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[ICAlum16]

Yea that totally makes sense and I agree. There are a lot of Bomber alum from the last 10-15 years out there in the coaching world starting to make waves so it would be interesting to see if any of them get a chance.

This is also the first time we are doing a coaching search with a new AD who doesn't have ties to the program beyond being the new AD. I tried to use chatgpt to get a list of Ithaca grads in the college coaching ranks but it wasn't able to pull anything substantial. We definitely need someone who focuses on the trenches and can make us tougher up front.

Re: Faggiano

Utica's always going to have an uphill battle in the E8. Their cost of attendance is about double that of Cortland and Brockport, and their most recent four-year graduation rate is 44%. They don't have a ton of football history to lean on either.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that like Boyes at Buff State, Faggiano is getting absolutely the most that could be reasonably expected out of them, and most other coaches would be much worse.

[Jonny Utah]

Yea that totally makes sense and I agree. There are a lot of Bomber alum from the last 10-15 years out there in the coaching world starting to make waves so it would be interesting to see if any of them get a chance.

This is also the first time we are doing a coaching search with a new AD who doesn't have ties to the program beyond being the new AD. I tried to use chatgpt to get a list of Ithaca grads in the college coaching ranks but it wasn't able to pull anything substantial. We definitely need someone who focuses on the trenches and can make us tougher up front.

Re: Faggiano

Utica's always going to have an uphill battle in the E8. Their cost of attendance is about double that of Cortland and Brockport, and their most recent four-year graduation rate is 44%. They don't have a ton of football history to lean on either.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that like Boyes at Buff State, Faggiano is getting absolutely the most that could be reasonably expected out of them, and most other coaches would be much worse.

Still don't think Faggiano is going anywhere but I've noticed that he is a defensive coach, but Utica always has stud QB's and potent offenses.  Utica also ranked 16th in the nation in TOP 

But the days of finding someone who is going to be your coach for 40 years with 3 national championships are gone I think.  So get the quality person that can lead young men and win games at the same time and leave the program in a better place than you found it.  Hell, even d1 football is this way.  There are 10 prize jobs and eveywhere else is a stepping stone. 

[IC798891]

But the days of finding someone who is going to be your coach for 40 years with 3 national championships are gone I think

I bolded this because I think this word is the schism.

For almost everyone, you get a choice. If you want a coach who sticks with you for 30 years, they're probably not going to be putting you in National Title contention for three decades.

The odds of a Butterfield-type lifer who basically has you as a national power just up to retirement is slim to none. Mike Welch was a lifer, but while IC scratched and clawed its was to the 2013/2014 E8 titles, it didn't end especially well*. After 40 years with no losing seasons, Ithaca had two in Welch's last six years, with a .500 season to boot, and an 0-6 record in Cortaca.

*At the risk of sounding like Frank, I mean strictly in the W/L column. Everyone loved Welch at IC. There's a reason he got carried off the field after his last home game

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Brad Spencer is going to stick around Naperville for the next 25-30 years. Maybe Dan Wodicka sees himself as a Hopkins lifer.

But when the bigger names come calling actively, I imagine you can only resist for so long. Especially with the money involved -- though obviously no coach ever says that publicly.

Look at Curt Fitzpatrick. He'd spent nearly two decades as a D3 guy. His success at Cortland basically assured he had a job for life, with a NY State pension waiting for him after retiring. But winning it all probably put him on a lot of radars, and he didn't stick around.

[Jonny Utah]

But the days of finding someone who is going to be your coach for 40 years with 3 national championships are gone I think

I bolded this because I think this word is the schism.

For almost everyone, you get a choice. If you want a coach who sticks with you for 30 years, they're probably not going to be putting you in National Title contention for three decades.

The odds of a Butterfield-type lifer who basically has you as a national power just up to retirement is slim to none. Mike Welch was a lifer, but while IC scratched and clawed its was to the 2013/2014 E8 titles, it didn't end especially well*. After 40 years with no losing seasons, Ithaca had two in Welch's last six years, with a .500 season to boot, and an 0-6 record in Cortaca.

*At the risk of sounding like Frank, I mean strictly in the W/L column. Everyone loved Welch at IC. There's a reason he got carried off the field after his last home game

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Brad Spencer is going to stick around Naperville for the next 25-30 years. Maybe Dan Wodicka sees himself as a Hopkins lifer.

But when the bigger names come calling actively, I imagine you can only resist for so long. Especially with the money involved -- though obviously no coach ever says that publicly.

Look at Curt Fitzpatrick. He'd spent nearly two decades as a D3 guy. His success at Cortland basically assured he had a job for life, with a NY State pension waiting for him after retiring. But winning it all probably put him on a lot of radars, and he didn't stick around.

Yea I think chasing the money with your family is the question every coach has to ask themselves. At some point I think a lot of coaches realize their ceiling and base their decisions on that.

And I think it is impossible to predict who gets the IC job.  RPI and Union's coaches have backgrounds with zero ties to either school and Swanstrom was the same.  All three are good coaches.  Include Behrman in there as well.