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[labart96]

RPI announces 2007 football recruits




Gro's take

The good: 50 kids (yeah yeah only 17 will be playing in 4 years, but still good)
The bad: only 6 from section II, where's the love?
The ugly: 5 from dirty jersey   

TGP is surprised with the MBA campus being located in Hartford for a couple of years now, there are no CT kids on the roster.

Still, not a bad looking class.  The couple of 6' 4"+, 300+ lineman and the 5A state champ DE from Jax definitely stood out.  

Snagging that kid from Portsmouth (punter/WR/RB) was an interesting get too.  Normally the Abbies end up at NESCAC-type schools.

[realistic]

I was surprised that the NCAA would do that. And pleased. The NCAA often has the opportunity to "do the right thing" but rarely strays from its encyclopedia of rules.

so true.  It's sad when we are all surprised when they do...like in the situation of the Clemson CB.

Though I am very surprised with this one, b/c it wasn't the NCAA that cancelled the season it was the school.

[lewdogg11]

Here is an interesting read about the accuser in said Duke case.  Reg never saw this come up during the trial??

There was no trial.

Right, though in the immediate aftermath, there was a "trial" and [virtual] "conviction" in some of the media and on the part of the university itself. BTW the Indianapolis folks granted 33 Duke LAXERS an extra year of eligibility -- and that ain't sitting too well with certain other AAC coaches.

It should sit well because those kids shouldn't get screwed a year of eligibility because the Administration pulled the plug on them, due to some psycho chick trying to make a buck.  They didn't get to play a single game last year, and that's not fair to any of them.  

I know the argument will be, 'But they had the party with strippers in the first place' and 'They deserved it for putting themselves in that situation'.  Bad decisions...yes...but i'm sure most on this board can attest to attending similar functions in their playing days without losing a season of eligibility over it, and getting dragged through the media mud...

[labart96]

Here is an interesting read about the accuser in said Duke case.  Reg never saw this come up during the trial??

There was no trial.

Right, though in the immediate aftermath, there was a "trial" and [virtual] "conviction" in some of the media and on the part of the university itself. BTW the Indianapolis folks granted 33 Duke LAXERS an extra year of eligibility -- and that ain't sitting too well with certain other AAC coaches.

Although TGP's heart goes out to the Dookies and what they had to endure over the last 14-15 mos, that extra year of eligibility is unfair to the rest of D1 lacrosse.  

Duke had already played half or more than half it's season in 06 (8 games if TGP is not mistaken) before the Duke administration - NOT THE NCAA - cancelled the season.  TGP hates that the NCAA is basically giving the Duke Administration a free pass on what was a rush to judgement on their part.

Still, TGP is not surprised the bone heads in Indy would make that decision.   At least it's good news for the players, who were really the victims this whole time. 

TGP was glad to hear that 2 of the juniors of the indicted players refused to come back to Duke (TGP knows one transfered to Brown)

['gro]

Gro is usually a duke hater but that won't get in the way of agreeing with the NCAA on this call.  They got robbed by the stoopid administration (so I guess I can still hate duke somewhat).  BTW the season was cancelled after 8 games.

Correct gro if he is wrong, but didn't the NCAA allow basketball players from Baylor to transfer w/o sitting out a year back when one player murdered his teammate?  Miles and the gang can do some good sometimes...

now just mandate a DI-A football playoff.

[Regulator]

Reg completely agrees with the decision.  I mean think about it....these guys did nothing wrong!  Imagine that happening to one of you guys.  You are blacklisted for life!!

Why?  Because some crackhead makes some crazy accusation?

While I understand why Duke administration may have jumped to conclusions to save their squeaky clean image, the players should not be punished.

LD- there should be no argument about whether or not they put themself in that situation....it's a moot point....it could have happened ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.  It was the fault our our elected officials for not qualifying this well enough.

At one point in her life she went to the cops to file a rape 3 years AFTER THE FACT!  Imagine the cops rolling up to your house and marching you out in cuffs because of something like that.....which was probably untrue in the first place!

[Regulator]

TGP- please explain why it is unfair to the rest of D1?

Did they get THAT much better in 1 year?  Reg doesn't get it....the season was shut down...right?

[lewdogg11]

Reg completely agrees with the decision.  I mean think about it....these guys did nothing wrong!  Imagine that happening to one of you guys.  You are blacklisted for life!!

Why?  Because some crackhead makes some crazy accusation?

While I understand why Duke administration may have jumped to conclusions to save their squeaky clean image, the players should not be punished.

LD- there should be no argument about whether or not they put themself in that situation....it's a moot point....it could have happened ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.  It was the fault our our elected officials for not qualifying this well enough.

At one point in her life she went to the cops to file a rape 3 years AFTER THE FACT!  Imagine the cops rolling up to your house and marching you out in cuffs because of something like that.....which was probably untrue in the first place!

Reg, I am in agreement with you.  I was giving the Devil's Advocate role that will say those things. 

This girl was trouble from the beginning and the dick bag DA was trying to make a name for himself in the urban community of Durham.

[Regulator]

"The team was notorious for its gross behavior. 15 of the 47 players had been previously charged with misdemeanors ranging from underage drinking to public urination."

ISH, if underaged drinking and public urination are to be considered "notorious for gross behavior" then I think HD must be serving 15-20 in medium security!


From Reverend Jackson hinself
http://www.blacknews.com/pr/duke301.html

[JQV]

Still, not a bad looking class.  The couple of 6' 4"+, 300+ lineman and the 5A state champ DE from Jax definitely stood out.  

That is a typo.  Lakeland High won the 5A state title in '06 and then sent 8 or 9 players to UF.

[realistic]

"The team was notorious for its gross behavior. 15 of the 47 players had been previously charged with misdemeanors ranging from underage drinking to public urination."

ISH, if underaged drinking and public urination are to be considered "notorious for gross behavior" then I think HD must be serving 15-20 in medium security!


From Reverend Jackson hinself
http://www.blacknews.com/pr/duke301.html

listen - what happened to those kids was horrible and the school and DA's office should be ashamed.  But let's not start labeling them saints.  I know that every one of us knew people who got misdemeanors in college (or possibly got them ourselves) but Reg - did 32% of your team in college have them?  Thats a high number.  Also - some weren't such small crimes.  One of the Sophomores (Finnerty, I think) had other assault charges against him in DC where they considered hate crime charges as well.

The sport as a whole does have issues.  It seems like everytime I read the Syracuse paper online there theres a group of Lax players in the news for assault or something.

Again, don't get me wrong...theres a huge difference between doing some stupid things in college and what happened to those kids, but there are issues within the sport.

[Regulator]

"The team was notorious for its gross behavior. 15 of the 47 players had been previously charged with misdemeanors ranging from underage drinking to public urination."

ISH, if underaged drinking and public urination are to be considered "notorious for gross behavior" then I think HD must be serving 15-20 in medium security!


From Reverend Jackson hinself
http://www.blacknews.com/pr/duke301.html

but Reg - did 32% of your team in college have them?  Thats a high number.  Also - some weren't such small crimes.  One of the Sophomores (Finnerty, I think) had other assault charges against him in DC where they considered hate crime charges as well.

Come on dude, how am I supposed to know who had what charges filed against them and what charges were dropped or exspounged because of age? 
I would wager that the number of people ticketed for the above mentioned charges or for disorderly conduct before or during college would probably be higher than 32%........But you know me....Reg like to hang out with the "bad apples"....And the number of people that did something like that, that were fortunate enough not to get caught and charged is probably almost all.

Issues within the sport?  What are you even talking about?  So now being a lax player makes you a trouble maker?  You feel the need to beat people up because you carry a stick with a net on the end?

TALK ABOUT STEREOTYPE!

[lewdogg11]

Well, I happen to know someone who played football at RPI who got a DUI, and was asked at the Police Station if he was on the prestigious hockey team.  When he said football, it was 'Book 'em Danno!'. 

Do you think this doesn't exist everywhere?  I think it's obvious Duke Lax players were targets for the cops in Durham based on their 'elite' status that was frowned upon in that community.

On the other hand, I'll admit it, in college, I drove drunk, I got in fights, I peed in public(still do), and i drank before I turned 21.  Fortunately, I was able to not get caught.  Not everyone is so fortunate. 

[realistic]

I agree with all of that.  I know it happens, I did things that could have gotten me ticketed as well.  I'm saying there are differences.

1)  Scholarship athletes are held to a higher standard, fair or not they will be made examples of and reported in the papers.

2)  The quote in the article is a bad example...there were bigger charges against that team, including assauly.

3)  Do you really think that 32% of teams and/or college populations as a whole have had trips to court?

again, I am not saying anything that happened to them is fair...but yeah I have read a number of articles about lax players getting into trouble including a number of them about group beatings that have put people in the hospital... so yeah I would classify that as an issue.

[Jonny Utah]

"The team was notorious for its gross behavior. 15 of the 47 players had been previously charged with misdemeanors ranging from underage drinking to public urination."

ISH, if underaged drinking and public urination are to be considered "notorious for gross behavior" then I think HD must be serving 15-20 in medium security!


From Reverend Jackson hinself
http://www.blacknews.com/pr/duke301.html

Another great qoute from a Reg article.....

"and the working class woman from historically black North Carolina Central."
(in reference to the stripper)