MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

New Tiebreaker Rules for MIAA Tournament:

The top four teams in the 2012 MIAA men’s basketball standings at the end of the regular season will advance to the end-of-season AQ (automatic qualifier) tournament. The top two seeds will host the semifinal games on Wednesday with the winners to advance to the championship game on Saturday, to be held at the home court of the highest remaining seed.

Here are the tiebreakers that will be employed to settle qualifiers for the MIAA tournament:

1. In a two-way tie for the fourth seed, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team claims the tournament berth. If the two teams split the regular season matchups, a play-in game will be played on the Monday of the MIAA tournament week.

2. In case of a multiple tie, compare each team’s records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

Here are the tiebreakers generally used to determine seeding and home-court advantage for MIAA tournament play:

1. In case of a two-way tie, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team receives the higher seed.

2. If the teams in a two-way tie split their regular season meetings, compare each team’s record against the team that is in first place in the standings. If the records against that team are identical, go to the next team down in the standings until the tie is broken.

3. In a case of a tie involving more than two teams, compare each team’s records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the team with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

4. If the tie still remains, use the latest NCAA regional ranking.

5. If the tie remains after all other tiebreakers, the Commissioner will conduct a coin flip to break the tie.

Looks like it was Hopester. It's also up on MIAA.org if you click on Men's Basketball.

The big takeaway is that we can get the full tournament back if everyone agrees to go 7-7 on the season.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Wonder what they'd do in a three way tie for fourth (top three already clinched) in which the teams shared identical records versus everyone in the league. (This is not a possibility for this season).

Several options.  Standard dice, being six-sided, are easily divisible into thirds.  A rock-paper-scissors round robin or eenie meenie miney moe double elimination format should at least be in the conversation.  All good discussions for the offseason committees that deal with this sort of thing, officiating "points of emphasis", and other important issues.

[Pat Coleman]

New Tiebreaker Rules for MIAA Tournament:

The top four teams in the 2012 MIAA men's basketball standings at the end of the regular season will advance to the end-of-season AQ (automatic qualifier) tournament. The top two seeds will host the semifinal games on Wednesday with the winners to advance to the championship game on Saturday, to be held at the home court of the highest remaining seed.

Here are the tiebreakers that will be employed to settle qualifiers for the MIAA tournament:

1. In a two-way tie for the fourth seed, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team claims the tournament berth. If the two teams split the regular season matchups, a play-in game will be played on the Monday of the MIAA tournament week.

2. In case of a multiple tie, compare each team's records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

Here are the tiebreakers generally used to determine seeding and home-court advantage for MIAA tournament play:

1. In case of a two-way tie, head-to-head matchups are the first tiebreaker. If one team defeats the other twice in the regular season, that team receives the higher seed.

2. If the teams in a two-way tie split their regular season meetings, compare each team's record against the team that is in first place in the standings. If the records against that team are identical, go to the next team down in the standings until the tie is broken.

3. In a case of a tie involving more than two teams, compare each team's records head-to-head against the other teams in the tie, with the team with the worst record dropping out. Then go back to the two-team tiebreaker above.

4. If the tie still remains, use the latest NCAA regional ranking.

5. If the tie remains after all other tiebreakers, the Commissioner will conduct a coin flip to break the tie.

Looks like it was Hopester. It's also up on MIAA.org if you click on Men's Basketball.

The big takeaway is that we can get the full tournament back if everyone agrees to go 7-7 on the season.

+1

[realist]

So does anyone know who would get to host that play-in game?  Or would it be on a neutral court?

Don't think a "play in game" is realistic.  The MIAA would use coin toss to break the last tie.
If memory serves correct this may have already happened in one of the other MIAA sports that went the 4 team tourney route earlier.

They came out with new tie breaking procedures this week. In the even that there is a tie for the last spot, the only tiebreaker will be head to head. If they split, then they play a play-in game.

One of the Hope posters posted it the other day (forget who exactly, but I think it was NWChicagoCivicFlyingDewCrewConvert)

That is interesting because last fall when the Hope and Calvin women's soceer teams tied for 4th place the tie was settled by play against the 3rd place team Kalamazoo.  Hope had swept, and Calvin split their series vs. Kzoo.

I will defer on this, but going to a "play in game" sort of defeats the purpose of going to a 4 team tourney.  Just have to love the MIAA for establishing a set of procedures to settle ties, and than making an exception to those procedures.

[KnightSlappy]

So does anyone know who would get to host that play-in game?  Or would it be on a neutral court?

Don't think a "play in game" is realistic.  The MIAA would use coin toss to break the last tie.
If memory serves correct this may have already happened in one of the other MIAA sports that went the 4 team tourney route earlier.

They came out with new tie breaking procedures this week. In the even that there is a tie for the last spot, the only tiebreaker will be head to head. If they split, then they play a play-in game.

One of the Hope posters posted it the other day (forget who exactly, but I think it was NWChicagoCivicFlyingDewCrewConvert)

That is interesting because last fall when the Hope and Calvin women's soceer teams tied for 4th place the tie was settled by play against the 3rd place team Kalamazoo.  Hope had swept, and Calvin split their series vs. Kzoo.

I will defer on this, but going to a "play in game" sort of defeats the purpose of going to a 4 team tourney.

Not really, because you're still "deciding it on the court" while not paying for Olivet to go get thwacked by Hope.

[sac]

Anything that puts the MIAA coin in the 'museum of things we used to do' is ok by me.

A play-in game could be a real tough thing for the winner to deal with. If they won they would be looking at a Wed. trip to the #1 seed with one day to prepare, after having just 1 day off from their Saturday season finale.

[calvin_grad]

Anything that puts the MIAA coin in the 'museum of things we used to do' is ok by me.

A play-in game could be a real tough thing for the winner to deal with. If they won they would be looking at a Wed. trip to the #1 seed with one day to prepare, after having just 1 day off from their Saturday season finale.

They're 20-year-olds, they can handle it. 

[wiz]

Bryan Powell and I think there should be a slam dunk contest to determine the winner.

[sac]

Anything that puts the MIAA coin in the 'museum of things we used to do' is ok by me.

A play-in game could be a real tough thing for the winner to deal with. If they won they would be looking at a Wed. trip to the #1 seed with one day to prepare, after having just 1 day off from their Saturday season finale.

They're 20-year-olds, they can handle it. 

I agree, but 3 games in 5 days is much harder at the end of the year than Nov. or Dec.

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Bryan Powell's dunk was nice but it probably wasn't the best dunk in the region this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNv0yQghpGw


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[Hopester]

I agree, but 3 games in 5 days is much harder at the end of the year than Nov. or Dec.

As opposed to the three games in four days that they had to do in past MIAA tournaments?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I agree, but 3 games in 5 days is much harder at the end of the year than Nov. or Dec.

As opposed to the three games in four days that they had to do in past MIAA tournaments?

Yes, but in the past, both teams in the 3rd game were in the same situation.  They had each played 3 games in 4 days.

With the new tie-breaker, you'd have one team (the #1 team and conf champion) with 3 days off between games, and only 2 games in 5 days.  The other team, gets to play AT the #1 team, after only 1 day of rest, and having to play their 3rd game in 5 days.  That is a significant difference.

[sac]

I agree, but 3 games in 5 days is much harder at the end of the year than Nov. or Dec.

As opposed to the three games in four days that they had to do in past MIAA tournaments?

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good Monday afternoon thought.


but yeah, what FDF said.

[bballfan13]

So does anyone know who would get to host that play-in game?  Or would it be on a neutral court?

Don't think a "play in game" is realistic.  The MIAA would use coin toss to break the last tie.
If memory serves correct this may have already happened in one of the other MIAA sports that went the 4 team tourney route earlier.

They came out with new tie breaking procedures this week. In the even that there is a tie for the last spot, the only tiebreaker will be head to head. If they split, then they play a play-in game.

One of the Hope posters posted it the other day (forget who exactly, but I think it was NWChicagoCivicFlyingDewCrewConvert)

That is interesting because last fall when the Hope and Calvin women's soceer teams tied for 4th place the tie was settled by play against the 3rd place team Kalamazoo.  Hope had swept, and Calvin split their series vs. Kzoo.

I will defer on this, but going to a "play in game" sort of defeats the purpose of going to a 4 team tourney.  Just have to love the MIAA for establishing a set of procedures to settle ties, and than making an exception to those procedures.

It is interesting but it looks like the MIAA has decided to only do this for men's basketball so far.  If you click on the women's basketball link on miaa.org you will not see a play-in game listed as a potential tiebreaker.

[northb]

Does anyone know when the decision was made to use this tiebreaker format? 

[almcguirejr]

So, what happens if:

Adrian beats Kzoo
Trine beats Calvin
Albion beats Alma
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Calvin beats Olivet
Hope beats Trine
Albion beats Adrian

We would have a four way tie for second place (and the above results are somewhat plausible, only Albion over Adrian looks like a real upset). I'm guessing the league would use the "seeding" tiebreakers to determine the #2 and #3 seeds, and then the remaining two would play a play-in game if they had split the season series.

In the above case, Adrian would get the #2 seed with a 4-2 record versus tied teams. Trine and Albion would both be 3-3 versus the tied teams, and they would have identical records versus all teams. So they'd have a coin flip for the #3 seed. Calvin would play at the loser of the flip for the play-in game.

So, it appears possible that the winner of a coin flip could get the #3 seed, and the loser could find themselves watching the tournament via live stream. That's oddly fascinating to me.

Either that, or they just stick with the head-to-head-to-head-to-head results and Calvin has to stay home.

I like the scenario that has Calvin winning 2 this week and Adrian losing on Senior day at Albion.  Calvin would finish 2nd and have a home game in the MIAA tournament.

I would feel better about the Trine game if we can get some decent minutes out of Rietema.

Nate Snuggerud MIAA player of the week.