2025 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective

[NEPAFAN]

Woof Messiah...

[jknezek]

Woof Messiah...

I mean, yeah, but Lynchburg is 9-0-2 right now. Not the hardest schedule, but they are making it count. Huge backloaded ODAC schedule with Va Wes and H-SC, then Roanoke and W&L, with just a pair of easy games scattered in.

But yeah, Messiah is ugly right now.

[beavers98]

Dickinson continues to roll. May not be the best team, but playing well esp on offense.

Sets up an interesting match up this weekend between undefeated Haverford and undefeated Dickinson.

For sure, had to look where it will be. At Dickinson and its grass is much better than in previous years. Fords grass is horrible (in Charles Barkley's voice). So Fords won't have that going for them. Should be Dickinson imo. While winning at home against Rowan they are playing better than last year, but not enough.

Brand new Bermuda grass field at Dickinson Park this year.

[Footy]

Woof Messiah...

I mean, yeah, but Lynchburg is 9-0-2 right now. Not the hardest schedule, but they are making it count. Huge backloaded ODAC schedule with Va Wes and H-SC, then Roanoke and W&L, with just a pair of easy games scattered in.


First time since 1987 that Messiah gave up 5 goals.......first time since 1993 that they lost 7 games...and still some season to play.  Double woof.  Where's the magic Coach McCarty??

But yeah, Messiah is ugly right now.

[Mr_November]

Woof Messiah...

I mean, yeah, but Lynchburg is 9-0-2 right now. Not the hardest schedule, but they are making it count. Huge backloaded ODAC schedule with Va Wes and H-SC, then Roanoke and W&L, with just a pair of easy games scattered in.


First time since 1987 that Messiah gave up 5 goals.......first time since 1993 that they lost 7 games...and still some season to play.  Double woof.  Where's the magic Coach McCarty??

But yeah, Messiah is ugly right now.

Did anyone catch this game on FloSports? Messiah took an early lead and then gave up a pen before half. After that it was curtains for the Falcons. One of Lynchburg's goals was a no-look backheel goal.

[NEPAFAN]

Yeah no slight to Lynchburg. I am just curious when the last time Messiah had a season like this.

[jknezek]

Yeah no slight to Lynchburg. I am just curious when the last time Messiah had a season like this.

5-7-1 in 1976.
5-6-0 in 1970.
1-10-0 in 1969.

1967 and 68 were about the same. That's as far back as the program history on the website goes.

If you are looking for the last 7 loss season, assuming they don't lose again, 1993 was 15-7-1.

So far this season and last they've lost 13x. That's more than any 2 year stretch since 79 and 80, when they lost 13 over 2 full seasons. Something tells me this won't be their last loss this year, so that's going to be surpassed.

For Messiah, this is a calamitously bad year, on the heels of a poor year, for them, last year. And I say for them because they still won their conference and made the second round of the tournament. Lots of teams in D3 would consider that a very good season. But for Messiah? Not great. And following it with this dog... well those 23 of 24 years with 18 wins or more is falling into the rearview.

The program has not had a season under .500 since 1976. 1977 was the last year without double digit wins (8-3-2).

[Footy]

For a team like Messiah - championships have been the expectation, and as stated, even though the record was not typical last year, they still won conference, and made it just as far in the NCAA as the better record team in 2023.....This year is by far a greater outlier.  Saying that, and further to some comments made earlier - things have shifted.  Not only is this team not winning championships, I don't think they are  built to win them anymore. They need change - D3 aint what it used to be , the parity is so much greater -and you simply aren't going to be able to muscle the competition with the same play book every year.  While I know that any school would take McCarty's record and success - the point is that he hasn't had to adapt, is literally running his predecessors playbook - and we are seeing the evidence of adapt or die.  He has great talent on his team - so at a certain point you have to question the person doing the X's and O's. Waning success like this will also hurt future recruitment.....and I am not sure if you have heard about McCarty, but he isn't the most warm, fuzzy, affable guy.  We are the best - so don't call us, we will call you isn't going to hunt anymore with recruits......

[D3SoccerTalker]

For a team like Messiah - championships have been the expectation, and as stated, even though the record was not typical last year, they still won conference, and made it just as far in the NCAA as the better record team in 2023.....This year is by far a greater outlier.  Saying that, and further to some comments made earlier - things have shifted.  Not only is this team not winning championships, I don't think they are  built to win them anymore. They need change - D3 aint what it used to be , the parity is so much greater -and you simply aren't going to be able to muscle the competition with the same play book every year.  While I know that any school would take McCarty's record and success - the point is that he hasn't had to adapt, is literally running his predecessors playbook - and we are seeing the evidence of adapt or die.  He has great talent on his team - so at a certain point you have to question the person doing the X's and O's. Waning success like this will also hurt future recruitment.....and I am not sure if you have heard about McCarty, but he isn't the most warm, fuzzy, affable guy.  We are the best - so don't call us, we will call you isn't going to hunt anymore with recruits......

I think the attacks on record and overall performance of the team thus far is fair and obviously valid, but the blatant and irreverent attacks on someone's personal character is a little bland and personally below what the majority of us are concerned with on this board.

Thank you for the contributions, but I believe your comments would be better suited for a different/less formal discussion board.


Thanks

[SierraFD3soccer]

I guess you could say that Messiah showed cracks for the last 2 or 3 years. Just hope they aren't going away. It's been a great run.

Though not in the same strata, Hop has had a rough time as well with 5 loses right now and against teams they regularly figured out ways to beat. It been over 10 years or so since they lost more 5 games in a season. Another team that has had sustained success is F&M.  They has struggled all season against good teams. Last time F&M lost these many games and not won at least 10 was over 20 years ago. Both theoretically can turn it around with conf. competition, but, imo, the Cent. Conf. has better teams than Messiah's. For both teams, I would say it is talent which both lost a lot of from last year. Now both coaches have to really, really coach.

Hop has Dickinson and Muhlenberg ahead which F&M has already played and were thumped. A week from Saturday, Hop goes to Lancaster and it'll be a totally different type of game. Instead of competing for 1st place in the Cent. Conf. like so many years in a row, it will be to see who keep a chance to make the Cent. Conf. tournament.

[SierraFD3soccer]

Brand new Bermuda grass field at Dickinson Park this year.

Very, very nice!! I thought so. Previous years it was bad and usually tall. McDaniel still has the best grass on the East Coast. Haverford always was competing with the Muhls for worst grass. The Fords still really bad and substantially affects the quality of play.

[Footy]

For a team like Messiah - championships have been the expectation, and as stated, even though the record was not typical last year, they still won conference, and made it just as far in the NCAA as the better record team in 2023.....This year is by far a greater outlier.  Saying that, and further to some comments made earlier - things have shifted.  Not only is this team not winning championships, I don't think they are  built to win them anymore. They need change - D3 aint what it used to be , the parity is so much greater -and you simply aren't going to be able to muscle the competition with the same play book every year.  While I know that any school would take McCarty's record and success - the point is that he hasn't had to adapt, is literally running his predecessors playbook - and we are seeing the evidence of adapt or die.  He has great talent on his team - so at a certain point you have to question the person doing the X's and O's. Waning success like this will also hurt future recruitment.....and I am not sure if you have heard about McCarty, but he isn't the most warm, fuzzy, affable guy.  We are the best - so don't call us, we will call you isn't going to hunt anymore with recruits......

I think the attacks on record and overall performance of the team thus far is fair and obviously valid, but the blatant and irreverent attacks on someone's personal character is a little bland and personally below what the majority of us are concerned with on this board.

Thank you for the contributions, but I believe your comments would be better suited for a different/less formal discussion board.


Thanks

Not at all an attack on character....far from it - just an observation on approach and affect.  Appreciate the feedback - but simply addressing the wholisic situation.  And a "less formal" board - not sure this one caries the Market on formality or decorum.  But again, appreciate the feedback....

[Footy]

For a team like Messiah - championships have been the expectation, and as stated, even though the record was not typical last year, they still won conference, and made it just as far in the NCAA as the better record team in 2023.....This year is by far a greater outlier.  Saying that, and further to some comments made earlier - things have shifted.  Not only is this team not winning championships, I don't think they are  built to win them anymore. They need change - D3 aint what it used to be , the parity is so much greater -and you simply aren't going to be able to muscle the competition with the same play book every year.  While I know that any school would take McCarty's record and success - the point is that he hasn't had to adapt, is literally running his predecessors playbook - and we are seeing the evidence of adapt or die.  He has great talent on his team - so at a certain point you have to question the person doing the X's and O's. Waning success like this will also hurt future recruitment.....and I am not sure if you have heard about McCarty, but he isn't the most warm, fuzzy, affable guy.  We are the best - so don't call us, we will call you isn't going to hunt anymore with recruits......

I think the attacks on record and overall performance of the team thus far is fair and obviously valid, but the blatant and irreverent attacks on someone's personal character is a little bland and personally below what the majority of us are concerned with on this board.

Thank you for the contributions, but I believe your comments would be better suited for a different/less formal discussion board.


Thanks

Not at all an attack on character....far from it - just an observation on approach and affect.  Appreciate the feedback - but simply addressing the wholisic situation.  And a "less formal" board - not sure this one caries the Market on formality or decorum.  But again, appreciate the feedback....

Blatant, Irreverent?  Sorry had to come back to that.  Not Warm, Fuzzy, or affable.....I woudldant call that irreverent or blatant.  Style and approach  - NOT character.  Affable - "easy to talk to" in the event we weren't clear on that discriptor.  I haven't called him a bad person. I didnt call him unethical, or immoral.....I simply represented that he reserved, not overly warm, not the most forward communicator.....he hasn't had to be - players have flocked to play there.....this , just like the style of play needs adjustment

[D3SoccerTalker]

For a team like Messiah - championships have been the expectation, and as stated, even though the record was not typical last year, they still won conference, and made it just as far in the NCAA as the better record team in 2023.....This year is by far a greater outlier.  Saying that, and further to some comments made earlier - things have shifted.  Not only is this team not winning championships, I don't think they are  built to win them anymore. They need change - D3 aint what it used to be , the parity is so much greater -and you simply aren't going to be able to muscle the competition with the same play book every year.  While I know that any school would take McCarty's record and success - the point is that he hasn't had to adapt, is literally running his predecessors playbook - and we are seeing the evidence of adapt or die.  He has great talent on his team - so at a certain point you have to question the person doing the X's and O's. Waning success like this will also hurt future recruitment.....and I am not sure if you have heard about McCarty, but he isn't the most warm, fuzzy, affable guy.  We are the best - so don't call us, we will call you isn't going to hunt anymore with recruits......

I think the attacks on record and overall performance of the team thus far is fair and obviously valid, but the blatant and irreverent attacks on someone's personal character is a little bland and personally below what the majority of us are concerned with on this board.

Thank you for the contributions, but I believe your comments would be better suited for a different/less formal discussion board.


Thanks

Not at all an attack on character....far from it - just an observation on approach and affect.  Appreciate the feedback - but simply addressing the wholisic situation.  And a "less formal" board - not sure this one caries the Market on formality or decorum.  But again, appreciate the feedback....

Blatant, Irreverent?  Sorry had to come back to that.  Not Warm, Fuzzy, or affable.....I woudldant call that irreverent or blatant.  Style and approach  - NOT character.  Affable - "easy to talk to" in the event we weren't clear on that discriptor.  I haven't called him a bad person. I didnt call him unethical, or immoral.....I simply represented that he reserved, not overly warm, not the most forward communicator.....he hasn't had to be - players have flocked to play there.....this , just like the style of play needs adjustment

Hey...fair enough. Appreciate the description and happy to make amends.

Now back to the "footy"

Thanks

[NEPAFAN]

Yeah no slight to Lynchburg. I am just curious when the last time Messiah had a season like this.

5-7-1 in 1976.
5-6-0 in 1970.
1-10-0 in 1969.

1967 and 68 were about the same. That's as far back as the program history on the website goes.

If you are looking for the last 7 loss season, assuming they don't lose again, 1993 was 15-7-1.

So far this season and last they've lost 13x. That's more than any 2 year stretch since 79 and 80, when they lost 13 over 2 full seasons. Something tells me this won't be their last loss this year, so that's going to be surpassed.

For Messiah, this is a calamitously bad year, on the heels of a poor year, for them, last year. And I say for them because they still won their conference and made the second round of the tournament. Lots of teams in D3 would consider that a very good season. But for Messiah? Not great. And following it with this dog... well those 23 of 24 years with 18 wins or more is falling into the rearview.

The program has not had a season under .500 since 1976. 1977 was the last year without double digit wins (8-3-2).

Thank you for taking the time to put this into a post!