2025 Yet to Lose Teams

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 23, 2025, 02:40:32 AM

St Joseph's (Brkln) (1-12-1) beat Yeshiva 4-1 for their first win of the year.

Pratt (0-11-2) almost got their first win but Centenary (NJ) scored the equalizer with under 4 minutes left to tie 2-2.

Muhlenberg (8-0-8) and Haverford (9-0-8) unsurprisingly tied 0-0

Ejay · October 23, 2025, 08:36:35 AM

And Dickinson tied Hopkins, so you still have 3 undefeated teams in the Centennial

Dickinson 10-0-6; 4-0-3
Muhlenberg 8-0-8; 3-0-4
Haverford 9-0-8; 2-0-5

SierraFD3soccer · October 24, 2025, 11:00:04 AM

Quote from: Ejay on October 23, 2025, 08:36:35 AMAnd Dickinson tied Hopkins, so you still have 3 undefeated teams in the Centennial

Dickinson 10-0-6; 4-0-3
Muhlenberg 8-0-8; 3-0-4
Haverford 9-0-8; 2-0-5

Loss of OT is so bad imo. Just give teams a chance to win outright.

Kuiper · October 24, 2025, 11:44:53 AM

Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on October 24, 2025, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: Ejay on October 23, 2025, 08:36:35 AMAnd Dickinson tied Hopkins, so you still have 3 undefeated teams in the Centennial

Dickinson 10-0-6; 4-0-3
Muhlenberg 8-0-8; 3-0-4
Haverford 9-0-8; 2-0-5

Lose of OT is so bad imo. Just give teams a chance to win outright.

Getting rid of OT has allowed teams to more effectively play for the tie, but ties are up pretty significantly this year in the Centennial and some other conferences even though OT didn't exist in 2024 either. All the reasons that the top teams are not as dominant as they were last year contribute to more ties. The gap is simply smaller between teams.

SierraFD3soccer · October 25, 2025, 10:17:16 AM

Quote from: Kuiper on October 24, 2025, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on October 24, 2025, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: Ejay on October 23, 2025, 08:36:35 AMAnd Dickinson tied Hopkins, so you still have 3 undefeated teams in the Centennial

Dickinson 10-0-6; 4-0-3
Muhlenberg 8-0-8; 3-0-4
Haverford 9-0-8; 2-0-5

Lose of OT is so bad imo. Just give teams a chance to win outright.

Getting rid of OT has allowed teams to more effectively play for the tie, but ties are up pretty significantly this year in the Centennial and some other conferences even though OT didn't exist in 2024 either. All the reasons that the top teams are not as dominant as they were last year contribute to more ties. The gap is simply smaller between teams.

Maybe so, maybe 4 pts for a win and still 1 for a tie?? Pretty sure that I'm the first as to this.

Kuiper · October 25, 2025, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on October 25, 2025, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: Kuiper on October 24, 2025, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: SierraFD3soccer on October 24, 2025, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: Ejay on October 23, 2025, 08:36:35 AMAnd Dickinson tied Hopkins, so you still have 3 undefeated teams in the Centennial

Dickinson 10-0-6; 4-0-3
Muhlenberg 8-0-8; 3-0-4
Haverford 9-0-8; 2-0-5

Lose of OT is so bad imo. Just give teams a chance to win outright.

Getting rid of OT has allowed teams to more effectively play for the tie, but ties are up pretty significantly this year in the Centennial and some other conferences even though OT didn't exist in 2024 either. All the reasons that the top teams are not as dominant as they were last year contribute to more ties. The gap is simply smaller between teams.

Maybe so, maybe 4 pts for a win and still 1 for a tie?? Pretty sure that I'm the first as to this.

That would help in conference and with the AQ, but I think the motivation for ties comes more from the NPI than in conference. The Men's Soccer Competition Committee was so focused on strength of schedule that it gives a team more credit for a tie against a strong team than a win against a middling team. It's probably a little easier for a less skilled team to get a tie against a stronger team by playing a low block than it is for a less skilled team to get a win against a middling team, so a lot of teams have moved to a more cynical style of play.

Kuiper · October 25, 2025, 01:50:38 PM

Wheaton (MA) has played from behind most of the game to Coast Guard, but just equalized 1-1 in the 85th minute and look like they may avoid falling from the yet to lose list.

FINAL: Wheaton 1 - Coast Guard 1

Kuiper · October 25, 2025, 02:14:58 PM

Johns Hopkins knocks off Muhlenberg 1-0 and the Mules fall from the ranks of the unbeaten

Kuiper · October 29, 2025, 05:46:41 PM

Kenyon beat Wooster 4-0 and Wooster is no longer unbeaten.

Interestingly, in the old system, this kind of loss might significantly hurt Wooster in the eyes of the Tournament Committee if it didn't win the NCAC's AQ. Under the NPI, however, it's just a loss since goal differential and late season play doesn't factor into the rankings.

Ejay · October 30, 2025, 02:53:29 PM

I'm sure not everyone listens to the SC podcast, but this week we talked about Haverford who currently sit at 9-0-9. If they draw this weekend with Swarthmore, they'll finish the year undefeated at 9-0-10 and there's a good chance they'll miss the Centennial playoffs and their season will be over.

SKUD · October 30, 2025, 04:31:12 PM

Quote from: Ejay on October 30, 2025, 02:53:29 PMI'm sure not everyone listens to the SC podcast, but this week we talked about Haverford who currently sit at 9-0-9. If they draw this weekend with Swarthmore, they'll finish the year undefeated at 9-0-10 and there's a good chance they'll miss the Centennial playoffs and their season will be over.

Of course we listen to you!

SC not so much

Kuiper · October 30, 2025, 04:41:01 PM

Quote from: Ejay on October 30, 2025, 02:53:29 PMI'm sure not everyone listens to the SC podcast, but this week we talked about Haverford who currently sit at 9-0-9. If they draw this weekend with Swarthmore, they'll finish the year undefeated at 9-0-10 and there's a good chance they'll miss the Centennial playoffs and their season will be over.

Wouldn't they have the tie-breaker over McDaniel in that case since Haverford beat McDaniel?

SierraFD3soccer · October 31, 2025, 08:54:07 PM

Cent Conf.

D. Tie-Breaking Formulas
1. Head-to-Head Centennial Conference competition among tied teams;
2. Records vs. teams in descending order of standing;
3. Goal differential in all conference games with a maximum differential of three per game.
4. Goal differential in all conference games with a maximum differential of three per game vs. teams in descending order of
standing.
5. NCAA Power Index (NPI) rankings at the conclusion of the conference regular season.
6. Coin flip by Executive Director. (Adopted 6/2/99; Revised 6/6/01, 6/5/02, 5/29/13, 5/29/24, 5/28/25)