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Jcsimms

#3060
November 08, 2026, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: stlawus on November 08, 2026, 05:17:10 PMTrying to predict where everyone gets sent.  Hobart I can see getting sent to Case Western to play someone like Kenyon, Denison or Calvin.  Vassar I can see going to Middlebury, Conn or someone like Rowan and either play the host or one of the New England region AQs or a SUNYAC at large.  I always say that the NCAA always tries to find the first excuse to give SLU the short end of the stick, so they'll be likely sent to one of the NESCACs like Bowdoin.  Though they are the 16th team right now in NPI so there's still a scenario where they could host, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that because again, they always try to find the first excuse to not have to send teams to Canton. I can see SLU playing one of the New England AQs like UMass Boston, Salem State, Roger Williams or Wheaton in the first round.

Hobart played in case western's group three years ago, so hoping they don't see that again.

Last year they hosted a group and played messiah first round, which was a hard draw.  Hopefully LL gets a little more love this time around.

Bartman

#3061
November 09, 2026, 12:30:03 PM
Three teams in for the LL, so you never know. After the end of the season struggles I'm glad Hobart gets new life. Instead of the NCAA tournament it should be called the NESCAC tournament.
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stlawus

#3062
November 09, 2026, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 09, 2026, 12:30:03 PMThree teams in for the LL, so you never know. After the end of the season struggles I'm glad Hobart gets new life. Instead of the NCAA tournament it should be called the NESCAC tournament.

NPI: NESCAC Protection Index

deutschfan

#3063
November 09, 2026, 05:05:22 PM
Have to agree with St. Law on a few points.  First, while the NPI is the NESCAC Protection Index the NCAA is the NESCAC Conference Athletic Association.  Nice when pretty much all of your dancers get to dance at home.  Second, the concern about SLU taking the pedal off against Union was totally righteous.  That cost them a chance to host when they weren't able to finish against Vassar.  Vassar's reward for winning the LL is a rematch with the most successful D3 soccer program in modern history followed by an away tilt at the home of the second most successful d3 soccer program in modern history.  Hobart and SLU getting Midd and Bowdoin in the second round at their houses is no picnic either. 

Jcsimms

#3064
November 09, 2026, 08:36:51 PM
I don't envy Vassar. Messiah has 22 starters and they'll run you into the ground with pace of play. If you don't get up early you're sol.

NESCAC (except my Alma mater Bates, which has sucked since last century.) really is a different animal.  Last year Tufts walked all over Messiah in the third round and they handed Hobart their only defeat all season. Gotta appreciate the quality.



stlawus

#3065
November 09, 2026, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Jcsimms on November 09, 2026, 08:36:51 PMI don't envy Vassar. Messiah has 22 starters and they'll run you into the ground with pace of play. If you don't get up early you're sol.

NESCAC (except my Alma mater Bates, which has sucked since last century.) really is a different animal.  Last year Tufts walked all over Messiah in the third round and they handed Hobart their only defeat all season. Gotta appreciate the quality.





It's not like they shouldn't be.  They have every single recruiting advantage possible, they should be a quality league. I'd like to see a lot of these coaches coach anywhere else and see how good they actually are.

Sandon Mibut

#3066
November 09, 2026, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: stlawus on November 09, 2026, 09:21:30 PMIt's not like they shouldn't be.  They have every single recruiting advantage possible, they should be a quality league. I'd like to see a lot of these coaches coach anywhere else and see how good they actually are.

Dezotell may be an outlier but he successfully clawed his way through the coaching ranks in New England/New York before leading Tufts.
* IDK jack about soccer. I cheer for Tufts, Middlebury and Upstate NY teams and I enjoy crunching numbers

stlawus

#3067
November 09, 2026, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: Sandon Mibut on November 09, 2026, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: stlawus on November 09, 2026, 09:21:30 PMIt's not like they shouldn't be.  They have every single recruiting advantage possible, they should be a quality league. I'd like to see a lot of these coaches coach anywhere else and see how good they actually are.

Dezotell may be an outlier but he successfully clawed his way through the coaching ranks in New England/New York before leading Tufts.

That's why I said a lot, not all.

College Soccer Observer

#3068
Yesterday at 09:19:30 AM
To be fair, while they have significant advantages in the schools and programs they have to sell to recruits, they do have academic limitations that do not apply to some other schools.  I have been told point blank by multiple head coaches that they cannot get a player with a C on their transcript through the admissions process. 

VASoccerDad

#3069
Yesterday at 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on Yesterday at 09:19:30 AMTo be fair, while they have significant advantages in the schools and programs they have to sell to recruits, they do have academic limitations that do not apply to some other schools.  I have been told point blank by multiple head coaches that they cannot get a player with a C on their transcript through the admissions process. 

This is true of the NESCAC, UAA and some others (Hopkins, MIT, etc...high academic institutions and high level soccer (in a lot of cases).

SimpleCoach

#3070
Yesterday at 10:35:56 AM
I would also add that those schools also have a culture of athletics and in particular, the soccer programs, that make it enticing to want to go there.  Not every school has the pursuit of excellence in their athletic programs that many in the NESCACs and UAA do.

SC.

Kuiper

#3071
Yesterday at 11:58:58 AM
Region III - Poll 9 - November 10, 2026
Rank    School    Prev    W-L-T
1    St. Lawrence University    NR    11-2-4
2    SUNY Cortland    NR    13-3-2
3    Hobart College    NR    10-3-4
4    SUNY Oneonta    NR    13-2-2
5    Vassar College    NR    8-5-6
6    Ithaca College    NR    10-4-7
7    Plattsburgh State University    NR    11-3-4
8    Manhattanville University    NR    14-3-4

stlawus

#3073
Yesterday at 03:45:37 PM
Quote from: College Soccer Observer on Yesterday at 09:19:30 AMTo be fair, while they have significant advantages in the schools and programs they have to sell to recruits, they do have academic limitations that do not apply to some other schools.  I have been told point blank by multiple head coaches that they cannot get a player with a C on their transcript through the admissions process. 

How many NEPSAC soccer players have C's on their transcript?

College Soccer Observer

#3074
Yesterday at 04:19:49 PM
No idea, but there a plenty of players who do not come from NEPSAC schools.
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