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Mister36 · Last Edit: **Today** at 04:59:43 PM by Mister36

Looks like Benedictine losing was actually better, and they did, barely. They are now at the spot just under Bethel.

EDIT: Maybe not. Hopefully Johnnies winning ups the NPI by about .25...

DuffMan · **Today** at 04:50:14 PM

Quote from: gobigred425 on Today at 04:06:14 PMIt however does not protect them from Platteville, North Central, Wartburg, Bethel, Linfield, UMHB.

Oof.

art76 · **Today** at 05:00:57 PM

Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 04:49:44 PMLooks like Benedictine losing was actually better, and they did, barely. They are now at the spot just under Bethel.

EDIT: Maybe not. Hopefully Johnnies winning ups the NPI by about .25...

And Bethel's 10th game is yet to be factored...

Mister36 · **Today** at 05:03:57 PM

Quote from: art76 on Today at 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 04:49:44 PMLooks like Benedictine losing was actually better, and they did, barely. They are now at the spot just under Bethel.

EDIT: Maybe not. Hopefully Johnnies winning ups the NPI by about .25...

And Bethel's 10th game is yet to be factored...

I missed that, that might make a difference lol, thought they had that in.

art76 · **Today** at 05:07:46 PM

Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: art76 on Today at 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 04:49:44 PMLooks like Benedictine losing was actually better, and they did, barely. They are now at the spot just under Bethel.

EDIT: Maybe not. Hopefully Johnnies winning ups the NPI by about .25...

And Bethel's 10th game is yet to be factored...

I missed that, that might make a difference lol, thought they had that in.

I'm thinking we want Chapman to beat CMS, because if CMS gets the AQ, the loss for Chapman may drag down their NPI, but still be above BU's, putting two SCIAC teams in the tourney.

repete · **Today** at 05:10:25 PM

One "live" board had SJU at 7, while another had them 8.

So ... either one is slower at being "live" or the data is somehow fuzzy.

USee · **Today** at 05:32:40 PM

Bethel currently 1st team out in live NPI. An hour ago they were last team in. 10th game won't be a factor for Bethel since only their best 5 wins count toward's NPI.

art76 · **Today** at 06:47:27 PM

I was right - CMS winning pushed Bethel out of the tourney.

Mister36 · **Today** at 06:50:27 PM

Quote from: art76 on Today at 06:47:27 PMI was right - CMS winning pushed Bethel out of the tourney.

It looks like Bethel's "Seed" went up, as CMS is now a lower NPI but has an AQ, Chapman isn't in the mix. They're just first out because of .1 NPI differences with the teams above them.

sju56321 · **Today** at 06:58:52 PM

Anyone having sound issues?

Mister36 · **Today** at 07:02:33 PM

Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: art76 on Today at 06:47:27 PMI was right - CMS winning pushed Bethel out of the tourney.

It looks like Bethel's "Seed" went up, as CMS is now a lower NPI but has an AQ, Chapman isn't in the mix. They're just first out because of .1 NPI differences with the teams above them.

Apparently Coast Guard winning is the only way Bethel can get in now. They are down 20-14 in 3rd quarter.

hazzben · **Today** at 07:29:36 PM

Quote from: Mister36 on Today at 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: art76 on Today at 06:47:27 PMI was right - CMS winning pushed Bethel out of the tourney.

It looks like Bethel's "Seed" went up, as CMS is now a lower NPI but has an AQ, Chapman isn't in the mix. They're just first out because of .1 NPI differences with the teams above them.

I mean, you have no "seed" for a tournament you didn't qualify for. Bethel needs to get above the cut line before they are in discussions for a seed.

OzJohnnie · **Today** at 07:48:22 PM

From the Claude model:

What cost Bethel:

   •   The NESCAC: Wesleyan beat Trinity and Amherst won at Williams. That leaves a three-way tie at 8-1, so two NESCAC teams fall into the at-large pool, both ranked above Bethel. This was the 49% scenario from the Massey table.
   •   Heidelberg: it finished one spot ahead of Bethel. I'd projected Bethel slightly ahead; other teams' results moved the numbers the other way.
   •   Neutral, as expected: Mary Hardin-Baylor beat Hardin-Simmons, and Concordia (Wis.) beat Benedictine. The losers still rank above Bethel, so neither result changed Bethel's position.

What's still open:

   •   Merchant Marine vs. Coast Guard. If Coast Guard came back, Merchant Marine would drop to about 63.6 and Bethel would move into the 11th spot. Bethel needs that game to flip.

So it was the stinkin NESAC conspiring to qualify three teams. Not even the WIAC achieved that.

hazzben · **Today** at 08:17:40 PM

Rough way for the season to conclude, gut wrenching for a really great group of Bethel seniors.

Loved that we scheduled NCC, unfortunately NPI's current dials don't reward you for SOS or MOV, it's skewed to win percentage. We should be going out and finding the best MWC, NACC, UMAC, SCIAC, NCAC, or HCAC teams we can for the non-con game.

The reality is, there are like 40-50 programs that care to have the field be a strong as possible, the rest of D3 admins are totally content to let it stay skewed and broken.

The problem with finding a good team from a weak league, is that most of those schools won't schedule a Bethel or SJU or Wartburg or top WIAC/CCIW team. So they won't tweak the dials and make it a field for the best at large teams, and they won't schedule top teams in non-con play.