MBB: Midwest Conference

[systemfan86]

JeffP/Systemfan86,

I will be paid "Officials rate" for my last post right

Absolutely, Roop. As we agreed, the rate is the same as the price of the flavor in a Saints Rest Roopacinno!

Man, I'm glad you threw out the age reference. I was thinking it, but decided against it.

[Early]

I have just gotten back to the computer today from Friday so I had to catch up on scores and comments. 
First, a Grinnell team should NEVER be out fouled.  Give any fan that statement....I trapping, high octane team fouls.  How can they have fewer fouls than the other team.  As far as anything else, I wasn't at any games so I can't complain about the officiating, just stating and obvious statement.
Then a little sweet irony that Ripon goes 1-1 on the road, and Monmouth goes 0-2 at home.

Glad to see that Ripon played better.  A win at the impossible @ Monmouth, and from what jeffp wrote, Ripon played a good game @ Grinnell. (thanks for the update jeffp  ) 

[hjmphelp]

Man, you guys should listen more to 'the Roop" (yikes! did I just say that? ). We have had this discussion soooooooo (to quote d3bbfan) many times since I've been posting here it gets to be a bit silly. If you will (try to) remember, last year I mentioned that I thought the officiating had gotten better in the conference in the last few years but that I thought maybe it had slid a little during the year. I have mentioned before that I wish the  genepool for d3 officials in the midwest was better. One thing we can all do is keep asking conference administrators to make sure that officials are prepared for MWC ball and for system ball. Yes, believe it or not, we complain about officiating too. We think YOU guys get homers way more than we do. So what does that mean? Absolutely nothing unless you complain to the right people. I know letters have been written to conference administrators, and I know the letters have been responded to. Be cogent, make a solid arguement and they will listen. Just don't expect me or other GC fans to listen to you prattle on about how bad the oafs are here every time you get smoked by the system, and we won't do it when you guys beat us at your place. POINTLESS!

d3bbfan- are you a "somewhere between 6 and 12 year old" Grinnell fan or parent? Those were the only folks sitting in the endzone besides the guy who got ejected.

gobucs- I still don't see why you had to single out the "black offical". Have you ever singled out the "caucasian official"? Just ripping on the "official" is sufficient for conversation on this board IMHO.

[hjmphelp]

One more thing about officiating-The Roop and I sat together at the GC vs BC game. We both complained about calls, we both comiserated about calls that went against our respective opponents. We both knew it could be much better (and it actually was on Saturday in the RC vs GC Game) but we both knew it was bad BOTH ways! Maybe if we  tried to 'integrate' fan sections or sit GC/BC/GC/BC or something so that we could all put the officiating in perspective.

The Roop-man that shot of your mug looks good!

[Old Fighting Scot]

According to the scoreboard.

Lawrence 82 Illinois College 57
Carroll 85 Knox 58
Grinnell 133 Beloit 105
Lake Forest 66 St. Norbert 59
bottom feeder Ripon 90 Monmouth 83 

Damn........

Old skool, i guess you cant see me eat crow, so ill just give you a karma boost.....

[Greek Tragedy]

OFS,

I returned the favor.   

[The Roop]

Man, you guys should listen more to 'the Roop"

Many already do and "The Roops" personal appearance is undeniable proof of that. When introduced by name people were friendly and polite, but nothing special. Then when they were informed that I was indeed "The Roop" proper accolades were paid. To which "The Roop" would say, "you may rise".

Players, staff, their family, friends, towns people in general, even teams from out of state came to become one with the New Roop Order; and it was good. Unfortunately Saints Rest only seats about 300 and there were at least that many awaiting "The Roops" arrival on Saturday morning. That doubled in less than an hour. Fearing that JeffP would be cited by the Fire Marshall "The Roop" chose to leave early.

While the millions and millions of "The Roops" fans have grown significantly in recent days, there is more work to be done. There are still a few lost ones out there who were unable to make the pilgrimage. So by popular demand (and because it's a payday weekend) "The Roop" will return to Grinnell for the Lawrence game as previously rumored.

[The Roop]

we went on to have our best morning of the year. Everyone must have thought you were still here!

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Cheeb]

Early,

The defenders in the Grinnell system are taught to avoid fouling
on the press in order to keep the game going back and fourth.  
Grinnell plays defense, but only for short periods of time. They want the
ball back and they do it by getting a TO or getting scored on.  Many of
Grinnell's fouls come after a long shift in order to get a new line of five on
the floor and others come on the occasional steal or block attempt.

On offense GC attacks at full speed posession after posession
looking to score quickly against five defenders who actually are
determined to stop them.  You can't deny that both the pace of the game
and the number of defensive posessions often lead to fatigure, slow feet,
and in the end, fouls.

While it isn't common, we can't sit here and assume that if another MWC
team had more fouls than GC than the officiating was bad.  It has to do with
many factors, including GC 3pt%.

That said, Grinnell got the majority of the close calls this weekend.  But overall
the officials were solid.


Beloit played alright but missed too many easy shots to stay in the game.
Ripon was solid. They looked exhausted but kept playing. Props.

Cheeb Da Cheetah

[gobucs]

I   want to put this Grinnell thing to rest but I have to get a few things off my chest first.  I drove almost 300 miles to see a great game at Grinnell.  It was the first time there and I was pretty excited.  Firstly I was impressed with were the facilities.  They are really great for that size school.  Secondly I like the system.  It brings excitement to the game for the kids, fans and conference.  I was impressed that the foodstand had brats to help me enjoy the game, even though the foodstand is in a funny location.

There were certainly some disappointing things also.  The Bucs didn't play well and didn't finish well.  The refs aren't good enough for this conference.I know that Grinnell is out on an island but I don;t understand  why you would let refs pull that crap year after year.  It has to get better or teams will start to forfeit and not make the trek out there.  Why waste your legs for the slim chance of winning and screw up your chance of winning on Saturday somewhere else.    Lastly, somebody has to tell the students that they should try to show some class.  Calling timeouts for teams, tugging on opponents shorts when they are throwing the ballin, and disrespect for the opponent isn't good enough also.  Are they really  what the average student at Grinnell is like.  I hope not.

I was guess that's why we haven't heard from Ripon's Fans that made the trip.  They were smarter than me and didn't waste their time.

[systemfan86]

Man, you guys should listen more to 'the Roop"

Many already do and "The Roops" personal appearance is undeniable proof of that. When introduced by name people were friendly and polite, but nothing special. Then when they were informed that I was indeed "The Roop" proper accolades were paid. To which "The Roop" would say, "you may rise".

Players, staff, their family, friends, towns people in general, even teams from out of state came to become one with the New Roop Order; and it was good. Unfortunately Saints Rest only seats about 300 and there were at least that many awaiting "The Roops" arrival on Saturday morning. That doubled in less than an hour. Fearing that JeffP would be cited by the Fire Marshall "The Roop" chose to leave early.

While the millions and millions of "The Roops" fans have grown significantly in recent days, there is more work to be done. There are still a few lost ones out there who were unable to make the pilgrimage. So by popular demand (and because it's a payday weekend) "The Roop" will return to Grinnell for the Lawrence game as previously rumored.

Your honor, I submit exhibit A in the "The Roop is a legend in his own mind" case!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If they were really tugging on the shorts, that's a little over the line, but in my opinion, crazy, rediculous, often disresepctful fans are part of the home court.  I've never been to Darby, but in general the fans picking verbal fights with players and coaches all lead to the betterment of the team.  Obviously some people take it too far, profanity is unnecessary and everyone needs to keep things in perspective (its a game), but its one of the main reasons I enjoy basketball.

You just have to be able to shake the guys' hand and say good game afterwards, no matter how much yelling you did during play.

[hjmphelp]

Gobucs-
Yeah, I know that Grinnell fans are terrible. Every other school in the conference is so well behaved. I know that at Larry they all sit quietly during the game. At Knox and Monmouth they sing the opponents fight song in a show of sportsmanship. At Carroll and Ripon they sit on their hands and clap quietly at good stuff from both teams. At Beloit, they are so mannerly that they don't even show up at games half the time.
GOOOD GRRRIEF!!!!

sf86- 'the roop' spent most of Saturday morning at Saints Rest looking for his mind actually. I promised him I would send it to him c/o Pat Coleman if it shows up.

Hoops Fan- no, nobody pulled anyone's shorts. What a ridiculous hoot of a whine that is. Although, they (the student section) may have managed to call the time out mentioned, it was hard to tell. If so, it was one of the funniest stunts I have ever seen at a game; all credit to the Baseball team!

[hjmphelp]

BTW- the time out was never credited to BC and they retained possesion.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The timeout thing is awesome, right up there with some of the stuff I pulled of as a student.  I'd be proud to be in that class.