MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

Jake Willems is going up the river -- literally -- from Augustana to Loras.

[north central]

Do you guys think there's anything that can be done ( besides money ) to prevent the top 3-5 non seniors in the league from transferring every year? Seriously because any first or second team all conference player is certainly good enough to play d2 at least?

[Gregory Sager]

No.

There's never been any rule or policy in college sports that prevented a player from transferring. Mandatory sit-out-a-year rules (whether within a league or interdivisional) did provide obstacles, but they couldn't prevent what has always been every student's right. College isn't the Army; you don't sign up for a binding four-year commitment from which there is no escape.

Transfers have been a part of college sports forever. The portal simply added convenience -- and, thus, acceleration to a trend towards increased transferring that was already growing -- to a truth of academic life that has always existed. And NIL added incentive.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

No.

There's never been any rule or policy in college sports that prevented a player from transferring. Mandatory sit-out-a-year rules (whether within a league or interdivisional) did provide obstacles, but they couldn't prevent what has always been every student's right. College isn't the Army; you don't sign up for a binding four-year commitment from which there is no escape.

Transfers have been a part of college sports forever. The portal simply added convenience -- and, thus, acceleration to a trend towards increased transferring that was already growing -- to a truth of academic life that has always existed. And NIL added incentive.

Makes me wonder if the relative "ease of transferring" in the portal era might be a reason for the CCIW (or any other league) to change its inter-conference transfer policy.  Thoughts?

[Jbothe]

Anyone have insight to the basketball struggles at Augustana?  Surprised to see the players transfer out that did.

CCIW always seems better when Augustana is relevant.

[Gregory Sager]

Anyone have insight to the basketball struggles at Augustana?  Surprised to see the players transfer out that did.

CCIW always seems better when Augustana is relevant.

Hard disagree with that last sentence -- especially since Chris and Dan aren't calling Augie games anymore.

[Titan Q]

Transfers have been a part of college sports forever. The portal simply added convenience -- and, thus, acceleration to a trend towards increased transferring that was already growing -- to a truth of academic life that has always existed. And NIL added incentive.

The transfer portal has added convenience for sure.

NIL $$ is the huge difference maker though. The amount of $$ guys like Noah Cleveland (Illinois State) and Jalen Overway (UW-Green Bay) have been guaranteed would shock most people. 

Before, a superstar D3 student-athlete with D1 ability might be willing/able to pay tuition instead of accepting a D1 scholarship. But now, the NIL $$ in many of these D3 to D1 transfer situations is just simply impossible to pass up...it can be significantly more than the value of the scholarship.

[Gregory Sager]

Transfers have been a part of college sports forever. The portal simply added convenience -- and, thus, acceleration to a trend towards increased transferring that was already growing -- to a truth of academic life that has always existed. And NIL added incentive.

The transfer portal has added convenience for sure.

NIL $$ is the huge difference maker though. The amount of $$ guys like Noah Cleveland (Illinois State) and Jalen Overway (UW-Green Bay) have been guaranteed would shock most people. 

Before, a superstar D3 student-athlete with D1 ability might be willing/able to pay tuition instead of accepting a D1 scholarship. But now, the NIL $$ in many of these D3 to D1 transfer situations is just simply impossible to pass up...it can be significantly more than the value of the scholarship.

That's not what he was asking, Bob. He didn't ask a "Why?" question. He asked a "How?" question:

Do you guys think there's anything that can be done ( besides money ) to prevent the top 3-5 non seniors in the league from transferring every year?

IOW, "How can we stop the best CCIW non-seniors from transferring out?" The key word in his sentence is prevent. And my point was that there has never been a means to prevent a college student from transferring to another school. Disincentives such as sit-out-a-year rules are obstacles, not actual blockades.

Nor should there ever be a way to prevent a student from transferring to another school. As I said, it's college, not the Army.

[north central]

Transfers have been a part of college sports forever. The portal simply added convenience -- and, thus, acceleration to a trend towards increased transferring that was already growing -- to a truth of academic life that has always existed. And NIL added incentive.

The transfer portal has added convenience for sure.

NIL $$ is the huge difference maker though. The amount of $$ guys like Noah Cleveland (Illinois State) and Jalen Overway (UW-Green Bay) have been guaranteed would shock most people. 

Before, a superstar D3 student-athlete with D1 ability might be willing/able to pay tuition instead of accepting a D1 scholarship. But now, the NIL $$ in many of these D3 to D1 transfer situations is just simply impossible to pass up...it can be significantly more than the value of the scholarship.

That's not what he was asking, Bob. He didn't ask a "Why?" question. He asked a "How?" question:

Do you guys think there's anything that can be done ( besides money ) to prevent the top 3-5 non seniors in the league from transferring every year?

IOW, "How can we stop the best CCIW non-seniors from transferring out?" The key word in his sentence is prevent. And my point was that there has never been a means to prevent a college student from transferring to another school. Disincentives such as sit-out-a-year rules are obstacles, not actual blockades.

Nor should there ever be a way to prevent a student from transferring to another school. As I said, it's college, not the Army.

So we just have to accept that any freshman or sophomore that's all conference will for sure be gone. I just hate that you can't keep teams together anymore.

[north central]

Anyone have insight to the basketball struggles at Augustana?  Surprised to see the players transfer out that did.

CCIW always seems better when Augustana is relevant.

If we being honest they hired the wrong coach 3 times

[north central]

The reason I asked about kids leaving and transferring is because like several others in this room I've followed the CCiW for almost 30 years and with my dad being a CCIW alum as well I love seeing great players an guys who have great careers. But it seems like there won't be any more guys like Steve D, Kent Raymond, Aston Francis , Landon Gamble , Derek Raridon or pick any other all American or multi time all conference player and that just seems impossible in this climate .

[Gregory Sager]

Not sure what "this climate" means in this context, but trust me -- I don't like this any better than you do.

I doubt that any of us do.

 I've followed this league for more than four and a half decades, and I've always dreaded the thought that someday it might come to this.

But there's no point in whining about a fait accompli. This is the hand we've been dealt in D3. We are now the lower tier of a developmental system for D1.