen.  Social media already taking down the video.  Fake news and all of that. If this is the video:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

A video featuring a group of doctors making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube after going viral online Monday.

The video, published by the right-wing media outlet Breitbart News, featured a group of people wearing white lab coats calling themselves "America's Frontline Doctors" staging a press conference in front of the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC.

[repete]

Yeah, google Stella Immanuel, who gets a lot of air time in the video

Not sure about the other "docs" -- some of whom at least appear to have actual creds. I'm guessing there is some crazy vetting ahead.

[SagatagSam]

MIAC fall sports officially moved to spring. For now

https://www.startribune.com/e-mail-from-macalester-president-confirms-miac-s-fall-sports-postponement/571922162/

I heard this morning that our friends over in the WIAC have cancelled fall sports, namely football:

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/state-and-regional/wiac-cancels-postpones-fall-sports-due-to-covid-19/article_a59bea9a-0c41-59c9-87c9-a6d8c3e06900.html

[SagatagSam]

But hey, silver lining is that WIAC women's tennis and women's golf will move to the spring semester. So, there's that.

[art76]

Looks official now: https://athletics.bethel.edu/news/2020/7/28/general-miac-postpones-select-fall-sports-to-the-spring.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2Tw6DEvmrL-MMIYWNYT3C-qH6URQEC3DJbgzqUt59F__1Eab7i5_Snou4

[DuffMan]

Yup.  Just got an email from SJU stating that my season tickets will transfer to fall 2021.

[sjusection105]

Yup.  Just got an email from SJU stating that my season tickets will transfer to fall 2021.

As Finsleft told me "money flows into St. John's, it doesn't flow out......"

[SagatagSam]

Yup.  Just got an email from SJU stating that my season tickets will transfer to fall 2021.

So, what is all this spring 2021 talk about?

[SagatagSam]

[DuffMan]

So, what is all this spring 2021 talk about?

I quote:

The MIAC Presidents Council has decided to postpone the football season, with the hopes of playing this spring. With all the unknowns during this pandemic and future schedules, all season ticket renewals that were paid will be good for the Fall 2021 Johnnie Football Season.

Because we are unsure how many home games and capacity allowed, more information will be provided about the spring football season once it becomes available. These spring games will not be included in the Fall 2021 Football Season. Ticket information will become available at later date. 

[formerd3db]

Time for a little uncharacteristic optimism 

Seeing reports that the flu season in the southern hemisphere has been greatly suppressed. While the flu is contagious, it's likely less so than the 'rona so measures to limit the spread of 'rona seem to be having a strong impact on the flu. Hopefully that can carry through to our flu season when our beloved little germ vectors are back in school.

If any of you had the chance to view the public medical press conference held yesterday near the nation's capital by several leading physicians who have been in the thick of treating covid patients, you would have heard eye-opening information. The risk and actual percentage of young children in schools for transmitting covid is essentially nil. But not so in the college age, young adult and older adult populations. Also, these specialists have been treating hospitalized patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and zinc and have not lost one patient over 350 in one situation in Houston and rhose were all elderly patients with covid comorbidity risk factors AND no drug complications from hydroxy ( the correct doses were used AND this is being used for prophylaxis in front line responders/providers.)
Having a daughter who is an elementary teacher, the info regarding the school children made me feel better about their opening safely of schools, with the safety prevautions of course. I'm not so sure, however, about the other info since our youngest daughter works at Hope-am a little apprehensive.
If you get a chance to view the physician press conference from yesterday, I would recommend it. Very infirmationak- the truth for once instead of the misinfirmation and simply wrong and dishonest info that has been spewed from some media outlets.

I would be careful with that one formerd3db. Simone Gold MD, the ringleader, has done a number of videos outside Cedar Sinai, leading people to believe she is a physician there. Cedar has said they have no record of her employment and the state of California doesn't have her practicing anywhere in the last 3 years, even though she claimed to be treating COVID victims in an inner city LA hospital. She is an active member of the House Freedom Caucus as well.

The physician touting HCQ can be seen in a bizarre ministry video https://twitter.com/cineaste_c/status/1287966476876435456?s=21 .
She qualifies herself as a deliverance minister and has a cash pay clinic setup in her ministry. She has made threatening videos online asking for Dr Fauci's urine samples.

There is a lot of misinformation on both sides, and this appears to be another form of it, with disingenuous physicians that aren't actually practicing on the frontlines, with funding from extremist groups.

Yeah, google Stella Immanuel, who gets a lot of air time in the video

Not sure about the other "docs" -- some of whom at least appear to have actual creds. I'm guessing there is some crazy vetting ahead.

Just so this is clear, I was not making a political statement regarding my post.  Second, those "other docs" definitely have credentials-among the top specialists in their fields (at UCLA and other prominent hospitals in that state) and all who have been treating covid patients.  Yes, we have to be careful with all the medical opinions that we've been presented with, although, certainly, some of the latter that have been negative not only have been blatantly wrong, but also have been put forth with a political intent.  That said, everyone of us has to make their own decisions based on the information they read and hear about.  Being in the profession, I can tell you that some of the negative so-called "studies" against some of the numbers and treatments have been extremely poor studies and for some of the prestigious long-time medical journals to have accepted those is no excuse (and, of course, as you know, two of those have been retracted.)  Also, some of the media outlets have had a bias in who they present as their medical experts (and some have not even treated covid patients.)  There have been at least four top specialists in the country (another one in California), in other states, a top infectious disease specialist, a top cardiologist, and also one of the top internists in the heart of NYC, who all have treated some to the sickest covid patients during this terrible crisis with the specific drugs we have been mentioning here and success AND without complications.  No one can dispute or prove otherwise. 

I do not have the definitive answers nor does any of us nor can any of us predict what might happen if we were to have symptoms enough to need treatment.  The bottom line is that if any of us were to contract the dreaded covid19 virus (and, obviously, I hope and pray that never happens for anyone here and/or our athletes), it comes down to you and I making that decision with our attending physicians as to whether or not if you would take the treatment based on the information you are provided (informed consent notwithstanding.) Taking it for prophylaxis is another question, however, the safety of it has been proven that in the correct dosages for such-and other non-covid diseases it has been used for decades, the chances of having side effects is extremely small, if that.)  Overall, it is a frustrating dilemma and this pandemic is nothing to take lightly at any time, including with our football and other athletic programs as has been the discussion and controversy in how to proceed and deal with potential scenarios.  At some time in the future, we'll have to proceed with return to regular seasons, yet, hopefully, by then, there will be more definitive proven treatments and, hopefully, a vaccine.  My point is, again, that we all need to take with consideration any and all the information we see in any and all of the media outlets and then make our own decisions based on that (and with your own physician if it were to ever, unfortunately, come to that.) Always has been controversy in this world in any aspect and always will be.  Thanks for allowing me to post my opinion here and I appreciate all of you having shared yours.  Just try and stay safe everyone, as best we can.

[repete]

I certainly saw nothing overtly political in your post, db. And I don't doubt your information on the research/results. Would be interested to hear if you thought the the FDA guidance was nefarious or simply inept.

Not claiming any answers and not a doc. But as I watched this thing take off on FB and Twitter, I was skeptical enough to look at it with a careful eye. Seemed hinky from the start. And while I agree pulling in all possible information is good, I think those folks I've seen on social media using this to fully counterbalance or negate Fauci, NIH and others are pushing a dangerous false equivalency.

Several things make me question this video:
1) If these folks have such great information, why is the demon-sex, alien DNA doc so prominent? The more you research her the stranger it gets.
2) Follow the money. This website is was less than two weeks old (and now, poof, gone), and funded by politically driven dark money. Were the funders driven by science? Doubtful.
3) Why the deception? Why does the top doc stand in front of Cedar Sinai with Cedar scrubs/coat when she's got no affiliation?
4) Putting politics aside, the journalistic practices of Breitbart are questionable by any standard.

The bio for the "Science Advisor" was Microsoft Lorem Ipsum dummy text most of the day

Got to say the attacks and threats toward Fauci, who has decades of non-partisan service, are crazy. Do I know how well he's doing on this virus? Nope. But casting him as a deep-state lackey after the years he's given this country is off the charts. That a 79-year-old career public servant needs a security detail is shameful.

[formerd3db]

I respect Dr. Fauci's dedicated service throughout his career. I think he has done as good  a job as anyone could, given the difficult circumstances and limited details of what has been known and is known about the covid virus. While he has made a few mistakes (so has the W.H.O.) and he misquoted the recent study on hydroxychloroquine today, he is certainly a top specialist in his field. Like you, I do not condone the attacks on him, that is wrong, nor do I believe he has used politics in his oversight on the task force.

But, I will say that I really don't care about any of the social media wars and vitriol.  You say follow the money, I say follow the results of those who are on the front lines in treating the patients- the results of successful treatment and saved lives are not lies and can't be disputed.  As I said, there will always be differemces of opinion in medicine, but physicians will always stand by the results of the own patients regardless of any published study.

[repete]

Not a big social media person myself, but since it's now one of the major means of communication from the top level of government, it's hard to avoid. Plus, it's become part of the metric in sensing the science vs. politics debate that rages on. (Personally,  I mostly use Twitter to avoid airline phone queues during delays, etc. But haven't flown since late Feb. so ....).

But if the hydroxychloroquine results are that telling, isn't the issue the FDA and its guidance?  Certainly, this administration has not been shy in intervening in agencies with which it disagrees ... so why hasn't it cleaned this up?

[Texas Ole]

I will admit I haven't watched the video.  I saw several people post it on social media, and most of them I don't take too serious.  I have a lot of friends that will buy in to any conspiracy theory craziness, and it is quite entertaining.  I may agree with them on many political issues, but some of their views it is hard to take serious.

I have a healthy skepticism towards science and medicine.  I believe there are great people in those fields.  I also know there are those that don't deserve my respect.  I have worked in the medical field, and I have seen the ugly underworld.  I know doctors who have put profits over patient care.  I know many who overcharge patients using high pressure sales techniques.  It is important to understand that science and medicine are self-regulated.  I think many feel comfortable criticizing other industries that regulate themselves.  They push for government regulation of those industries, but science often seems to get a pass.  I have a few friends that bring up the peer review system.  This works great until there is dissent.  What if a study contradicts another scientist's work?  What if a scientist challenges a strongly accepted thought?  This is when things get messy.  What if the peer review is never actually done?  I am not saying don't trust science or medicine.  I am saying that it is acceptable to question it.  I think that is true with anything.