MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[cmlundy]

Western's Non-Conference Schedule shapes up like this.  The game against Hope falls right after a trip to Spokane to face Gonzaga.  The Broncos have a clearly loaded schedule this year.  Western may not gain anything from this game but going by how Hawkins schedule's it would be a break from a difficult schedule.

Games Include
At Puerto Rico Tipoff Tournament (open up against Temple, others include Alabama, Purde Iona Maryland Wichita State and Colorado.
At Gonzaga, on 11/26
At Duke 12/30


Other Road Games
At Detroit, Oakland and South Dakota State

Home games: Duquense Southern Illinois and Wisconsin Milwaukee

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I must admit I'm excited about the chance to see the Dutchmen play at WMU.  No unrealistic expectations, just looking forward to the chance to play a D1.

Side note - interesting new look for this site - which I like at first glance.

[realist]

I agree with FDF.  At first glance this new format does have some nice features.  I especailly like the "search feature".

[sflzman]

My only issue at first was I couldn't find the PM but dumb me finally figured it out lol....

[oldknight]

Hope is going to play at Western Michigan on November 30

This is a real game and not an exhibition.  It makes no sense for a lot of reasons, but should be a good time anyway.  I would expect a nice group of Hope fans to make the short journey down to Kzoo.

I think its been exactly 20 years since Hope played a D1 in a real game.  CMU during the Elliot/Gugino era. 

I assume this is an in-region game for Hope.

My son--a recent WMU grad--found out about the the news the other day and eagerly called me to find out if I wanted a ticket. I think it would be an interesting game to attend even though I don't expect it to be all that close. Calvin isn't playing that night so I expect to be in attendance at University Arena.

As to whether the game makes sense, I believe it does and I find myself in agreement with Graham Couch's piece in the Kalamazoo Gazette. 

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/wmus_basketball_game_against_h.html

If you've never seen Flenard Whitfield play, I think our friends from Holland will come away mighty impressed. The guy is a stud who could fit nicely on any Big Ten roster.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

This marks the second straight August that Graham Couch has used the term "delusional Dutch" in his column about the WMU vs MIAA game. 

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/08/wmus_basketball_game_with_alma.html
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/wmus_basketball_game_against_h.html

I thought it was kinda funny when he wrote that last year, but his lack of fresh creative copy this year and his general condescending attitude towards the MIAA crowd rubs me the wrong way.  I certainly don't hear Hope fans or anyone from the MIAA barking about how we are competitive with the MAC conference, but he acts like we all have our heads in the clouds and need to be put in our place. 

Some sample quotes from this year's article: 
"For the insanely uninformed, it could be extremely healthy and enlightening." 
"Still, it'll be interesting to watch. And probably healthy for a some who live a bit north of Kazoo." 

Yup, just not nearly as "healthy" and "enlightening" as it will be for any Bronco beat writers who think they can hang with the Blue Devils at Cameron.....

[Flying Dutch Fan]

This marks the second straight August that Graham Couch has used the term "delusional Dutch" in his column about the WMU vs MIAA game. 

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/08/wmus_basketball_game_with_alma.html
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/wmus_basketball_game_against_h.html

I thought it was kinda funny when he wrote that last year, but his lack of fresh creative copy this year and his general condescending attitude towards the MIAA crowd rubs me the wrong way.  I certainly don't hear Hope fans or anyone from the MIAA barking about how we are competitive with the MAC conference, but he acts like we all have our heads in the clouds and need to be put in our place. 

Some sample quotes from this year's article: 
"For the insanely uninformed, it could be extremely healthy and enlightening." 
"Still, it'll be interesting to watch. And probably healthy for a some who live a bit north of Kazoo." 

Yup, just not nearly as "healthy" and "enlightening" as it will be for any Bronco beat writers who think they can hang with the Blue Devils at Cameron.....

What gets me about this "journalist" is how he accuses us (the delusional Dutch) of not understanding the realtionship of DIII to DI.  Not sure about others, but I won't go into that game expecting a Hope win, or that the final score will even be close (although I will of course be HOPEing for an upset).  My perception is that MIAA fans have a pretty solid understanding of DIII and where we fall in the world of sports. 

P.S. - I would LOVE to see this guy play ball against a DIII caliber player - Who's the delusional one now?

[Gregory Sager]

This marks the second straight August that Graham Couch has used the term "delusional Dutch" in his column about the WMU vs MIAA game.

Perhaps he just likes alliteration.

What gets me about this "journalist" is how he accuses us (the delusional Dutch) of not understanding the realtionship of DIII to DI.

It does seem as though he's operating with a set of assumptions that he doesn't consider necessary to test. Is he basing this upon conversations he's had with Hope and/or Calvin fans? Upon a comment or comments he's read on mlive.com? Or does he draw the inference that the muscular fan support that Hope and Calvin enjoy -- Hope outdraws every college basketball team in Michigan for home attendance, aside from Michigan, Michigan State, and Oakland, and Calvin outdraws a number of Michigan scholarship-level schools, too -- and the generations of success that both schools have had on the hardwood have produced fanbases that have no sense of perspective?

Honestly, it's sloppy journalism. If you're going to base one of the main theses of your article upon a specific conclusion at which you've arrived -- that Hope fans and Calvin fans suffer from delusions of grandeur in terms of how their teams match up against the big boys -- then show your cards. Let's see how you came to that conclusion.

My perception is that MIAA fans have a pretty solid understanding of DIII and where we fall in the world of sports.

It would be hard not to. While Hope and Calvin do quite well for themselves nationally within D3, it's not as though either one, or both, has dominated the sport on this level the way that, say, Mount Union and UW-Whitewater have done it in football or Kenyon has done it in swimming, or even come close to doing so. And if you're not dominating the D3 level, it seems to me that your fanbase, by and large, would be under no illusions as to how you'd fare against stronger competition.

[sac]

This marks the second straight August that Graham Couch has used the term "delusional Dutch" in his column about the WMU vs MIAA game. 

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/08/wmus_basketball_game_with_alma.html
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/wmus_basketball_game_against_h.html

I thought it was kinda funny when he wrote that last year, but his lack of fresh creative copy this year and his general condescending attitude towards the MIAA crowd rubs me the wrong way.  I certainly don't hear Hope fans or anyone from the MIAA barking about how we are competitive with the MAC conference, but he acts like we all have our heads in the clouds and need to be put in our place. 

Some sample quotes from this year's article: 
"For the insanely uninformed, it could be extremely healthy and enlightening." 
"Still, it'll be interesting to watch. And probably healthy for a some who live a bit north of Kazoo." 

Yup, just not nearly as "healthy" and "enlightening" as it will be for any Bronco beat writers who think they can hang with the Blue Devils at Cameron.....

Eh.......sounds like he hangs out with Kzoo grads  (probably plays b-ball with them at lunch, hence the "can hang with d3 caliber players").

I kid, I kid. 

[sac]

By the way, WMU has SEVEN players 6-7 or taller.


This game also comes at an interesting time for Hope, just 2 days before the MIAA/CCIW Challenge which for obvious reasons are much more important games on the schedule.  Friday's game is vs Wheaton, the one that counts the most (for Hope) in the NCAA selection process.

[Knightmare]

This marks the second straight August that Graham Couch has used the term "delusional Dutch" in his column about the WMU vs MIAA game. 

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/08/wmus_basketball_game_with_alma.html
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/wmus_basketball_game_against_h.html

I thought it was kinda funny when he wrote that last year, but his lack of fresh creative copy this year and his general condescending attitude towards the MIAA crowd rubs me the wrong way.  I certainly don't hear Hope fans or anyone from the MIAA barking about how we are competitive with the MAC conference, but he acts like we all have our heads in the clouds and need to be put in our place. 

Some sample quotes from this year's article: 
"For the insanely uninformed, it could be extremely healthy and enlightening." 
"Still, it'll be interesting to watch. And probably healthy for a some who live a bit north of Kazoo." 

Yup, just not nearly as "healthy" and "enlightening" as it will be for any Bronco beat writers who think they can hang with the Blue Devils at Cameron.....

What gets me about this "journalist" is how he accuses us (the delusional Dutch) of not understanding the realtionship of DIII to DI.  Not sure about others, but I won't go into that game expecting a Hope win, or that the final score will even be close (although I will of course be HOPEing for an upset).  My perception is that MIAA fans have a pretty solid understanding of DIII and where we fall in the world of sports. 

P.S. - I would LOVE to see this guy play ball against a DIII caliber player - Who's the delusional one now?

With statements and comments in his article like that it is about enough to spur this Knight fan to root heavily for the Dutchmen.  It would be great to see a big upset and the amount of crow he'd have to eat and what exactly he'd right about or say postgame.  Unlikely to happen but it would be great for the whole MIAA.  With nasty comments like that he is the one that has the superiority complex because WMU is DI.

[wiz]

With statements and comments in his article like that it is about enough to spur this Knight fan to root heavily for the Dutchmen.

"Dillusional" defined!

[sflzman]

By the way, WMU has SEVEN players 6-7 or taller.


This game also comes at an interesting time for Hope, just 2 days before the MIAA/CCIW Challenge which for obvious reasons are much more important games on the schedule.  Friday's game is vs Wheaton, the one that counts the most (for Hope) in the NCAA selection process.

Yes, i remember from Our game last year that evey one of their starters was taller than our tallest strter....

[Knightmare]

With statements and comments in his article like that it is about enough to spur this Knight fan to root heavily for the Dutchmen.

"Dillusional" defined!

Wiz, now that I've hit the 200 post mark you get my first + karma for that response.  Thanks for the reality check 

[oldknight]

School's in session soon and it's time to see what's happened on campus this summer. Tip of the cap to KS.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/08/van-noord-arena-gets-new-paint-job.html