MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[tniem]

Well, tniem answered my question about whether there is a limit placed on the length of posts on this board. 

Geez, tneim, lonely out there in DC away from all our fun?   

Well, they say that if you stay in a region long enough you begin to pick up on the local dialect.  In this case long-windedness. 

And yes, I understand this posts sets me up for plenty of anti-tniem/Congressional jokes.


By the way, for those that responded directly to me on the board, I have responded to your posts by PMing you.  That way we can continue the discussion without mudding up this board.

[tniem]

This is probably going to draw a reaction from the Hope fans out there, but it's not really intended to...

I think Adrian would have been better off if they'd lost that coin toss and had to go to DeVos instead.  I think Adrian matches up better with Hope.  The Bulldogs really struggle with the size and physical play of Albion, and they've struggled at Kresge of late.  However, Adrian has played Hope pretty well the last few years, and just played a competitive game with them.  I think the Bulldogs play more confident against the Dutchmen than they do against either Calvin or Albion.

Anyhow, fire away Dutch fans .

I'm not sure what other posters feel about this but I do not take that as a slight.  I hope that my Dutchmen put you guys away just the same but I understand matchups.  In fact, matchups are what have gotten me a bit disappointed about Hope being on the bubble for the NCAAs.  Here's my thought:

Hope has lost two games this season, one to a rival and one to Albion.  The first one is going to happen to everyone some of the time, even if you are the better team.  Last year Calvin was a better team than Hope.  Yet, the game at the Civic was close and the Dutchmen pulled it out.  This year, the reverse and because of it Calvin won the conference crown.  No shame in that.  It is a rivalry.  It happens, see Ohio State v. Michigan where for many years the better team lost.

The second game to Albion is tough for the Dutchmen.  They do not matchup as well against Albion as Calvin does.  They have the talent to do so but as a Calvin poster posted before the first Albion/Calvin game, KVS is one of the best at teaching guys to defend the paint.  In the end, Albion is another bubble team that is dangerous and could do some major damage in the tourney.

So Hope has lost two games that matchups make difficult for them, rivalry and post presence.  I think most teams would struggle with those yet it leaves my Dutchmen on the bubble.  What a messed up system. 

So, in another long response to your post, no slight on matchups.  I understand that we would all prefer an easier game and I think most Hope fans would rather see Alma than Adrian. 

[tniem]

sac,

I may have missed it due to a lot of conversations this year.  But were we doing a MIAA fan poll this year?

[hope1]

yes we are it is on the eariler pages

[oldknight]

Concerning Mekes two missed dunks.
the first-may have been protecting himself but your not allowed to pull yoursalf up supposedly if protecting himself no T. However he definitely touched the ball while hanging which is basket interference. Calvin was awarded ball because it went OB off a K player.
the second-no one was near him. He was not protecting himself. Pulled himself up. Should have been a T. At least basket interference because he touched the ball again while chinning himself. Calvin got ball back and 3 point play. Very big swings in mommentum.

According to the written play-by-play on Calvin's website Meckes' missed first half dunk occurred at 18:06 and the next entry (on the Kalamazoo side of the page) reads "Rebound (Def) by (Team)." The next entry (also on the Kalamazoo side) reads "Turnover by Mat Kellogg."

Meckes' missed second half dunk occurred at 12:24 when Calvin was barely clinging to a 48-47 lead. The written play-by-play shows that Chappell rebounded the miss and that was followed by by Trewhella's 3 point play to give the Knights 51-47 lead. Obviously the ref's decision to not call a T combined with Trewhella's basket and free throw was a big moment in the game.

[ziggy]

Concerning Mekes two missed dunks.
the first-may have been protecting himself but your not allowed to pull yoursalf up supposedly if protecting himself no T. However he definitely touched the ball while hanging which is basket interference. Calvin was awarded ball because it went OB off a K player.
the second-no one was near him. He was not protecting himself. Pulled himself up. Should have been a T. At least basket interference because he touched the ball again while chinning himself. Calvin got ball back and 3 point play. Very big swings in mommentum.

According to the written play-by-play on Calvin's website Meckes' missed first half dunk occurred at 18:06 and the next entry (on the Kalamazoo side of the page) reads "Rebound (Def) by (Team)." The next entry (also on the Kalamazoo side) reads "Turnover by Mat Kellogg."

Meckes' missed second half dunk occurred at 12:24 when Calvin was barely clinging to a 48-47 lead. The written play-by-play shows that Chappell rebounded the miss and that was followed by by Trewhella's 3 point play to give the Knights 51-47 lead. Obviously the ref's decision to not call a T combined with Trewhella's basket and free throw was a big moment in the game.

I guess the refs cost Kzoo this one, just the like the two against Albion 

[albinomascot19]

Realistically speaking, is there any way 3 teams from the MIAA could get into the NCAA? 

Hope is a lock.   Calvin is right there too.  How many games does Albion need to win to go, all of them?

[bulldogalum]

Realistically speaking, is there any way 3 teams from the MIAA could get into the NCAA? 

Hope is a lock.   Calvin is right there too.  How many games does Albion need to win to go, all of them?

According to some posts below, you've got Hope and Calvin mixed up.  Calvin, apparently, is a lock, and Hope is right there. 

If it's me running the NCAA tournament, both of those teams are locks, it would be an absolute shame if either missed the tournament, regardless of what happens from here. 

There seem to be conflicting opinions about Albion.  I think if they made it to the MIAA Championship game, they would be able to make a really strong case for themselves.  But what do I know?

[albinomascot19]

Calvin had the best league record.....but Hope has the better overall record.  There is no way the NCAA Selection Committee, can leave either of them out.  And for Albion this is going to be a touch stretch, and they must find a way to keep surviving!  I sure would love 3 teams in though, we'll see what happens at end of the MIAA Tournament.

[ziggy]

Calvin had the best league record.....but Hope has the better overall record.  There is no way the NCAA Selection Committee, can leave either of them out.  And for Albion this is going to be a touch stretch, and they must find a way to keep surviving!  I sure would love 3 teams in though, we'll see what happens at end of the MIAA Tournament.

Actually, In the eyes of the committee, Calvin has the better record at 11-1 in region compared to Hope's 14-2.  Calvin also holds the advantage in QOWI so based on the regional ranking criteria, there really is no way Calvin shouldn't be ahead of Hope in the next regional rankings.

[sac]

Well Brandon Crawford set a all-time MIAA record for FG% in a single season going 109-154 in 14 games.  The new top 4.....

BEST FIELD GOAL SHOOTING PERCENTAGE

.708 Brandon Crawford, Albion 2005-06 (109-154)
.705 Steve Honderd, Calvin, 1991-92 (91-129)
.684 Wade Gugino, Hope, 1991-92 (91-133)
.684 Steve Honderd, Calvin, 1989-90 (81-117)

This a very impressive record to break imo, both of the other guys on this list were all-americans.

Nice job Brandon! 8)


Hope's Marcus VanderHeide snuck ( ) into the all-time single season 3 point percentage leaders.

BEST THREE-POINT SHOOTING PERCENTAGE
.653    Greg Mitchell, Hope, 1987-88 (17-26)
.615 Jeff Reinoehl, Kalamazoo, 1989-90 (16-26)
.609 Marcus VanderHeide, Hope 2005-06 (14-23)
.596 Mike LeFebre, Calvin, 1991-92 (34-57)

.......I think all of these guys were forwards 

Congrats Marcus 8)

[ziggy]

That 3-point shooting percentage list is pretty weak considering Marcus averaged less than 2 attempts per game.

[sac]

Another nice accomplishment.  Hope set the second lowest points allowed average I could find going back to 1993.  Here's the best defensive pts. allowed teams I could find.......

Calvin 94---58.3
Hope  06---58.4
Albion 02---59.9
Albion 03---61.4
Albion 04---62.7
Albion 06---63.3
Kazoo 97---64.6
Calvin 05---66.6

6 of the top 8 have come in the last 5 seasons.

[sac]

That 3-point shooting percentage list is pretty weak considering Marcus averaged less than 2 attempts per game.

The MIAA requirement for listing is 1 made per game.....I'm assuming its the same for records.

[ziggy]

I know the requirement, I just think its weak.  Vanderheide isnt a 3 point shooter.  I give him credit for making a great percentage of the shots he took but to me its not even as close as impressive as Mo Brookins taking 110 3's and hitting on 40% of them.