FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

HAPPENED TO MEETCHAPMAN QB TYLER PACHECO AT MY LOCAL WATERING HOLE IN ORANGE.
 
WHEN HE FOUND OUT I WAS A LINFIELD GUY HE LET ME KNOW THE PAMTHERS WERE NOT ONLY GOING TO DISPATCH LINFIELD IN MCMINNVILLE THIS SEASON BUT WERE GOING TO DO THE SAME TO HARDIN SIMMONS AT HOME.
YOUNG CONFIDENCE IS A HARDY THING.
I GUESS COACH BOB OWENS TETIRING LAST MAY WON'T BE A FACTOR.

[that guy 31]

Converting QBs to other positions is quite common.

Just thinking back on this. Josh Herrera (DB), Brenden Barkate (WR), Jared Fink (SS) were all All-SCIAC players at different positions for UR after being recruited as QBs. Jeff Thomas and Danny Ragsdale were HS QBs who became All-Americans at different positions for U of R (Ragsdale obviously moved back to QB for his Jr and Sr seasons and set the world on fire).

Ryan Gocong, who was CMS's all-time leading rusher until Justin Edwards broke his record last year was an option QB in HS. Brad Kertsen was a stud DL for CMS after a very distinguished HS QB career in the state of WA although I'm guessing QB to DL isn't quite as common.

Obviously lots of examples but those were off the top of my head. As someone else said, often in HS you make your best player/best leader/guy who takes it most seriously your QB so it makes sense that those traits can translate into success at other positions.

[that guy 31]

Finlandia has been closed for a while.
The number of days of practice before depends on when the first day of classes is and is not universally 23 days before.
"Under Maynard" what you describe is what the rules allowed and is basically how all D-III schools operated until the member schools voted in rules that were more appropriate for student-athlete well-being.

So I played D3 around the time that they were starting to make changes. My Frosh and Soph season we were doing 2 and 3-a-days for weeks before the first game. I remember they put some limit on it before my Sr season. Not as limited as it is now but something. I remember feeling like camp was a walk in the park that year. Very different world now.

[RFBredux]

Converting QBs to other positions is quite common.

Just thinking back on this. Josh Herrera (DB), Brenden Barkate (WR), Jared Fink (SS) were all All-SCIAC players at different positions for UR after being recruited as QBs. Jeff Thomas and Danny Ragsdale were HS QBs who became All-Americans at different positions for U of R (Ragsdale obviously moved back to QB for his Jr and Sr seasons and set the world on fire).

Ryan Gocong, who was CMS's all-time leading rusher until Justin Edwards broke his record last year was an option QB in HS. Brad Kertsen was a stud DL for CMS after a very distinguished HS QB career in the state of WA although I'm guessing QB to DL isn't quite as common.

Obviously lots of examples but those were off the top of my head. As someone else said, often in HS you make your best player/best leader/guy who takes it most seriously your QB so it makes sense that those traits can translate into success at other positions.

I played with Ragsdale early in his career at Redlands. Danny Green started at QB for Rags freshman season (1995) and Rino Marconi his sophomore season (1996) when Danny Green got hurt in the season opener. Rags had an injury and missed most of the 1996 season which allowed him get that year back medically.

He moved to WR for the 1997 season and played well (60+ catches) before moving back to QB for the 1998 and 1999 record breaking and Gagliardi trophy winning season.

He's a good dude who I got a long with, but there were quite a few on the team who didn't like him at all due to his ego. I never saw it as a problem, he was just cocky and confident which are traits I want in a QB.

[RFBredux]

Finlandia has been closed for a while.
The number of days of practice before depends on when the first day of classes is and is not universally 23 days before.
"Under Maynard" what you describe is what the rules allowed and is basically how all D-III schools operated until the member schools voted in rules that were more appropriate for student-athlete well-being.

So I played D3 around the time that they were starting to make changes. My Frosh and Soph season we were doing 2 and 3-a-days for weeks before the first game. I remember they put some limit on it before my Sr season. Not as limited as it is now but something. I remember feeling like camp was a walk in the park that year. Very different world now.

Same. Coach Maynard was diabolical for training camp when I was there. No soft **** allowed as we were pushed to the brink. Back when football was a man's sport.

[hazzben]

Meh, the whole "back when football was a man's sport" is simplistic. These athletes aren't sitting around playing Call of Duty in their dorms for most of camp. It's become much more mental and film driven. At top programs every rep of practice gets filmed and then a significant amount of time gets taken breaking that down and teaching from the film. So no, it's not 3 a days like in the 70's or 90's or whatever. But the mental grind is at a whole new level.

Combine that with the fact that off season programs have come light years from what even guys like me were doing in the early 2000's. My son is going into his junior year of HS. It's amazing to me to see the level of strength, speed, and nutrition work he's been doing since 6th/7th grade. We lifted hard in HS and especially in college, but it wasn't nearly as scientific. Go squat and clean and bench, rinse repeat ... college was advanced because we went from 3 lifts a day to 4 lifts a day with agility work mixed in (but still nothing like today's approach). Point being, any good D3 program will have a finely tuned offseason strength and speed program that brings guys into camp already in awesome shape.

Back in the day, a major part of the 2 a days methodology was that you were getting guys into shape during camp. Fast forward, these athletes from HS to D3 to the pro's come into pre-season camp in phenomenal shape. Camp is about taking that the final step, and also doing all the install work that you can't replicate in the offseason.

And to be honest, that level of intentionality with off season programs (plus player commitment) and film work is something that separates the haves from the have not's in D3. I was shocked to hear a decade ago about a perennial Top 10 program that wasn't filming practice under the previous HC and the new HC was shocked to learn how much the other top teams were doing it. They adapted immediately ... The game has evolved.

[RFBredux]

Meh, the whole "back when football was a man's sport" is simplistic. These athletes aren't sitting around playing Call of Duty in their dorms for most of camp. It's become much more mental and film driven. At top programs every rep of practice gets filmed and then a significant amount of time gets taken breaking that down and teaching from the film. So no, it's not 3 a days like in the 70's or 90's or whatever. But the mental grind is at a whole new level.

Combine that with the fact that off season programs have come light years from what even guys like me were doing in the early 2000's. My son is going into his junior year of HS. It's amazing to me to see the level of strength, speed, and nutrition work he's been doing since 6th/7th grade. We lifted hard in HS and especially in college, but it wasn't nearly as scientific. Go squat and clean and bench, rinse repeat ... college was advanced because we went from 3 lifts a day to 4 lifts a day with agility work mixed in (but still nothing like today's approach). Point being, any good D3 program will have a finely tuned offseason strength and speed program that brings guys into camp already in awesome shape.

Back in the day, a major part of the 2 a days methodology was that you were getting guys into shape during camp. Fast forward, these athletes from HS to D3 to the pro's come into pre-season camp in phenomenal shape. Camp is about taking that the final step, and also doing all the install work that you can't replicate in the offseason.

And to be honest, that level of intentionality with off season programs (plus player commitment) and film work is something that separates the haves from the have not's in D3. I was shocked to hear a decade ago about a perennial Top 10 program that wasn't filming practice under the previous HC and the new HC was shocked to learn how much the other top teams were doing it. They adapted immediately ... The game has evolved.

Redlands was a top 20 program when I was there in the early to mid 90's. We had 150 players in camp every season, and if you were not in shape and ready to go day one, you would find yourself last on the depth chart and on your way out of the program. It was a competitive environment, and 90% of the players came in ready to go.

Every practice was filmed from team to position group. And we had a robust strength and conditioning program back then with two early lifts per week in season, and an off season program that while voluntary (wink wink) in public perception, it was not actually voluntary. It was a spring class called Dynamic Fitness that was specifically designed for the football program, and guess what happened to players who did not take that class.

I say it was a man's sport, because that's exactly what it was. We had full contact in practice just about every day, so the physical challenge was high to go a long with the mental obstacles of doing it day in and out multiple practices a day for weeks.

Today's game is soft as ****. A flag on just about every play and defenses with hands tied behind their backs. That's the undeniable truth and facts!