FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[RFBredux]

UR Saturday Night

I agree with 10FWY for the most part.

Offense, O line did not look worse, What I liked...multiple offensive sets. Many more than the past and I am sure they have more. This makes the opponents defense work harder during the week on their game plan. I like how we tried to use the TE. QB has some work to do and improve, my hope since he has not played a ton he will get better.
Defense was tight, UR D line goes 7 deep, DBs looked pretty good but were not threaten a lot by GF qb. Our inverts are new and I am used to them coming up and supporting better on the run. I am sure they will work it the next two weeks. This is our greatest weak spot on D.

Kicking game, 1 out of 4 wont cut it, if we go 3 out 4, it would have changed GF play calling quit a bit. GF is not as good as they have been in the past, but a win is a win.

Yeah, saw some small hints of creativity that is encouraging from the new OC. Passing game has to improve significantly to have a chance against Whitworth at the Pine Bowl.

[olddog]

Redland's luck, we moved down the pecking order in cross conference schedule with the NWC, and of course Whitworth is looking like the best team in the league ....I agree with all the comments on Offense..., old football adage how well your season goes is how much you improve from week 1 to week 2. I hope UR hangs close. I watched Chapman too, they are a typical Chapman team scrappy and some nice skill players, HS is legit, and they hung with them pretty well. Chapman is tiny this year up front, but will still be the quickest team in the league and my clear favorite.

[that guy 31]

Didn't see the games but just looking at results and hearing from sources around the league it sounds like Chapman is the cream of the crop. Claremont's offense struggled, which I expected. But it sounds like they may have found their guy at QB in the 2nd half so maybe they'll improve. Their D is always going to keep them around but they'll need more on offense. Good win though against a solid opponent.

It blows my mind that Redlands can't find a quarterback. They used to have 16 on campus and 3 or 4 were always pretty solid. Another impressive performance by the Bulldog D but that won't be enough against better teams. Good win for Cal Lu but not much offense there either.

Pomona may be Chapman's biggest challenge. They have a legit QB/WR combo in Russo and Olson and they might be the only ones with the potential to score enough to stay with them. Long way to go.

[olddog]

That Guy, good take for not watching...I actually agree on how you stack them up.

Chapman...already stated why
Pomona, look pretty quick and athletic, but played a cup cake ...need another game if a true #2

It gets a lot more sticky...for the next group of three are real close...need another game

CMS, looked slow and struggled running the ball. UR defense is better than LF...but credit them for the win..UR is faster
UR, the QB play was not horrible, a few timing issues, couple reads etc...and qb play will be better ...if they play WW tough, then UR might be the third best going into league
CLU, not much there...no as bad as last year

LV, looked very JV like to me...lets see if they get better

[olddog]

Working on a theory ....as to why CA D3 teams are not better...as I always harp, it comes down to linemen
AZ dropped JC ball, Oregon and Washington do not have JC programs...AZ has club ball and Washington does too.

My premise is due to Junior College Football in CA it hurts SCIAC schools ....There are 67 junior college teams playing football in CA , and the upper half play at a very high level, somewhere between D3 and D2 in my opinion. When I played my ex mates that went to local D2 schools said our JC team would have beat them or it would be close. We had a couple part time JC guys end up starting in D2 and D3 levels too. There is talent here, it just does not make it to the SCIAC

CA Population 39.6m, used to be 40+ but guess who has run folks out...So for every 600k of population there is a JC team playing football, with the majority of kids coming from CA. Now not every JC kid can get into a CA D3 school, but I know for a fact UR looses kids to JC that have visions of playing D1 despite not having the tool box plus school is virtually free. I would just guess from known local HS players and a few JC head coaches, there are 10 to 25 kids on a JC roster that could have got into a SCIAC school,...So SCIAC schools like UR,LV,CLU,WU, and AP...could easily grab a couple more linemen...that would really bolster their program. What I am seeing any kid that has some good size test the JC market...unlike the Midwest, and our rival LF to the north.

[Dr. Doolittle]

Working on a theory ....as to why CA D3 teams are not better...as I always harp, it comes down to linemen
AZ dropped JC ball, Oregon and Washington do not have JC programs...AZ has club ball and Washington does too.

My premise is due to Junior College Football in CA it hurts SCIAC schools ....There are 67 junior college teams playing football in CA , and the upper half play at a very high level, somewhere between D3 and D2 in my opinion. When I played my ex mates that went to local D2 schools said our JC team would have beat them or it would be close. We had a couple part time JC guys end up starting in D2 and D3 levels too. There is talent here, it just does not make it to the SCIAC

CA Population 39.6m, used to be 40+ but guess who has run folks out...So for every 600k of population there is a JC team playing football, with the majority of kids coming from CA. Now not every JC kid can get into a CA D3 school, but I know for a fact UR loses kids to JC that have visions of playing D1 despite not having the tool box plus school is virtually free. I would just guess from known local HS players and a few JC head coaches, there are 10 to 25 kids on a JC roster that could have got into a SCIAC school,...So SCIAC schools like UR,LV,CLU,WU, and AP...could easily grab a couple more linemen...that would really bolster their program. What I am seeing any kid that has some good size test the JC market...unlike the Midwest, and our rival LF to the north.

So I would agree with almost everything, except some of the top tier JC programs would beat most D3 and D2 programs.  They have elite talent without the academic grades, so these studs who F-ed around in HS go until they can transfer to D!.

[10Freeway]

JC/state school cost is much more affordable, it is hard for families to justify going to UR to play football.  in 2000 the all in cost was 28k.  That was affordable for families.  80k is not.

For the 2024-2025 Academic Year
Tuition: $60,128
Standard Meal Plan: $4,620
Associated Student Fee: $350
Wellness Fee: $100
New Student/Program Fee: $300 (one-time)
Housing: $16,464 (average)

[RFBredux]

Working on a theory ....as to why CA D3 teams are not better...as I always harp, it comes down to linemen
AZ dropped JC ball, Oregon and Washington do not have JC programs...AZ has club ball and Washington does too.

My premise is due to Junior College Football in CA it hurts SCIAC schools ....There are 67 junior college teams playing football in CA , and the upper half play at a very high level, somewhere between D3 and D2 in my opinion. When I played my ex mates that went to local D2 schools said our JC team would have beat them or it would be close. We had a couple part time JC guys end up starting in D2 and D3 levels too. There is talent here, it just does not make it to the SCIAC

CA Population 39.6m, used to be 40+ but guess who has run folks out...So for every 600k of population there is a JC team playing football, with the majority of kids coming from CA. Now not every JC kid can get into a CA D3 school, but I know for a fact UR loses kids to JC that have visions of playing D1 despite not having the tool box plus school is virtually free. I would just guess from known local HS players and a few JC head coaches, there are 10 to 25 kids on a JC roster that could have got into a SCIAC school,...So SCIAC schools like UR,LV,CLU,WU, and AP...could easily grab a couple more linemen...that would really bolster their program. What I am seeing any kid that has some good size test the JC market...unlike the Midwest, and our rival LF to the north.

So I would agree with almost everything, except some of the top tier JC programs would beat most D3 and D2 programs.  They have elite talent without the academic grades, so these studs who F-ed around in HS go until they can transfer to D!.

I watched American River College vs Diablo Valley College online last weekend and they are both loaded with D1 talent. California JC ball in the top 25 is pretty elite play.

[SoCalLance]

Big weekend for SCIAC / NWC. I believe the SCIAC is a better conference for the 2025 season. We will know more after this weekend before conference play starts.   

Redlands -13   Whitworth University - 28 - Redlands offense still doesn't have enough fire power.

Willamette - 28   La Verne - 13 - New staff and system for La Verne. Not playing a real game yet will hurt them.

Lewis & Clark - 31   Pomona-Pitzer - 44 - PP coaching and system will win this game. Any time a team has to get on a plane to play a D3 game they are at a large disadvantage.

Chapman - 28   Linfield University - 14 - Linfield roster for starters week 1 looked very young. Unless they have a new batch of players playing that were coming off injury, I don't think they will hang with Chapman.

California Lutheran - 35   Puget Sound - 17 - CLU is improved with better athletes

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 21   George Fox University -0 - CMS defense is legit. Fox has no offense.

[SoCalLance]

In other news - Coach Mark Speckman has been hired as the Offensive Coordinator at APU. Great leader and much success at the D3 level.

[olddog]

So Cal, I think your spread on the LF games is too high, its a toss up to me. The UR game I think will be tighter, UR should have scored more (12 points) on GF ...but WW is a favorite for sure.

CMS should win but the spread seems high.

Fun stuff and why they play the game.

[Gray Fox]

So Cal, I think your spread on the LF games is too high, its a toss up to me. The UR game I think will be tighter, UR should have scored more (12 points) on GF ...but WW is a favorite for sure.

CMS should win but the spread seems high.

Fun stuff and why they play the game.

Linfield by 21
Whitworth by 21

[that guy 31]

Great win for the Bulldogs at the Pine Bowl! One of their best wins in years.

But what kind of voodoo witchcraft stuff does CMS have going on? A completely unbelievable finish. George Fox must be sick.

[that guy 31]

The video of the CMS winning TD is bananas. While it's a feel good win, the Stags should have some concerns. They only ran the ball for 56 yards while Fox rushed for over 150. Through 2 games the Stags have a total of 87 rushing yards and are gaining an almost unbelievable 1.3 yards per carry. People wondered how they'd replace a generational type player like Justin Edwards and so far they haven't at all. It is basically an actual miracle that they are 2-0. The CMS program resurgance was built on running the ball and playing defense. They are doing one of those things so far through 2 games. If they don't figure out how to do the other one, they're not going to be a factor in the SCIAC race.

I'll be in the house on Saturday for Stags at Pomona, The Battle of Sixth Street. Jonathan Samples would be offended to hear that the Sagehens rushed for just 30 yards against a suddenly good (??) Lewis and Clark. Might be a long night with all the passing at Merritt Field. Hopefully someone kicks a ball into the tree at some point!!

[olddog]

UR last Saturday in the Pine Bowl.

Fun Fact, UR has beaten WW six times in a row now dating back to 2009..forgot about the Selway days...

UR wins by 17, despite spotting WW a touchdown with a fumble.

Week 1 to Week 2, what did I see....Improvement, which is really nice to see, props to coaches and players

Special teams, we cleaned it up....Our punts were clean, good snaps, blocked well etc, our FG group got on the same page, holder has learned how to ask for the ball, blocked it better and the kicker calmed down. Good job

Offense, SCIAC DC's have to be bummed, instead of breaking out the same play cards for the last five years with four sets on them, three patterns, and four running plays...They have to update their UR play list...A lot more work for DCs. I saw nine different base formations, could have been more..Let alone variations off these sets the SCIAC has not seen. I really liked the play calling, the fact is it did not force the qb to do more than he is capable of doing. He did a good job of playing within himself. We have some nice RBs and the OL blocked fairly well. I saw some backers getting blocked and some pulling linemen get to someone. Let hope UR players have bought in and at this point refine what they do. It was nice to see the defense get off the field, we all saw what happens when its not backed up all game.

The defense was solid, this d line we have is big and about as good as I have see in the last 5 years. UR runs a 3-5-3, our inverts are brand new and learning, clearly WW game plan was to attack them. They held up and will get better as the season goes on. Prop to the DC and players giving up 10 points, and a 200 yards game net, we win 95% of the time. WW had no running game with just 6 in the box at times. Tough to win if you are WW and six man box is controlling the run. Young QB struggle with UR d line on his tail all day.

It was one game, lets see if they can duplicate it, if so we all might have under estimated them.