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Title: HCAC
Post by: charge on October 30, 2004, 11:22:33 am
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Title: HCAC
Post by: Brian Sullivan on December 14, 2004, 06:20:27 pm
Just wondering about the lack of ANY votes for Franklin in the national rankings.  This is a team that has averaged 21 wins a year the previous three winters, including 23-5 last year, and has started off 6-1 this time around.  Thoughts?
Title: HCAC
Post by: Brian Sullivan on December 19, 2004, 08:56:56 pm
Perhaps knocking off the defending national champs, leading wire-to-wire, will do the trick.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: sully on October 10, 2005, 10:46:25 am
Best of luck this season to Franklin.  The senior class has gone 64-20 over the last three seasons, including 33-9 in conference play.  With 22 wins this season, the senior class will become the winningest class in school history.

Key returnees include:
Lindsey Robertson (5'9 Sr. SG) - 16.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.5 spg, 36.3% 3pt, 82.1% FT
Becky Ballard (5'10 Sr. PF) - 15.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 48.9% FG, 74.4% FT
Leslie Mehrlich (6'0 Sr. C) - 10.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 53.8% FG, 70.4% FT
Brittany Beehler (5'3 Jr. PG) - 3.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 2.8 spg, 41.7% 3pt
Katie Douglas (6'0 Jr. PF) - 4.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 46.3% FG
Kelly Snider (5'10 So. SF) - 9.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 51.5% FG, 51.9% 3pt, 81.2% FT

Roberson is the defending conference MVP, Ballard has been the league tournament MVP two years running, and Beehler shattered the school's single season assist record.  Snider was limited to ten games after a bout with mono; if healthy this season she gives Franklin a legitimate fourth scoring option.  If juco transfer Rachelle Durcholz is as good as advertised as a second point guard option, Franklin will have impressive size and athleticism on the perimeter to go along with a trio of highly effective big people inside.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 17, 2006, 01:55:31 pm
how about the Mounties and them roaring over defience
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 17, 2006, 05:13:28 pm
hey, where is everyone at?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: GRIZZFAN on January 17, 2006, 08:17:05 pm
I too am wondering why Franklin is being overlooked in the voting. In 2004 they beat a good Milliken team by 23 pts., last year they knock off Wilmington. They also beat Kenyon and lost to Albion by 6 pts., then they take Hope college to the wire this year losing by 2 pts. In the 2003-2004 season they were rated 2nd in the region. They haven't even been acknowledged in the region rankings last year or this year when the team is virtually the same as the 2003-04 team. They have definitely shown they can play with the "big boys" but are getting no recognition. Your thoughts?

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on January 21, 2006, 08:41:25 pm
Serious deficiency at point guard. Lacks speed and all the other attributes it takes to be a true point. Very immobile center, cant defend, or doesnt want to.
Opponents scoring comes from inside, in the paint. This team seems to play to the level of its competition, rather than coming out of the gate and burying them at the outset. Lacks a killer instinct. Most games this year they havnt been ready to play at he outset, and have had to come from behind. Maybe two years of being unanamous pick to win conference has spoiled them. They have been pushed by a lot of lesser teams all year long. I see a lot of the players making a lot of fundamental mistakes. #3 and #44 can carry them to
conference win. They should have gone unbeaten, but the Mount caught them napping.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 03:32:53 am
No wins against strong programs all season makes it hard to vote for Franklin.
Title: Re: huh?
Post by: ballnut on January 26, 2006, 10:35:47 pm
After getting fouled across the arms going up for a lay-in on a drive to the basket and getting knocked to the floor, the player asked why that wasnt a foul. She was told by the down official, you have to "draw contact." Can some one help me understand this. I really hate getting on the officials.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 01, 2006, 12:00:27 pm
What a turn around Manchester College has done.  Coach Venet started the transformation last season, and now with Coach Dzurick running the show the squad has turned into a winner (13-6, 5-3 currently).  The current squad has no seniors on its roster, so look out for the Spartans in '06-07.  You heard it here first, Manchester will win the HCAC next season. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on February 02, 2006, 03:22:37 pm
ballnut, that is typical HCAC officiating!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: GRIZZFAN on February 05, 2006, 10:22:36 pm
The only thing I can agree w/ballnut on is yes, they are a slow starting team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACfan on February 06, 2006, 03:40:03 am
Test
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 17, 2006, 11:15:07 am
Manchester will win the HCAC tourney and advance to the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 19, 2006, 02:38:15 pm
No Manchester won't win it. Allthough I'd rather them win it than Franklin.  But I'm thinking they won't make it to the championship game. I do agree that they'll be tough in the next few years though.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 19, 2006, 02:51:52 pm
And if Manchester does face Franklin in the championship I doubt they'll win. The only team in the conference that has been able to defeat Franklin is the Mount.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: grizzlygalfan on February 20, 2006, 09:54:31 am
    C'mon now, lets be serious here.  Manchester stands no chance of coming into the Spurlock Center and beating the Grizzlies.  Franklin has by far the best fans around making it almost impossible for visitors to play a good game.  Given, we are a bunch of *$$holes, and I am pretty sure that is what works for us.  Hey, what can I say, we lost 1 game to Mount this year.  Thats alright.  when The Mount came to Franklin they lost by over 40.  See ya in Franklin, and don't worry.  We'll keep the League and tourney title safe here at Franklin.  DYNASTY BABY!!!!!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 20, 2006, 09:59:30 pm
Franklin fans are okay...but nothing spectacular. I've seen the same (if not better) intense student fans at some of the bottomdwellers in the conference. Beating Franklin will be tough but it is definately no where near impossible.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: grizzlygalfan on February 21, 2006, 08:36:34 pm
  Hey you know what, maybe we are not the greatest fans.  Well maybe we are, Are you serious?  We just beat the beavers by more than 35?  C'mon to Spurlock.  They may have been the the #8 seed but hell what is mount #4?  We still beat them by 40....  See ya Friday, then watch us storm the courth on Saturday.  Watch Ballard, Roberson, and Mehlich take All Tournament honors if not M.V.P.  Like I said, see ya at Spurlock... 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 22, 2006, 04:22:34 pm
The Franklin fans are okay, but it's not like I haven't seen fans just as rowdy. Who cares that you beat Bluffton, that's not a huge accomplishment. And why do you keep talking about Mount, I was just making a point that even a mediocre team can beat Franklin. They probably will win but personally I'll be rooting for an upset.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 25, 2006, 04:38:49 pm
Hahahaha! Way to jinx your team. Franklin was supposed to run away with it and they choked in the championship game at home. That's great. Congrats to Manchester...picked last in the conference and wins the championship. I love it!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bodhi5 on February 25, 2006, 08:44:28 pm
Hahahaha! Way to jinx your team. Franklin was supposed to run away with it and they choked in the championship game at home. That's great. Congrats to Manchester...picked last in the conference and wins the championship. I love it!

Picked last, finished first.  Hell of a coaching job by coach Dzruich, or however you spell it.  Young team stepped up in a big game.  This could be the start of many big wins for the MC women. 

Man, did I call that or what.  I should go to the boat.  And in honor of MC's win, I'll throw it all on BLACK!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: albinomascot19 on February 26, 2006, 06:21:47 am
So do you all feel that Manchester will be this year's Cinderella Team in the NCAA Tournament.   How far do you think they will advance?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on February 26, 2006, 04:41:57 pm
I chose not to venture a guess because I didn't think they'd even make it to the championship let alone win (although I'm happy they did). I guess it all depends on what kind of draw they get.

And with Franklin losing Roberson, Ballard, and Merlich is this the sign of them passing over the torch and not being the dominant team in the conference? I know they will reload as always, but with Manchester having everyone back and other teams out there who are getting quality recruits...maybe we won't see the same Franklin we've had in recent years.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 02:55:44 pm
So do you all feel that Manchester will be this year's Cinderella Team in the NCAA Tournament.   How far do you think they will advance?

Manchester gets stuck playing Wash U. To answer the question, probably no where.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on March 03, 2006, 07:58:47 am
Now for the rest of the story: Choke? Hardly. Manchester didnt beat Franklin, the flu got them. They were fortunate to get past Anderson, who played us tougher than Manchester. Roberson was sick with the flu the day we played Anderson.
She was taking two pure aspirin every two hours, and taking tylenol to get the
fever down, and drank 3 gallons of gatorade during the tournament to stay hydrated. She lead all scorers with 21 points. Another  starter was using an inhaler, and Merlich was recovering. Anderson took enough out of the Grizz to
enable manchester to have a chance. Still, they won by only two points.
The Grizz were guilty of taking two teams to lightly, lost by only two at Michigan
to the #4 team in the nation, Hope, and lost to a well-coached,mediocre team
while 3 starters were suffering from the flu. They only lost one game while they were playing their best. They lost two games to over-confidence, and lost  the
last to the flu. Roberson IS the best PLAYER in the conference. Check the stats.
Jumps center,and wins,usually takes a girl 6'2" to outjump her. Plays point, and is one of the better point guards in the conference. The consumate team player.
When we were routing Bluffton, she told coach to put the bench players in instead of trying to go for tournament mvp. We are going to miss "robo" a truly
talented and gifted basketball player in all phases of the game. Her only weakness? To unselfish. If she were more into her stats instead of team play
she would put up some awesome numbers. Enough said. Good-bye.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on March 03, 2006, 03:03:43 pm
Ballnut, I'm not exactly sure why you are defending Roberson. I'm pretty sure no one said anything bad about her on the contrary it's a known fact she is a flat out stellar player and a classy one at that. I think most people thought it would be impossible for any team to defeat Franklin in the championship game with Roberson and the crew and sick or no sick it's still an incredible win by Manchester. And it isn't nessesary to make an excuse for every one of their losses this season. Even the worst of teams can go thru and give good excuses why they lost a game they should have won but it doesn't really matter.

One thing that did bother me that you said was about Roberson requesting to the coach to let the bench players play in the Bluffton tourney blow out game. It's sad that the Franklin coach would have to be told that by a player and not just do it herself. Since when isn't it good enough just to win- as opposed to thinking about awards. I really hope this wasn't the case because that shows a real lack of class.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ballnut on March 04, 2006, 10:14:04 am
Re: "junior varsity" post of 2-25-06. That reply is really directed at your post of that date. Your insightful narrow minded observation that the Grizz "choked"
without any thought of any other circumstances that might have occurred to account for the grizz sub-par performance. The tone of the post obviously  brings into question your lineage and the manner of your up-bringing. You arent
college educated are you? Have a nice day.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hoops0 on March 04, 2006, 07:03:34 pm
Regardless of the EXCUSES...they did choke. They were a stacked team talent wise and didn't come up with the win for the championship. Ouch. ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 17, 2006, 05:33:35 pm
Rose-Hulman improved to 10-1 overall this afternoon, after knocking off Marian 84-70.

Rebekah Forsyth scored a school record 38 points for RHIT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:11:47 pm
who does the Mt. St. joe play tonight?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:50:38 pm
wowj! is this the place to be or what?  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on January 17, 2007, 02:17:25 pm
Yeah...this conference board not exactly jumping.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:18:50 pm
I see things haven't changed much  :(
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: David Collinge on July 20, 2007, 10:49:44 pm
2007-08 schedule update:

HCAC:
Anderson: (I couldn't get to their %#*%body%amp; website) :-[
Bluffton:  men (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2008/schedule.html); women (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/womensbasketball/2008/schedule.html)
Defiance:  men (not posted); women (http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/womens_basketball_schedule_0708.html)
Franklin:  men (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=2); women (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=9)
Hanover:  men (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcmbbresults.htm); women (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcwbbresults.htm)
Manchester (not posted)
Mt. St. Joseph:  men (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp); women (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp)
Rose-Hulman:  men  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0708mbb.htm)(complete); women  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0708wbb.htm)(complete)
Transylvania:  men  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/m_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-m_basketball-topic-m_basketball)(complete); women  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/w_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-women-sub-w_basketball-topic-w_basketball)(complete)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Buck23 on September 25, 2007, 07:11:59 pm
GO BEAVERS!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 27, 2007, 04:10:25 am
Any thoughts on how the conference will go this year?  Will Manchester repeat this year without Wendell?  How about Transy?  Will Franklin re-gain the conference? Defiance?

I have also been hearing about a tremendous freshman class at Hanover.  I would not sleep on Anderson with Hawthrone!  I have been told AU has a good freshman class as well.

It should be interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2007, 04:26:20 am
Anyone out there in HCAC land?  This is a good conference.  Wish there was some more chatter.  Hanover shows some good freshman and soph from Connersville who should be a immediate impact player.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on November 14, 2007, 08:02:33 pm
Interested to see what people see in Hanover...relatively high preseason poll ranking for a bunch of frosh and a questionable returning group.
Could be a wide-open race at the top
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: M and L on November 15, 2007, 09:11:37 am
But everyone knows that experience and upperclassmen get you to the post season
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 16, 2007, 12:56:04 pm
That might be right.  But I think especially in the women's game you can turn around a program with young players.  Not saying Hanover will win the conference but they have a lot of young talent.

My pick is Anderson, with Hawthorne and Martin.  They should be tough to beat.  We will see tonight vs. Marian.  However I hear Wuethrich is down.  She will be a tough loss.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on December 08, 2007, 04:45:35 am
It looks like Coach Prevo is quietly doing a great job at Rose.  He has them at 2-0 in the conference and playing Bluffton on Saturday!

The Manchester/Transy Tilt should be a good one.  I would say that Transy wins this one in a close one.  Manchester is a tough place to play.

We will also see what Franklin is made of by playing a tough opponent in 4-2 North Central from the CCIW.  It is early but we have some good match ups!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 14, 2008, 11:39:29 am
Wow, not much activity here.  Wednesday should be a big night with Anderson going to Manchester.  I think we know if Manchester is for real if they can pull out of a win.  We will also understand how good Anderson is.  Manchester has to be the toughest place to play in the conference minus any team that has to make the long trip to transy. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 03, 2008, 01:38:48 am
IT is hard to believe there are no fans of this great conference.  It looks like we have a race for the top spot with Anderson having 3 loses and Manchester losing to Franklin on Saturday which can them 3 loses.  I think whoever gets the top spot will have a good shot of winning the tournament.  Manchester is a tough place to play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 11, 2008, 05:12:01 pm
The race is heating up and still no one talking on here.  It looks like it will be a interesting race between Manchester, Anderson and Hanover.  I am still picking Anderson to somehow pull this out. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2008, 09:51:49 am
Here's an analysis of the possible scenarios for the rest of the season (similar to the one I posted on the HCAC men's discussion page a couple of minutes ago):

First, the disclaimer:  This is based on my interpretation and implementation of the HCAC tie-breakers.  Additionally, two new steps have been added to the tie-breaker process, after the "internal" criteria (performance vs HCAC competition):
I made no attempt to incorporate these criteria; my program essentially flips a coin to break ties that cannot be broken by the internal criteria.  I'll have to check how often that happens.  Finally, please remember that the numbers below represent percentages of all possible scenarios; they are NOT probabilities (unless you believe that every remaining game is a 50-50 contest).


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson9-46-03-4vs. RHIT, @ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-46-12-3@ FC, vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania7-56-11-4@ MSJ, @ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Rose-Hulman7-65-32-3@ AU, @ MC, @ DC
Franklin6-62-34-3vs. HC, vs. AU, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-85-20-6vs. TU, @ BU
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC47.49%23.58%18.19% 7.42% 2.99% 0.34%  100.0%
HC24.66%28.54%21.12%15.79% 7.33% 2.55%  100.0%
AU24.55%29.41%26.98%11.64% 6.22% 1.21%  100.0%
TU 2.60%12.10%18.88%31.77%21.61%10.17%   97.1%
RHIT 0.70% 5.60%10.11%19.93%34.20%26.03%   96.6%
FC 0.00% 0.77% 4.72%13.39%26.28%50.54%   95.7%
MSJ 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.05% 1.03% 7.18%    8.3%
DC 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.02% 0.34% 1.99%    2.3%
BU 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%    0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 12, 2008, 11:26:24 am
Thanks for the data.  That is interesting.  From your analysis it looks like the tourney will be at Manchester which is a tough place to play.  I am hoping that this is not the case and the tourney will be held at Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 09:54:27 am
A reader of this board emailed to point out that I had missed a game (MSJ/Franklin).  I've re-run the analysis with that game added, and will post the corrected table this afternoon.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 02:01:43 pm
Here are the corrected tables for the end-of-season scenarios.


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson9-46-03-4vs. RHIT, @ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-46-12-3@ FC, vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania7-56-11-4@ MSJ, @ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Rose-Hulman7-65-32-3@ AU, @ MC, @ DC
Franklin6-62-34-3vs. HC, vs. AU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Mount St. Joseph5-85-20-6vs. TU, @ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Manchester48.47%22.64%17.89%7.56%3.09%0.35%100.0%
Anderson23.77%29.25%27.65%12.49%6.06%0.79%100.0%
Hanover24.42%27.67%19.59%14.02%8.37%5.58%99.7%
Transylvania2.40%12.41%20.09%33.82%21.04%8.43%98.2%
Rose-Hulman0.69%5.60%11.12%22.10%36.77%19.45%95.7%
Franklin0.26%2.43%3.67%9.26%18.43%47.64%81.7%
Mount St. Joseph0.00%0.00%0.00%0.72%5.73%16.02%22.5%
Defiance0.00%0.00%0.00%0.02%0.52%1.73%2.3%
Bluffton0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2008, 09:35:22 pm
I cannot find the Manchester-Defiance score, but with the other three scores entered, Hanover and Transy have clinched spots in the tournament:

TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester9-35-14-2@ DC, vs. RHIT, @ AU, vs. HC
Anderson10-47-03-4@ FC, vs. MC
Hanover8-56-12-4vs. BU, @ TU, @ MC
Transylvania8-56-12-4@ DC, vs. HC, @ BU
Franklin7-63-34-3vs. AU, @ DC, vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-75-32-4@ MC, @ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-95-30-6@ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-92-21-7vs. MC, vs. TU, vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-111-51-6@ HC, vs. MSJ, vs. TU

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
Manchester47.89%26.73%17.03%6.86%1.45%0.04%100.0%
Anderson43.59%33.04%19.07%4.20%0.10%0.00%100.0%
Hanover4.88%15.60%23.95%24.68%21.66%9.23%100.0%
Transylvania3.30%20.42%27.93%30.75%14.60%3.00%100.0%
Franklin0.34%4.20%11.72%25.63%28.27%26.32%96.5%
Rose-Hulman0.00%0.00%0.31%7.87%33.04%52.40%93.6%
Mount St. Joseph0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.68%6.52%7.2%
Defiance0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.20%2.48%2.7%
Bluffton0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 14, 2008, 09:39:59 pm
Good stuff
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2008, 07:27:34 am
With Defiance's loss to Manchester, their slim chances of making the tournament disappeared.  Additionally, the Spartan's extra win means they take the #1 spot in over half of the possible scenarios ... but obviously the MC/AU game will have an impact on that: If the Raven's win that game, they would have a substantial edge over MC, but if AU loses, they are out of the running. Here is the updated table of scenarios:
Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC53.08%28.96%13.38%4.20%0.39%0.00%100.0%
AU39.01%32.57%24.32%3.71%0.39%0.00%100.0%
HC5.96%18.26%29.30%19.97%18.38%8.13%100.0%
TU1.95%17.29%27.73%39.67%11.28%2.08%100.0%
FC0.00%2.93%4.98%20.41%30.18%37.89%96.4%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.29%12.04%37.92%46.14%96.4%
MSJ0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%1.46%5.76%7.2%
DC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2008, 05:13:07 pm
The top 4 teams all won, although the Beavers took Hanover to OT before falling.  The regular season championship is now a race between AU and MC;

With the losses by Franklin and RHIT, MSJ's position improved slightly, while Rose is no longer in the running for a top-4 seed:


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Manchester11-36-15-2@ AU, vs. HC
Anderson11-47-04-4vs. MC
Hanover9-57-12-4@ TU, @ MC
Transylvania9-56-13-4vs. HC, @ BU
Franklin7-73-44-3@ DC, vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-85-32-5@ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-95-30-6@ BU, @ FC
Defiance3-112-41-7vs. FC, vs. RHIT
Bluffton2-121-51-7vs. MSJ, vs. TU

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
MC51.56%29.69%18.75%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
AU48.44%26.56%25.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%25.00%37.50%31.25%6.25%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%18.75%18.75%62.50%0.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%0.00%0.00%6.25%43.75%42.19%92.2%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%44.53%50.00%94.5%
MSJ0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%5.47%7.81%13.3%
DC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
BU0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 16, 2008, 08:59:36 pm
What happens if AU wins?  Will they host for sure or what does the tie breakers say? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2008, 08:19:57 am
HCACBBALL-
My program tells me that if AU wins, they take the #1 seed in 96.88% of the remaining scenarios.

Briefly, if AU wins, and then MC beats HC, so they both end at 12-4, and the tie-breaker situation looks like this:

AU and MC will both have split the series with each other, and with HC and TU.  Against the next three teams:
So, AU takes the tie-breaker if Franklin ends up higher than MSJ.   I don't have the time to sort through how that could happen, but it is very likely.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2008, 09:44:14 pm
AU won big over Manchester, 71-44.  That, combined with Bluffton beating MSJ 56-48, means that Anderson locks in the #1 seed:  Even if MC finishes 12-4, the tie-breaker goes to AU by virtue of their sweep of Franklin.  The six teams in the tournament are now set, with the #2-#6 seeds to be decided by Saturday's games.


TeamOverallHomeAwayRemaining Games
Anderson12-48-04-4
Manchester11-46-15-3vs. HC
Transylvania10-57-13-4@ BU
Hanover9-67-12-5@ MC
Franklin7-83-44-4vs. MSJ
Rose-Hulman7-85-32-5@ DC
Mount St. Joseph5-105-30-7@ FC
Defiance4-113-41-7vs. RHIT
Bluffton3-122-51-7vs. TU

Team#1#2#3#4#5#6In tournament
AU100.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
MC0.00%75.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
TU0.00%25.00%50.00%25.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
HC0.00%0.00%25.00%75.00%0.00%0.00%100.0%
FC0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%25.00%75.00%100.0%
RHIT0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%75.00%25.00%100.0%
[[/table]
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2008, 04:33:56 pm
Congrats to AU on a Championship Season. As a Freshman Lauren Vail was on a team that won 5 games and she is now on a Conference Championship Team as a Senior!!!  Job Well Done Ravens!!!!!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 01, 2008, 10:41:23 am
Anderson/Transy Final today.  Anderson is going to be tough to be to beat.  They are playing well right now.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: brutus on March 07, 2008, 02:33:03 pm
Can anyone explain how Lacey Hornaday, a freshman, made the All-Conference team, but not the All-Freshman team?

And, how did Defiance get 2 players on the team after finishing 8th in the league?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: hcjonesy on March 09, 2008, 06:52:30 pm
The HCAC office considers the HCAC first team as a higher honor than all freshman team.  Therfore, if any player that was a freshman had been voted to the all hcac team, they would not also be recognized for all freshman team.  This rule allows more players to be selected and get awards. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2008, 11:29:37 am
Coaches pick Anderson #1.  That is where I would put them as well.  Looking for a big senior year from Hawthorne and Martin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2009, 07:51:59 am
In case there are any HCAC women's fans lurking out there ... here are the current standings and remaining games:

TeamOverall   Home   Away   Remaining Games
Anderson10-26-04-2@ DC, vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Transylvania9-26-03-2@ RHIT, vs. FC, vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Franklin8-44-14-3@ TU, vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover7-53-34-2@ BU, vs. RHIT, vs. MC, @ FC
Manchester7-54-23-3vs. MSJ, @ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Bluffton4-71-43-3vs. HC, @ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance3-80-53-3vs. AU, vs. MSJ, vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-92-41-5vs. TU, @ HC, @ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph   1-101-60-4@ MC, @ DC, @ FC, vs. TU, @ BU

... and the tournament outlook based on all possible outcomes of the remaining 20 games:
Team    #1#2#3#4#5#6  In tournament
AU    51.54% 36.67%9.41%2.36%0.02%0.00%100.0%
TU    44.70%36.92% 14.85%3.34%0.20%0.00%100.0%
FC    3.64%21.08%41.57% 23.45%10.11%0.15%100.0%
MC    0.11%3.96%17.34%33.22% 42.24%2.95%99.8%
HC    0.02%1.37%16.79%36.67%38.84%5.80%99.5%
BU    0.00%0.00%0.04%0.84%6.19% 61.23%68.3%
DC    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.12%1.81%22.65%24.6%
RHIT    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.59%5.58%6.2%
MSJ    0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%1.64%1.6%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2009, 09:36:51 pm
Revised with today's results:

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Anderson11-26-05-2vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Transylvania10-26-04-2vs. FC, vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Franklin8-44-14-3@ TU, vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Manchester8-55-23-3@ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Hanover7-63-34-3vs. RHIT, vs. MC, @ FC
Bluffton5-72-43-3@ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance3-90-63-3vs. MSJ, vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-102-51-5@ HC, @ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-111-60-5@ DC, @ FC, vs. TU, @ BU

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
AU    52.18%  40.58%  6.26%  0.98%  0.00%  0.00%  100.000%
TU    46.45%  40.70%  10.98%  1.87%  0.00%  0.00%  100.000%
FC    1.37%  15.22%  46.95%  27.76%  8.41%  0.29%  100.000%
MC    0.00%  3.50%  26.06%  40.35%  29.32%  0.77%  100.000%
HC    0.00%  0.00%  9.72%  28.35%  49.84%  12.03%  99.945%
BU    0.00%  0.00%  0.02%  0.70%  12.36%  75.85%  88.927%
DC    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.07%  10.18%  10.249%
RHIT    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.59%  0.586%
MSJ    0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%  0.29%  0.293%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 10, 2009, 08:32:18 am
Thanks Darryl.  I don't check the Women's board very often and I was curious to see if you were running HCAC numbers for the women as well.  Go Beavers!  It would be great to see both the men's and women's teams for the Beavers make their HCAC tournaments.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2009, 10:27:34 pm
In case anyone out there is breathlessly awaiting* the updated standings and tournament scenarios, I am still waiting to see the Bluffton/Anderson score -- it's not yet posted anywhere (AU, d3hoops, or BU -- the latter is currently offline, due to the electrical outage we experienced about 15 minutes ago).

*Hey, anything's possible.

UPDATE: AU's Web site just changed to say that the game was postponed until tomorrow. Can anyone at AU shed some light on what happened?

With that game still pending, here are how things look after tonight's games (HC over RHIT, DC over MSJ, and TU over FC).


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania11-27-04-2vs. BU, @ MSJ, @ AU
Anderson11-26-05-2vs. BU, @ MC, vs. TU
Manchester8-55-23-3@ HC, vs. AU, @ RHIT
Franklin8-54-14-4vs. MSJ, vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover8-64-34-3vs. MC, @ FC
Bluffton5-72-43-3@ AU, @ TU, vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance4-91-63-3vs. RHIT, @ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-112-51-6@ DC, vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-121-60-6@ FC, vs. TU, @ BU

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  In tournament
TU
58.20%  41.77%  0.02%  ------IN!
AU
41.80%  53.91%  3.91%  0.39%  ----IN!
MC
--3.15%  35.35%  29.83%  30.91%  0.76%  IN!
FC
--1.17%  38.09%  37.62%  22.41%  0.71%  IN!
HC
----22.63%  31.42%  40.53%  5.42%  IN!
BU
------0.73%  6.15%  78.69%  85.571%
DC
----------14.43%  14.429%
RHIT
--------------
MSJ
--------------

Rose and MSJ are eliminated from the tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on February 12, 2009, 09:27:48 am
With Anderson up 21-9 with 3 mins in the first half, hopefully the Beavers can use the time to regroup and go back to Anderson and bring home a win.  Go Beavers!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 04:45:59 pm
As WashU33Fan alluded to, the game was postponed because the power went out at AU with 3 minutes left in the first half.  When I wrote this last night:
Can anyone at AU shed some light on what happened?
I did not realize the irony of that question.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 09:51:45 pm
Anderson beat Bluffton 51-39, so AU and TU will be (in some order) #1 and #2, followed (in some order) by FC, MC, and HC, and then either BU or DC.

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
AU
51.95%48.05%--------Yes
TU
48.05%51.95%--------Yes
FC
----40.80%38.31%20.90%--Yes
MC
----37.33%30.44%32.23%--Yes
HC
----21.88%31.25%46.88%--Yes
BU
----------74.76%74.76%
DC
----------25.24%25.24%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2009, 05:22:32 pm
Here are how things stand with today's results:

TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania12-28-04-2@ MSJ, @ AU
Anderson12-27-05-2@ MC, vs. TU
Franklin9-55-14-4vs. HC, vs. DC
Hanover9-65-34-3@ FC
Manchester8-65-23-4vs. AU, @ RHIT
Bluffton5-92-43-5vs. DC, vs. MSJ
Defiance5-92-63-3@ BU, @ FC
Rose-Hulman3-122-51-7vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-131-60-7vs. TU, @ BU

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Transylvania
56.25%43.75%--------Yes
Anderson
43.75%56.25%--------Yes
Franklin
----53.12%32.81%14.06%--Yes
Hanover
----40.62%46.88%12.50%--Yes
Manchester
----6.25%20.31%73.44%--Yes
Bluffton
----------50.00%50.00%
Defiance
----------50.00%50.00%

The BU/DC winner on Wednesday will get the #6 seed.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2009, 10:10:55 pm
Tonight's results:
Anderson 55, Manchester 61
Defiance 69, Bluffton 78
Hanover 88, Franklin 86 (OT)
Transylvania 77, Mt. St. Joseph 76

Saturday's AU/TU game will determine who hosts the tournament.  (If AU wins, they would be tied, but AU hosts because they swept Hanover, while TU split with the Panthers.)

The tie-breaker for Manchester/Franklin is more complicated; I'll spare you the details of how that plays out.


TeamOverall  Home  Away  Remaining Games
Transylvania13-28-05-2@ AU
Anderson12-37-05-3vs. TU
Hanover10-65-35-3
Manchester9-66-23-4@ RHIT
Franklin9-65-24-4vs. DC
Bluffton6-93-43-5vs. MSJ
Defiance5-102-63-4@ FC
Rose-Hulman3-122-51-7vs. MC
Mount St. Joseph1-141-70-7@ BU

Team    #1  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Tournament?
Transylvania
50.00%50.00%--------Yes
Anderson
50.00%50.00%--------Yes
Hanover
----100.00%------Yes
Franklin
------50.00%50.00%--Yes
Manchester
------50.00%50.00%--Yes
Bluffton
----------100.00%Yes
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on September 27, 2009, 05:42:28 pm
Who are the '09-'10 HCAC favorites?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Heartfan on October 12, 2009, 03:32:52 pm
mcbballfan -

Transy is a powerhouse, Hanover, Franklin and Bluffton look really strong returning several veteran players.

MSJ, Defiance and Rose should return most of their squads and should be improved.  Anderson and Manchester lost the bulk of their starters.

Bluffton is my sleeper pick to win the conference tourney.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 12, 2009, 08:29:38 pm
You are right, AU lost a lot of talent.  They graduated their 4 year starting point guard, 3 guard and 4.  Those 3 helped AU to their first 4 consecutive winning seasons in school history.  I am sure Coach Taylor has recruited well and I believe she is one of the most under-rated coaches with x and o's and funds in the conference.

I am looking for Hanover to step up and take the conference this year but Transy will be hard to beat.  I think for Bluffton they have to show they can beat the good conf teams on the road.  They have a unique home court advantage.  Growing up as a team and winning on the road is the next task.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 14, 2009, 06:40:22 pm
MC did lose a lot and will likely have several new faces on the floor this year.  Did any of the HCAC teams bring in highly recruited freshmen that didn't want to go to a "big" school?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: BUBeaverFan on October 15, 2009, 10:02:30 am
http://www.heartlandconf.org/press_releases/2009-10/10_15_earlham

Welcome to the HCAC Earlham!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: overlooked on May 12, 2010, 11:48:19 am
mcbballfan:  I realize your post was for last season, but I will reply for this upcoming season (2010-11).  Franklin College is getting last season's (Indiana) #1 ranked and  3A State Runner-Up Rushville's 5'10" PG Krista Beaman.    Highly Recruited?  Somewhat.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 20, 2010, 08:43:11 pm
overlooked:  Beaman is a nice addition to an already strong team.  Manchester has 5 freshmen, but time will tell if they make an impact this season.  The Spartans lose one senior from last year's team which was filled with injuries, so there is a lot of experience coming back.  Manchester starts the season with a tough week:  at Calvin then at Hope.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on October 26, 2010, 06:33:12 pm
Below is the link to the HCAC preseason poll.  Franklin is favored to repeat with Hanover a close second.

http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2010-11/releases/10_26_wbb_preseason
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: overlooked on November 02, 2010, 03:01:24 pm
Franklin headed north to scrimmage NAIA Honorable Mention (#34) ranked Taylor.   The first half looked like the first half of the first scrimmage game.   Not real sharp or crisp.  Franklin loses the first half.   Regrouped and played much better the second half.  Winning the second half. 

Let's hear about some other teams.  HCAC only has 6 pages of topics in how many years?   What's that phrase they use on the NFL preview show.  "C'mon Man"!
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: zander on December 23, 2010, 09:15:41 pm
any reason why hanover is not getting any votes for top 25?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: mcbballfan on December 26, 2010, 10:40:57 pm
Hanover may get some votes now that they are 8-0.  Strength of schedule may be part of it as well as they seem to have less games in than many schools at this point.  Hanover's opponents have a record of 29-45 with OH Northern at 9-1 being a good quality win.  Manchester was beaten by undefeated Bridgewater last weekend in Florida, and Bridgewater got a vote in the polls for the first time this week.       
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:29:10 pm
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 26, 2011, 04:06:35 pm
Preseason poll has been released http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2011-12/releases/10_25_preseason_poll (http://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2011-12/releases/10_25_preseason_poll)

Franklin (6)     96

Hanover (3)      82
Transylvania (1) 82
Manchester       77
Defiance         50
Rose-Hulman      47
Bluffton         45
Mt St Joseph     33
Anderson         25
Earlham          13
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 08, 2011, 08:43:59 am
Franklin is up to #19 in the rankings and beat previously unbeaten Hanover last night. Rest of the conference seems to be struggling as only Manchester at 4-3 has more than 2 wins so far.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2012, 09:39:32 am
Here's the standings at the end of 2011...

Franklin       4-0    11-0   
Hanover        3-1     7-3   
Manchester     3-1     7-4   
Anderson       2-2     5-6   
Defiance       2-2     4-7   
Transylvania   2-2     4-7   
Mt St Joseph   2-2     2-9 
Earlham        1-3     3-8 
Rose-Hulman    1-3     3-8 
Bluffton       0-4     2-9   


Franklin was ranked 15th in the latest poll (Dec 18th) while Hanover was tied for 36th with 2 votes.
Grizzlies have 5 of their next 6 at home and 7 of 9. Will anyone be able to stop their bid for an unbeaten season?
Unlike the men, all the women's teams have at least 2 wins so far but only 3 teams have winning records.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2012, 06:30:32 pm
The Lady Grizzlies have fallen for the first time this season losing at home 39-36 to Manchester... looks more like a score from football season.
The teams combined for 18 of 87 shooting, 1 of 13 behind the arc, and 40 turnovers. 38 of the 75 points (just over 50%) came from the free throw line.

This means there's a 3 way tie atop the HCAC standings with Franklin, Manchester, and Hanover all 7-1 in conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2012, 04:53:19 am
Final standings for 2011-12...

Franklin        16-2    23-2
Hanover         16-2    20-4
Manchester      13-5    17-8
Transylvania    11-7    13-12
Defiance         9-9    11-14
Bluffton         6-12    8-17
Rose-Hulman      6-12    8-17
Mount St. Joseph 6-12    6-19
Anderson         5-13    8-17
Earlham          2-16    4-21


Pretty close to the preseason poll.

Here's the conference tourney schedule, all games at Franklin

Friday, Feb. 24
Game 1: #5 Defiance vs. #4 Transylvania 6:00 PM
Game 2:  #6 Rose-Hulman vs. #3 Manchester 8:00 PM
Saturday, Feb. 25
Game 3: #4/5 winner at #1 Franklin 3:00 PM
Game 4: #3/6 winner vs. #2 Hanover 5:00 PM
Sunday, Feb. 26
Game 5: Game 3 winner vs. Game 4 winner
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2012, 06:06:16 am
Using percentages from Massey and considering Franklin is at home, the chances of each team winning in each round are:

First Round
4 Transy     56.4%
5 Defiance   43.6%
3 Manchester 90.8%
6 Rose        9.2%


Semi-Finals
1 Franklin   96.4%
4 Transy      2.4%
5 Defiance    1.3%
2 Hanover    84.6%
3 Manchester 15.3%
6 Rose        0.2%


Finals
1 Franklin   57.7%
2 Hanover    39.8%
3 Manchester  2.3%
4 Transy      0.2%
5 Defiance    0.1%
6 Rose        0.0%


There is an 81.5% chance that the championship game will be Franklin vs Hanover

Interestingly, if the tourney was at a neutral site the odds for winning the tourney favor the Panthers...
1 Franklin   41.0% (-16.7%)
2 Hanover    54.2% (+14.4%)
3 Manchester  4.2%  (+1.9%)
4 Transy      0.4%  (+0.2%)
5 Defiance    0.2%  (+0.1%)
6 Rose        0.0%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2012, 02:44:27 pm
Franklin will play WIAC champs UW-Stevens Point in the first round. Their pod will be hosted by Calvin.

Good luck Grizzlies. :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2012, 10:00:01 pm
Franklin falls to UW-Stevens Point 61-58 in the first round. Tied at halftime, Grizzlies were as close as 2 with a couple minutes to go but could get no closer. Franklin finishes the season at 25-3
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 25, 2012, 10:18:58 am
The coaches poll is out and there's not a lot of agreement.

1. Hanover (4)          91
2. Franklin (5)           89
3. Transylvania         77
4. Manchester (1)      74
5. Defiance               58
6. Rose-Hulman        44
7. Bluffton                36
8. Mount St. Joseph   31
9. Anderson              29
10. Earlham              21
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Gray Fox on November 14, 2012, 03:10:20 pm
The coaches poll is out and there's not a lot of agreement.

1. Hanover (4)          91
2. Franklin (5)           89
3. Transylvania         77
4. Manchester (1)      74
5. Defiance               58
6. Rose-Hulman        44
7. Bluffton                36
8. Mount St. Joseph   31
9. Anderson              29
10. Earlham              21
Great competition.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 21, 2012, 08:24:18 am
Just four games into conference play and only 3 teams have lost fewer than 2 games. Looks like Transylvania may be the team to beat so far.
Seems like a lot of the teams are hitting the road over the break... Hanover already went out to California and lost to Redlands, Anderson has a couple games in Atlanta, Transy and Hanover head down to Birmingham for a pair of games, and Manchester heads out west for a couple games in California.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2013, 07:16:29 am
Still a good battle for the top seed with 11 games left. Transy at 6-1 has a slim lead over Franklin, Defiance, and Manchester at 5-2 with Hanover at 4-3. Everyone has won a conference game and everyone but Earlham have won at least two.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2013, 06:01:31 pm
HCAC Tournment picture is clearing up. We know Anderson, Earlham, and Mount St. Joseph will end their season but still a little left to be decided Saturday.

2/19
#5 Manchester/Rose-Hulman/Bluffton @ #4 Defiance/Hanover
#6 Rose-Hulman/Manchester/Bluffton @ #3 Hanover/Defiance

2/22
#4/#5 @ #1 Transylvania
#3/#6 vs #2 Franklin

2/23
Championship Game @ Transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2013, 04:25:28 pm
The field is now set. I will whip up some probabilities once Massey has today's games entered.

All games at Transy
2/22
#5 Manchester vs #4 Defiance
#6 Rose-Hulman vs #3 Hanover

2/23
#4/#5 @ #1 Transylvania
#3/#6 vs #2 Franklin

2/24
Championship Game @ Transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Did the calculations using Massey's percentages against each other and here's the approx chances of the teams winning in each round of the conference tourney

                     QF       SF      Final
1 Transylvania     100%    87.05%    61.94%
4 Defiance          59%     8.85%     2.77%
5 Manchester        41%     4.10%     0.96%
3 Hanover           76%    31.92%     9.70%
6 Rose-Hulman       24%     3.84%     0.46%
2 Franklin         100%    64.24%    24.18%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: dc_has_been on February 21, 2013, 07:57:32 am
Didn't want you to be completely alone FCGrizz ;)

Surprised that neither Franklin or Transy get any top 25 votes.  Based about their nonconf games I understand why they are not in the top 25, but not even a vote?  Franklin was 6-1 in nonconf action and is 8 in their region.  Hopefully, who ever gets the AQ will make some noise in the tourney to get the HCAC more respect. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2013, 02:52:17 pm
Hanover is up at Hope taking on Ohio Northern who has a 25 game win streak. Going to be a tough task but good luck ladies.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2013, 08:11:29 am
The HCAC season has officially come to an end with Hanover's 86-68 loss to Ohio Northern. They were down just 2 early in the 2nd half, but it was all ONU from there.
Title: HCAC 2013
Post by: RHIThoops40 on October 22, 2013, 01:28:20 am
Figured I'd bring something new to the board an RHIT backer. Here goes nothing:

Potentially, if everything falls right, this could be one of R-H's best years. Literally everyone returns and Coach Prevo added 3 to 4 freshmen who can impact and raise the teams athleticism and physicality.

If these questions are answered positively, I feel top 3 is possible:

1. Can Lauren Meadows play the entire season?

2. Will a years maturity and some new talent, reduce the 21 turnovers per game?

3. Will The soccor playing backcourt sophs transition to basketball?

4. Will Addie Johnson be ready to play after fall term internship?

5. Will freshman big, Jamie Loving be in full shape from July knee surgery?( can be a big impact player, along with long range shooter Ava Pera..can't spell it, and Kristin Beleaya, and a couple other frosh)

Should be a fun year for the Engineers.

Kelsey Ploof is not a question. Her effectiveness should increase with help inside.
Title: Re: HCAC 2013
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2013, 04:47:36 am
Figured I'd bring something new to the board an RHIT backer.
Anyone being around is something new to this board :D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 23, 2013, 07:52:09 am
A bit slow on posting this, but here's the coaches poll

1. Transylvania (7)     94
2. Franklin (2)             89
3. Hanover (1)            79
4. Defiance                 65
5. Manchester             60
6. Bluffton                   50
7. Rose-Hulman          46
8. Earlham                   28
9. Anderson                 25
10. Mount St. Joseph   14
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 25, 2013, 02:54:06 pm
Next Wednesday should be a interesting start to Conf play with Hanover at Franklin and Manchester at Definace. I am interested to see how this year plays out. I think it is always a challenge to top Transy. Coach Todd is a great coach.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 04:51:13 pm
Tonight's Hoopsville (Thursday, January 23) is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from Transylvania coach Greg Todd and the following guests:

- Johns Hopkins WBB coach Nancy Funk
- William Smith WBB coach Lindsay Drury Sharman
- School of the Week: Schreiner and MBB coach Jimmy Smith
- Mount Union MBB coach Michael Fuline
- #25 Dubuque MBB coach Robbie Sieverding

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2014, 08:09:21 am
Using Massey's predictions... here's the odds for winning at each round of the HCAC tourney...

                   QF         SF         Final
1 Transylvania    100%      92.26%      80.21%
                 
4 Bluffton         42%       2.52%       0.83%
5 Manchester       58%       5.22%       2.06%
                 

3 Franklin         82%      41.82%       7.50%
6 Rose-Hulman      18%       3.60%       0.18%
                 
2 Hanover         100%      54.58%       9.22%
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2014, 07:56:52 am
Transylvania will face Ohio Northern at DePauw at 5pm Friday. The conference has lost in the first round each of the last four years (twice Franklin, twice Hanover) including Ohio Northern beating Hanover last year. The last win was Transy in 2009.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 30, 2014, 03:06:59 am
Coaches Poll is out. Once again Transy is picked to finish 1st.

1) Transylvania (7)     97
2) Hanover (2)            88
3) Franklin (1)            75
4) Bluffton                  68
5) Manchester            64
6) Defiance                45
7) Rose-Hulman        40
8) Earlham                 36
9) Mount St. Joseph  19
10) Anderson            18
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 02, 2014, 01:15:21 am
The Hiram-Mount St Joseph game tomorrow will be televised (http://www.1more4lauren.com/watch/) live at 2pm ET/11am PT. #1More4Lauren
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2014, 08:29:53 pm
What an amazing young woman.    I only wish there were more people who followed women's basketball to hear of her incredible struggle and the positive outlook she has maintained in the face of such challenges.


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
Ron -

ESPN was at her house all week.  Tom Rinaldi's story about her is supposed to air tonight at 11.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2014, 11:14:07 am
Lauren Hill is still fighting. She made the trip to Baldwin-Wallace for the BW Invitational. She got in the game briefly with under 8 minutes left in the second half against Bethany and made another basket. MSJ was down 53-33 with 12 minutes left in the game but outscored Bethany 31-16 the rest of the way including Lauren's basket. Unfortunately they came up short losing by 5.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2014, 04:23:52 pm
Hospice care has started for Lauren Hill... but apparently she still boarded the bus today for their game at Transylvania... incredible.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 18, 2014, 11:53:50 am
Lauren Hill's career has finished. She will now be an honorary coach for MSJ. http://apne.ws/1zxb7ms (http://apne.ws/1zxb7ms)
She played 4 games and scored 10 points on 5 of 8 shooting plus 1 rebound.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2015, 06:17:34 am
Lauren Hill received an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from MSJ on Friday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 24, 2015, 09:27:19 am
Interesting that the seeding for the tournament this year is exactly the same as last year. :o

Using Massey's predictions... here's the odds for winning at each round of the HCAC tourney...

                   QF         SF         Final
1 Transylvania    100%      85.44%      69.14%
                 
4 Bluffton         57%       9.41%       4.35%
5 Manchester       43%       5.16%       2.06%
                 

3 Franklin         52%      16.64%       2.62%
6 Rose-Hulman      48%      14.88%       2.18%
                 
2 Hanover         100%      68.48%      19.65%

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2015, 06:57:18 am
The Transylvania women finally ended the conference's one and done streak at 4 years last year. Hopefully it was the start of a new trend of success.
Good luck to Hanover playing at DePauw and Transy who will play Wittenburg at WashU.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bulk19 on April 11, 2015, 10:49:23 am
Condolences to the family, friends, and teammates of Lauren Hill... What an amazing and inspirational woman... God bless...
Mandatory reading this week is to click on Pat C's story on the front of the D3 hoops website, and to read the three stories that are linked within his wonderful tribute to someone who we should all aspire to be like...
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2015, 01:25:09 pm
Link to the Lauren Hill story

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/04/lauren-hill-an-appreciation
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:58 pm
Lauren Hill is honored with an ESPY tonight for "best moment."
Her wonderful legacy lives on...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/lauren-hill-honroed-espys-best-moment-article-1.2293824
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 29, 2015, 01:55:31 am
Coaches Poll is out. Transy trying to win their 4th straight title.

1) Transylvania (6)      96
2) Bluffton (2)              88
3) Hanover (1)             70
4) Rose-Hulman (1)     68
5) Franklin                   67
T6) Defiance                49
T6) Manchester           49
8) Earlham                  33
9) Mount St. Joseph    16
10) Anderson              14
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:18:16 pm
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Guests include (in order):
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- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:39:05 pm
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2016, 09:52:34 pm
2016-17 Coaches Poll

1) Rose-Hulman (10)  100
2) Bluffton                    85
3) Transylvania            80
4) Franklin                    68
5) Hanover                   55
6) Defiance                   52
7) Mount St. Joseph     39
8) Manchester              31
9) Earlham                   23
10) Anderson               17
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: deiscanton on December 08, 2017, 03:19:53 pm
New schedule for the Fred Raizk Memorial Tournament-- Wilmington, Ohio

All tip times Eastern

Tuesday, December 19, 2017-- Wilmington v Earlham-- 7 PM
Wednesday, December 20, 2017-- Chicago v Earlham-- 6 PM
Thursday, December 21, 2017-- Chicago v Wilmington-- 1 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:40:07 pm
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:10:00 pm
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 05:38:18 pm
The final week of the 2017-18 season is upon us. In a week's time, the topic will be who has punched their tickets to the NCAA tournaments and who is hoping to get selected. This week... we don't know many of the answers and some questions have yet to be considered.

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:02:31 pm
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 03:34:55 pm
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:55:32 pm
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:03:55 pm
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 02, 2019, 06:41:55 pm
#18 Transylvania dancing into the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament after beating Piedmont 77-67 and Oglethorpe 76-56. Tough matchup next against either #1 Thomas More or #5 Trine.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on April 15, 2019, 11:52:28 am
Congrats to Transy on a fine year and unquestionably the finest post-season in women's HCAC/CAC/ICAC history.

Transy had a good team this year, but perhaps more than any other team I have ever seen, in any sport, this Transy team both depended and thrived on home games. Every significant win they had came at home. Beating Trine, and, to a lesser extent, Emory, basically made their season - both games at home. They were absolutely throttled by an underappreciated Rose-Hulman on the road, and they lost to the only other above-average team they played, Johns Hopkins, at a neutral site.

Good team, for sure, but when you can play virtually every meaningful game of your season, including two NCAA Tournament games, in the place where you are most comfortable, it is a HUGE advantage, ESPECIALLY for a team like Transy that depends SO much on shooting and making 3-pointers. They seemed SO comfortable at home, in fact, that I wouldn't have been shocked to see them beat Thomas More in a hypothetical game in Transy's gym...
Title: Rose
Post by: Jester1390 on August 14, 2019, 07:26:34 pm
Engineer my daughter is going to play for rose can you tell me about the other teams in the conference far as who has nice gyms and cities to visit 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2019, 08:00:12 pm
Hey there -- welcome to the board. Just merging this in here.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 19, 2019, 06:36:45 pm
Here is film on the recruiting class of Rose

Jordan Barlow  Kansas   www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6

www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6


Kahlan Jester    3 pointers    www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b167438641e0cdcd7c9a6

      2 pointers  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b26b6c1250b0e74cedbb5

       Assists and Ball handling  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b2da8066b380d90bf6933

      Rebounds,Blocks,Steals  www.hudl.com/video/3/8865272/5a9b32f3ff0ca8053ce653a9

complete game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVgVjNvlQ1c&t=3794s
 

   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 19, 2019, 06:48:14 pm
More players

Rose Burnham   https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6927618/Rose-Burnham

Nosa Igiehon  https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon    Double-Double

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon    Double-double

https://www.hudl.com/profile/6744749/nosawaru-igiehon  Double-Double
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:13:14 am
https://www.hudl.com/profile/9527266/McKenna-Kallianis
5'10 Wing
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:15:11 am
Desirae Webster
5'7 PG
https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/desirae-webster/RD8-LqXMEeaAdqA2nzwY6g/videos.htm?videoid=46753abc-82e2-4f1a-b024-eafb29332587
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 11:19:27 am
Transfer from Bradley
Shooter
Check out the very last shot on the first film - nothing but net from beyond the volleyball line.
https://www.hudl.com/profile/10565665/Nola-Wilson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on August 27, 2019, 12:08:30 pm
 Welcome to the board, Jester, and try not to get your hopes up too much - you're the first new person to the HCAC board since I joined 5 years ago. There's a Franklin grad around here somewhere, but he's long-gone since their women's program's glory days, and even then, there was never anyone for him to converse with.

There might not be a team in COLLEGE BASKETBALL that lost a higher percentage of its minutes, points, and rebounds. It will be interesting to see what happens this year with all the new faces - my son and daughter-in-law get to some games (mostly men's games) and he heard that the incoming freshmen group might be among the best in the country - but will be interesting with Freshmen playing a lot of minutes. What have YOU heard about RHIT's incoming class and projected competitive-ness in the HCAC this year?

Whenever I get lonely, I saunter over to the CCIW board, since RHIT usually plays some of their teams and  there are some good guys over there who are very knowledgeable and genuinely care about the sport - but be forewarned - they have zero respect for the conference, like the majority of D-III. If RHIT happens to play IL. Wesleyan this year and loses, you can expect a full re-cap along with half a dozen commentators - but if RHIT were to happen to win, it will be as if the game never occurred. RHIT blasted IWU by 30 back in 2015, and it is literally the only game in the history of the CCIW board that was not reported nor commented on...as though it never happened.

Also - you will be struck by how long and athletic the better D-III teams are - and you'll wonder how in the world that kind of talent wound up in D-III relying solely on merit and need-based financial aid. PART of the answer is that better-educated families with high-academic daughters will CONSIDER playing down for academics. Another part is that there are a disproportionately high percentage of U. of Wisconsin schools (that are hyper-competitive in D-III sports in general but WBB in particular) and, to a lesser extent, some state schools back East, where it costs a tiny fraction of what you are paying at RHIT, to attend and play. As an example, UW-Whitewater extends in-state tuition to neighboring states, likely to help them out in sports. If you think I'm exaggerating, check out their football roster!

As for schools without elite academics or cut-rate public-school tuition, that still manage to field elite teams in certain sports year-in-and-out (excepting the occasional good recruiting class of local kids), well....

As for your questions...

Best facilities are, in order, and in IMHO:

RHIT
Transy
Bluffton
Hanover
Earlham
Franklin
Anderson
MSJ
Manchester
Defiance

Best city to visit is by FAR Lexington for variety of hotels and food, followed by Franklin (on the south side of Indy) and, believe it or not, Terre Haute - but only because the other options are so bad. We drove over a few years ago to watch my great-niece play and very nearly got lost trying to find a decent restaurant at MSJ. You would think the options when visiting MSJ would be better, being practically in Cincinnati - but it is up on top of a small mountain on the outskirts of town, and is a 20-minute drive over another mountain on a two-lane road through several pastoral neighborhoods, to get to a hotel or restaurants. Additionally, the school itself is oddly a large single building, resembling an older-looking brick hospital from the 1950's. Perhaps the only college in America (certainly of my own experience) that is entirely self-contained within a single large building - dorms, classrooms, cafeteria, and athletic facilities all under one roof.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 28, 2019, 09:18:50 am
Welcome to the board, Jester, and try not to get your hopes up too much - you're the first new person to the HCAC board since I joined 5 years ago. There's a Franklin grad around here somewhere, but he's long-gone since their women's program's glory days, and even then, there was never anyone for him to converse with.
Yeah, it's generally quite quiet around here, there's usually not much of a reason to check in too often. The mens board is pretty similar too. Football board gets a little bit of action at least. The problem is there just aren't very many HCAC folks around here.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 28, 2019, 08:39:33 pm
well now there is 3 lol
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on August 28, 2019, 08:40:38 pm
we leave tomorrow to bring her to campus. Exciting times
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 10, 2019, 05:45:13 pm
Met all the freshman and they are tall and athletic and the guard destiny is really quick
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on September 10, 2019, 05:50:50 pm
messed up her name is Desirae
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 12, 2019, 01:19:55 am
Engin

My daughter is home for the weekend they start practice next week.  I dont know much about the history of RHIT basketball except they have been really good the past few years but after seeing how my kid and the other students have to adapt to the rigors of this school academically and then also juggle sports if they didnt win a game they would have my respect.  However that is not going to happen I have heard also that they believe the freshman class is extremely strong.  I believe there is 4 returning players.  My daughter is coming from a bad high school program where she was asked to do it all.  I cannot tell you how excited she is to play with talented women and to finally have help with that burden.  My daughter grew up as a point guard and then all of sudden shot to 6 feet.  For the last 3 years she has been told you wont have to play point  you can be a 2 or 3 but it always ended up the team needed her at point.   At Rose that wont be an issue  and I liked it when the coach called her a point forward.  I dont have any experience with the conference i dont know if its like MIAC which is strong or the UMAC which is weaker.  I do know that it sounds like the chemistry is really good allready with all the players  and  I have not seen my daughter this excited to play ball in a long time.

oh also on MSJ . I have a school just like you described,  My daughters high school coach knows the coach at Mayville its a NAIA power team.  it was the first school she visited as a junior.   It was a one block campus and the assistant coach asked her where she was from and she said Minneapolis she said why would you want to come here,   Amazing lol  I had brought one of her friends with  who struggled more academically so she could see a NAIA school.  My son played baseball for Doane and it was a great campus.   Mayville is not.  They both told me they would pay me not to go to school there. They do have a good basketball program though,
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 14, 2019, 02:08:37 pm
I dont have any experience with the conference i dont know if its like MIAC which is strong or the UMAC which is weaker.
Definitely not MIAC level, a bit better than UMAC. Transy winning 2 playoff games last year I think were the first wins for the conference since 2014.
Most of the schools average a bit over 1000 students. Rose is the largest in the conference with around 2000 I believe.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 14, 2019, 06:15:58 pm
I know Rose almost beat Gustavus. If my daughter stayed home that would be the college she would have attended.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 15, 2019, 04:49:25 pm
ok i have basketball fever it was hell not having my daughter play AAU this summer. She got offered to play in the MIAC summer season but she didnt want to play on teams that recruited her. Does HCAC have a summer league  I know Rose doesnt do one if there is due to internships.

I know not all rosters are posted yet but how do you think the conference will look like.  How did the st. mary crosstown start.  What is coach prevos reputation.  in all my dealings with him he has been terrific.   Rose was the last school she would visit and they did something real smart.  The head of the school told her "Kahlan its great that your a terrific basketball player and we look forward to having you play but your hear because of your mind and you wouldn't be here if we felt you would not flourish here.  That meant alot to her and got her to pass up full rides from D2 and Naia schools.  Coach Prevo also told her that her hard work had given her options and she should be proud of that. That to many kids dont have the options they may only have one offer or cant afford a school so they attend a university they may not want to or take a major thats not their first choice.  To be frank they didnt make her feel like a piece of meat.  Some will argue with me and have that the following sentiment kept her from being a D1 player they may be right i Have no ideal but when she says basketball is part of me but not who I am. Im proud of that.  There is no WNBA for my daughter she has already stated that she is going to treat these 4 years as her Wnba career and also to get the experiences team wise she wasnt able to have in high school.

ok enough rambling dont have anyone to talk to about their kids experience as she is the only one from her school to play college,
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 15, 2019, 07:40:26 pm
ok i have basketball fever it was hell not having my daughter play AAU this summer. She got offered to play in the MIAC summer season but she didnt want to play on teams that recruited her. Does HCAC have a summer league  I know Rose doesnt do one if there is due to internships.
I don't believe the HCAC has anything like that.

I know not all rosters are posted yet but how do you think the conference will look like.   
My guess is Transylvania is still the team to beat, but Rose and Hanover will be in the mix. They've been in the top 4 for the past few years. Hard to say until rosters are set.

How did the st. mary crosstown start. 
I don't know the origins, but I know St Mary-of-the-Woods was an all women school until just a few years ago. RHIT was all male until the 90s I think.
My guess is that the Hulman family connections are the reason. They're best known now for IndyCar and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway but originally Hulman & Company was founded in the mid 1800s in Terre Haute for groceries and best known for Clabber Girl baking powder. A few of the females in the Hulman family went to St Mary while the Hulman name was added to Rose Polytechnic in 1971 for their contributions there.
There's also Indiana State located between the two but they're a D1 program.

What is coach prevos reputation.  in all my dealings with him he has been terrific.   Rose was the last school she would visit and they did something real smart.  The head of the school told her "Kahlan its great that your a terrific basketball player and we look forward to having you play but your hear because of your mind and you wouldn't be here if we felt you would not flourish here.  That meant alot to her and got her to pass up full rides from D2 and Naia schools.  Coach Prevo also told her that her hard work had given her options and she should be proud of that. That to many kids dont have the options they may only have one offer or cant afford a school so they attend a university they may not want to or take a major thats not their first choice.  To be frank they didnt make her feel like a piece of meat.  Some will argue with me and have that the following sentiment kept her from being a D1 player they may be right i Have no ideal but when she says basketball is part of me but not who I am. Im proud of that.  There is no WNBA for my daughter she has already stated that she is going to treat these 4 years as her Wnba career and also to get the experiences team wise she wasnt able to have in high school.

ok enough rambling dont have anyone to talk to about their kids experience as she is the only one from her school to play college,
I can't say from personal experience (bowling was my sport of choice but wasn't offered at Franklin), but certainly the student part of student-athlete is far more emphasized than at a larger school.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 05:37:10 pm
Lol what happened on here, I was going through all the old posts just to get a feel for the history of the conference and when you get to 2015 its like a massacre happened and everyone disappeared.  Grizz your the only one left lol the others like passengers on a flight in the Bermuda Triangle Poof.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 18, 2019, 07:14:41 pm
Lol what happened on here, I was going through all the old posts just to get a feel for the history of the conference and when you get to 2015 its like a massacre happened and everyone disappeared.  Grizz your the only one left lol the others like passengers on a flight in the Bermuda Triangle Poof.

 Your frequent posting may inspire others to (re)join the forum; it's tough to stay interested if nobody's posting.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:28:40 pm
Lol Im a basketball junky and with my daughter being a freshman ill be here for awhile.  My daugther is in shape and she has had aau coaches who always say there is in shape and then their is basketball in shape.  She worked hard for college this summer but after a couple of practices  she has now added there is Rose Hulman shape.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 09:30:38 pm
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 10:32:20 pm
Ok was bored watching baseball game here is some food for fodder,

This is what each team graduated pts and rebound wise. Not all teams have new rosters up but i also included juniors who are not on the roster anymore.  Will start most loss pts a game  to least

1. Rose Hulman  6 seniors  55 pts 30 rebounds   New roster not posted yet. i know though that was freshman is no longer playing due to knee injury.

2. Transylvania  5 seniors  29pts 10 rebounds    All juniors are back

3. Mount St Joesph  3 seniors  23pts 14 reb     new roster not posted

4.Defiance   3 seniors  23 pts 12 rebounds   new roster not posted

5.Manchester  5 seniors 22pts 15 reb     new roster not posted

6.Bluffton    1 senior didnt average over one  however they have 4 juniors not on this years roster who averaged 15 pts and 10 rebounds would be interesting to know what happened there,  Hamline University in the MIAC went through a similar thing. Older players tried to start a  coup with new coach and they all quit and Hamline went on to have their best year in a long time. I coached 2 of the players on that team.

7.Hanover 3 seniors 15 pts 5 reb   2 juniors not back   2pts 1 reb

8.Franklin  1 senior 10 pts 4 reb all juniors back

9. Earlham 7 pts 4 reb 1 junior not back 7 pts 2 reb

10.Anderson   0 seniors      1 junior not back 1pt 1 reb
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2019, 11:40:51 pm
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it

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Karma is an optional feature that shows the popularity of a certain member. The administrator can enable this from core features. When members are allowed, they can Applaud or Smite a member to raise or lower that member's karma.
When you have enough posts on the boards (can't remember what it is as I hit it a long time ago) you'll unlock the ability to applaud or smite people. It will be located right underneath the karma score. Ultimately it doesn't do anything special but it's a nice way to show appreciation for posts that were helpful/liked/etc or to show displeasure with someone who's being chaotic and disruptive. So right now I've been applauded 480 times and smited 49.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2019, 11:49:45 pm
I have another question what is the karma score and what affects it

Quote
Karma is an optional feature that shows the popularity of a certain member. The administrator can enable this from core features. When members are allowed, they can Applaud or Smite a member to raise or lower that member's karma.
When you have enough posts on the boards (can't remember what it is as I hit it a long time ago) you'll unlock the ability to applaud or smite people. It will be located right underneath the karma score. Ultimately it doesn't do anything special but it's a nice way to show appreciation for posts that were helpful/liked/etc or to show displeasure with someone who's being chaotic and disruptive. So right now I've been applauded 480 times and smited 49.

The applaud/smite buttons appear after your 200th post.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 18, 2019, 11:53:32 pm
Mr Ypsi you must have some controversial posts lol   with all your smits
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2019, 01:11:39 am
 By a margin of .15%, we love Mr. Ypsi's posts.    :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 21, 2019, 06:11:24 pm
Ok was bored watching baseball game here is some food for fodder,

This is what each team graduated pts and rebound wise. Not all teams have new rosters up but i also included juniors who are not on the roster anymore.  Will start most loss pts a game  to least

1. Rose Hulman  6 seniors  55 pts 30 rebounds   New roster not posted yet. i know though that was freshman is no longer playing due to knee injury.

2. Transylvania  5 seniors  29pts 10 rebounds    All juniors are back

3. Mount St Joesph  3 seniors  23pts 14 reb     new roster not posted

4.Defiance   3 seniors  23 pts 12 rebounds   new roster not posted

5.Manchester  5 seniors 22pts 15 reb     new roster not posted

6.Bluffton    1 senior didnt average over one  however they have 4 juniors not on this years roster who averaged 15 pts and 10 rebounds would be interesting to know what happened there,  Hamline University in the MIAC went through a similar thing. Older players tried to start a  coup with new coach and they all quit and Hamline went on to have their best year in a long time. I coached 2 of the players on that team.

7.Hanover 3 seniors 15 pts 5 reb   2 juniors not back   2pts 1 reb

8.Franklin  1 senior 10 pts 4 reb all juniors back

9. Earlham 7 pts 4 reb 1 junior not back 7 pts 2 reb

10.Anderson   0 seniors      1 junior not back 1pt 1 reb


I wouldn't worry about Bluffton. Their sports information is always a hot mess. Until recently every single sentence in every single paragraph in every story on that website ended with an exclamation point.

Their WBB Twitter page has a photo of five incoming freshmen - one of whom looks to be at least 6'1. They did lose some seniors this year, but none that weren't replace-able from what I could tell - I rarely see any games in person anymore since my neice graduated but I still keep up with them because it's so much fun to see the frustration when teams lose to the smart girls! Bluffton usually have a few solid kids in every recruiting class. Well-coached and tough to beat at their place.

Transy and Hanover, on paper, should be the pre-season #1 and #2. If I were a betting man I'd say Hanover is the team to beat. Transy is a COMPLETELY different team on the road vs. at home, so hosting rights are HUGE! RHIT is very much on terra incognita right now, will be fun to see what kind of team emerges with all the young blood - apparently many of the new players were very highly recruited and capable of playing at a high level, but you never know what you'll get with such youth. They might finish anywhere from 4th to actually winning it. Hanover has a solid nucleus returning and likely recruited well also.

other HCAC programs:
#4 - Bluffton (always dangerous and well-coached and if they picked up some great freshmen look out)
#5 - Franklin (good players and they have recruited well recently)
#6 - Anderson (this SHOULD be the year they take some steps toward being competitive - had the Fresh. of year and 2-3 other good freshmen last year)

Manchester - extremely well-coached
Earlham - Good enough to beat teams they shouldn't, especially at home mid-week
MSJ - They lost the 2nd-best PG in the league and another really good player. Depends on how they recruited.
Defiance - Could contend for top 6. Well-coached and played both RHIT and Hanover tough last year I believe

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 22, 2019, 02:16:15 am
who is usually the doormat. I know the rose players all know the winning tradition at Rose the last few years,  They are embracing the challenge of not just hopefully filling the shoes of the class that just graduated and did so many thing but getting even bigger shoes.  They are such a large class lots of post players.  Nosa can jump out of the gym. My daughter had to play point alot out of high school and she isnt slow for a 6 footer but she said she is slow compared to Desiree and some of the others., kahlan has played with very quick girls in AAu. But Desiree is the quickest she has played with.  Rose is a machine inside.  All the other freshman can hoop. My daughter cant believe what it is like to play with everyone knowing how to play.   There is only 3 older players returning  I believe one isnt able to come back from concussions from last year. Not 100 percent on that I know she was still hurting when school started.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 22, 2019, 11:37:53 am
Doormat?
Hmm...the only school who has not finished in the top six (and thus qualified for the HCAC Tournament) at least once in the past decade is Anderson. Anderson has always had some talent and coaching - but they keep losing layers to either injury or just quitting basketball altogether. They have had two really outstanding PG's in the past five years that each quit the team (and possibly school altogether) and, coincidentally one of the more recent games I attended was at Anderson and I just asked an Anderson parent I sat next to what happened to them and was told they left school to get married (it's a church school). They have recruited fairly well recently so I'm expecting them to eventually start winning a bit - they had RHIT on the ropes at their place last season and, but for a couple late turnovers, probably should have won.
Talent-wise, Transylvania and Hanover (RHIT is unknown quantity so leaving them out) are considerably further ahead of the other seven teams, but probably all of them are just good enough to win a home game vs. either if they don't play well. Feels like the rest of the conference is slowly catching up to the top 3 schools. Will be intriguing to see the new RHIT team - I'm sure everyone is hoping they will be down this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on October 22, 2019, 06:21:12 pm
Agree that Transylvania and Hanover for now seem to be in the top group based on the proven pieces they each have. Transylvania is probably the deeper team with 2 returning 1st team all conference players back with Boyle and Woodard and an honorable mention returning point guard in Zenoviah Walker. They also have some very good size working in the pivot with Otero and Hardiman.

Hanover will always have a chance with returning HCAC player of the year Alexis Nall, but as of right now I don't believe they have the depth Transylvania does. Should be a fun season to watch playout. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 23, 2019, 05:00:20 pm
Rose_Hulman roster for this year  4 returning players and 7 freshman.  The 8th freshman decided Rose was not what she wanted.

2019-20 Rose-Hulman Women's Basketball Roster
No.   Name   Pos.   Cl.   Ht.   Major   Hometown/High School
10   Stacy Fox   G   Jr.   5-6   Mechanical Engineering   Westport, Ind. / South Decatur
12   Desirae Webster   G   Fr.   5-7   Civil Engineering   Power Springs, Ga. / Hillgrove
14   Nola Wilson   G   Fr.   5-6   Biomedical Engineering   Indianapolis, Ind. / Tindley
21   Jordan Barlow   F   Fr.   6-1   Mechanical Engineering   Haven, Kan. / Haven
24   Hannah Woody   G   Sr.   5-7   Electrical Engineering   Cincinnati, Ohio / Milford
25   Morgan Brown   G   Jr.   5-9   Computer Engineering   Rolesville, N.C. / Rolesville
30   Caitlin Young   F   So.   5-9   Chemical Engineering   Flower Mound, Texas / Flower Mound
33   Kahlan Jester   G   Fr.   6-0   Chemical Engineering   New Brighton, Minn. / Irondale
45   Avery Lewman   F   Fr.   5-10   Mechanical Engineering   Muncie, Ind. / Delta
50   Rose Burnham   F   Fr.   5-11   Mechanical Engineering   South Riding, Va. / Freedom
54   Nosa Igiehon   F   Fr.   6-0   Chemical Engineering   Wheeling, Ill. / Wheeling
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 24, 2019, 11:14:22 pm
Well the pressure is going to be on the freshman at Rose, A upperclassmen decided to stop playing today.  That leaves them with 3 returning players and 7 freshman and one of the returning players is hurt and will be out for a while.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 25, 2019, 11:40:19 am
Well engine,


Rose has to be the youngest team in D3 and probably all of basketball except JUCOs.  I have confidence in my daughter and the class looks really talented but oh my they are young.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on October 25, 2019, 04:35:20 pm
Well engine,


Rose has to be the youngest team in D3 and probably all of basketball except JUCOs.  I have confidence in my daughter and the class looks really talented but oh my they are young.

Love your passion for your daughters new team, I will make it a point to go and watch them when they come to Lexington to play Transylvania. Good luck on their season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 25, 2019, 04:49:20 pm
Thanks I will be there we will know a lot more about them by then
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2019, 03:32:02 pm
I'm intrigued about the comment "MIAA summer league." I hope the coaches aren't involved in that. I will have to ask around, because those kinds of things aren't sanctioned in DIII. They have to be a completely student-run option. Maybe someone was selling a bill of goods or I am not aware of something else.

I am familiar with summer leagues where DIII players get together and play, but it is usually a bit more informal and not necessarily against one another.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: ronk on October 29, 2019, 04:07:13 pm
I'm intrigued about the comment "MIAA summer league." I hope the coaches aren't involved in that. I will have to ask around, because those kinds of things aren't sanctioned in DIII. They have to be a completely student-run option. Maybe someone was selling a bill of goods or I am not aware of something else.

I am familiar with summer leagues where DIII players get together and play, but it is usually a bit more informal and not necessarily against one another.

 There's been a Philly suburban summer women's college league for years; D2 and D3 players can play with college teammates on the same team; only D1 players are restricted in whom their summer teammates can be.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2019, 05:49:49 pm
Itís the Miac    They have a summer league ran through the YWCA.  All Miac teams play plus I think there is some alumni teams.   There are no coaches involved.   If it not legal the. The whole Miac is in trouble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2019, 07:14:22 pm
I shouldnt say all Miac teams play but alot do,   I became aware of it as Tanysha Scott runs the YWCA in Minneapolis.  Tanysha is part of the Jada Hill family which is a royal basketball pedigrees through out there whole family. She won a state tiltle last year coaching DeLasalle High school. She coached my daughter in AAU. She offered to have Kahlan join one of the teams but my daughter decided not too. She just felt bad that she had told a lot of local coaches no and didnt want girls being upset for taking any time from local players when she was not going to play in state. I never went to a game but i have girls i coached in youth that play for MIAC teams and i know that its all run by the girls and the girls have to pay.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:15:05 pm
Well the pressure is on. Here is the pre season poll. They got a first place vote which if i take my bias away is remarkable to me. We will start to get a taste of who they are when they scrimmage Greenville University this weekend. Greenville was 23-5 last year
2019-20 HCAC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL PRESEASON POLL
(#) Denotes First Place Votes

1.   Transylvania University (8)   90
2.   Hanover College (1)   88
3.   Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (1)   62
4.   Anderson University   59
5.   Franklin College   54
6.   Bluffton University   52
7.   Defiance College   50
8.   Earlham College   39
9.   Mount St. Jospeh University   38
10.   Manchester University   18
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:16:51 pm
on Conference site

2019-20 HCAC Players to Watch:

Anderson
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Payton Moore   SO   Spiceland, Ind.   Forward
Lexi Dellinger   SO   Berne, Ind.   Guard
Hannah Hawkins   JR   Fairmount, Ind.   Center

Bluffton
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
TJ Mills   SR   Dayton, Ohio   Guard
Brianna Gillig   SO   New Riegel, Ohio   Forward
Kylie Brock   JR   Villa Hills, Ky.    Guard

Defiance
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Danielle Carruthers   SR   New London, Ohio   Post
Liz Martin   SR   Bellefontaine, Ohio   Guard
Kalyn Pickens   JR   Fort Wayne, Ind.    Guard
Taylor Day   SO   West Mansfield, Ohio   Guard

Earlham
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Zoe Curtis   SR   New Castle, Ind.   Center
Camryn White   SR   Louisville, Ky.   Guard
Kayla Bowling   JR   Osgood, Ind.    Guard
Acacia Tenette   JR   Sacramento, Calif.   Guard

Franklin
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Bayleigh Walker   JR   Plainfield, Ind.    Forward
Jessica Nix   SO   Martinsville, Ind.   Guard
Britney Ballard   SO   Columbus, Ind.   Guard
Destinee Cross   SO   Lafayette, Ind.   Forward

Hanover
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Alexis Nall   SR   Mr. Vernon, Ind.   Forward
Katie Hartman   SR   Madison, Ind.   Guard
Brooke Todd   SR   Vevay, Ind.   Guard

Manchester
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Nicole Weaver   SR   Fort Wayne, Ind.   Guard

Mount St. Joseph
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Maddie Haberthy   JR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard
Mackenzie Marcum   JR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard

Rose-Hulman
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Hannah Woody   SR   Cincinnati, Ohio   Guard
Morgan Brown   JR   Rolesville, N.C.   Guard
Desirae Webster   FR   Powder Springs, Ga.   Guard
Kahlan Jester   FR   New Brighton, Minn.   Guard
Nosa Igiehon   FR   Wheeling, Ill.   Forward
Rose Burnham   FR   South Riding, Va.   Forward

Transylvania
Name   Class   Hometown   Position
Shelby Boyle   SR   Morgantown, W.Va.   Forward
Ashton Woodard   SR   Mt. Sterling, Ky.    Guard
Novi Walker   JR   Danville, Ky.   Point Guard
Elizabeth Hardiman   JR   Wincherster, Ky.   Center
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 12:20:00 pm
It shows you how young Rose is.  They are the only team with a freshman listed for players to watch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on October 31, 2019, 12:54:54 pm
Thanks Jester1390, I checked the HCAC site last night and the preseason poll was not up yet. So you are on top of it, good job you. I am surprised that Rose-Hulman got a 1st place vote, I would of thought that Transy would of gotten 9 votes and the Transy coach would of case her vote for Hanover. It is not a big deal and meaningless in the big picture of things, but it would be interesting to know who voted for Hanover and Rose-Hulman with their 1st place votes. Is there some old, bad blood somewhere in HCAC country?

I hadn't given Rose-Hulman a lot of thought going into this season, but because of your passion here I have Feb. 8th marked on the calendar for RHIT's visit to Lexington. By that time freshman will no longer be playing like freshman. Should be fun to watch.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 31, 2019, 01:44:50 pm
The women's and mens polls are remarkable similar including the same teams making up the top 6 (conference tournament teams).
Top 3 are the same (Transy, Hanover, Rose)
4-6 are the same teams but different order (Franklin, Bluffton, Anderson)
7 and 9 are swapped (MSJ and Defiance)
8 and 10 are the same (Earlham and Manchester).

Also, if you take away the local Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and Illinois players to watch... you're left with Earlham having one from California, Transy has one from West Virginia, and Rose with 4 from Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, and Minnesota.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on October 31, 2019, 03:20:49 pm
Not surprised that RHIT got a vote - From everything I have read (and watched-they all have film available online), RHIT has a very talented Freshmen class. The issues to watch will be:
 - #1 - Will they play like Freshmen or will they adjust very quickly to the college game (much like the class that just graduated-which was 23-4 their Freshman year), or will they struggle with the vast differences from the high school game. Looks like there will be many times this season where there will be five first-year players on the floor!
 - #2 - Depth. Doesn't look like they have much and will need to avoid foul trouble and injuries all season.

Bottom line is RHIT attracts tough-minded kids whom are not afraid of a challenge - that's one of the reasons they are always an elite program defensively. They were not terribly diverse offensively over the past few seasons because they were not a great outside-shooting team, but from what I can see online, that has been addressed via recruiting.

Again, just spit-balling here based on what I can find online but a comparison to the recently-departed team would be:

PG - Bromenschenkel's length was an absolute killer and she got the ball down the floor and got the offense going and rarely turned the ball over. She scored when the opportunity was there but her strengths were her defensive presence and her steadiness at the PG position. The freshman from Georgia looks to be MUCH quicker North/South and at least as good a shooter. Will be interesting to see if her quickness will compensate for the loss of length at that position.

Wing 2 and 3 - Woody will get a chance to shine a bit and earn more playing time. Huge question mark here. Perhaps Jester could shine some light on what they have at these positions?

Post 4 and 5 - This looks, at least to me, to be the real strengths of this class. Igiehon had multiple Division I offers (per her Twitter page) and looks to be an absolute beast in the paint on her HS film. Barlow looks rangy and very athletic for 6'1. Burnham reminds me a LOT of former Fightin' Engineer Chiarra Franklin, whom was HCAC Tourny MVP and a rebounding and charge-taking machine. Then there is Lewman, who looks like she might have had a knee injury at one point in HS, like a lot of girls, but looks to have a really high IQ for the game and possesses a REALLY nice shooting form.

In addition, Coach Prevo's teams are always very disciplined and extraordinarily gritty and tough defensively - so It WILL be interesting! Hope to make it to at least one home game this year to see it in person.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 31, 2019, 04:43:54 pm
Ok engineered.  Lol well I am little biased but the 3 hopefully will be my daughter Kahlan.   I say this humbly she has been told she is a Swiss Army knife she can do whatever position and skill set required by the team for a particular game. In high school she guarded whoever was the other teams best player she has guarded d1 point guards and post players now playing at Bucknell and Arkansas and Wisconsin.   The most points she allowed a girl she was guarding last year was 6 pts and that was a d1 player.  Now college whole new game so we will see what happens  with her height and her flag rowing up a point guard I hope will give her advantages now that she can concentrate on just being a three.

The posted a game of hers on a previous page in which she scores 28 but it shows here defense going from guarding point guArd to post.  Her ability to pass and block shots and bringing the ball. Up

But of course as I tell her none of it matters. What are you going to do tomorrow is the thing that counts 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 02, 2019, 05:45:26 pm
Well here is the first game report for RHIT.  They scrimmaged Greenville university today. Greenville was 23-5 last year. RHIT won 74-63.  I cant tell you everything i know because i want to keep some of the things my daughter shares private. i can however say this was the best time she has ever had playing basketball.  My daughter comes from a high school program that had alot of problems.   I dont know totals on the scoring except the posts were monsters like you predicted engin.  Kahlan had 6 pts  and before i tell you what she had for assists i just want you to know my daughter doesn't exaggerate or feel the need to say she did big things if she didnt. With that said she texted me she thinks she had literally over 20 assists.  So i would guess 15 for sure would be a safe number,

Wish i could have seen them and look forward to seeing them in Berea.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2019, 02:42:24 pm
One preseason All-American (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2020) from the conference, Alexis Nall from Hanover made 2nd team AA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2019, 10:53:29 pm
The season is officially underway.
Manchester loses at home to Adrian 75-59 in a game that the Spartans had taken the lead in early in the 4th before giving up 16 unanswered.
Earlham opens tomorrow
Bluffton starts on the 11th
Anderson and Transy begin on the 12th
Defiance on the 13th
Hanover on the 15th
MSJ on the 16th
Franklin still 2 weeks away on the 22nd
Rose with the final opener on the 23rd
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2019, 10:50:26 pm
Bluffton beat Alma.  62=49  Alma had the worst 3 pt shooting i have ever witnessed. Just not that they didnt make them but they had all day to shoot them, they were 4-25 and that was with a freshman hitting back to back late in game off the bench.  I think i saw 6 airballs on them so you dont even get a chance to rebound.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 11, 2019, 11:05:40 pm
Well it was good that the HCAC got their first win of the season. They are now 1-2 on the season with all 3 games against MIAA schools.

Three games on the schedule for tomorrow night.

Transylvania hosts Spalding (a game I will be attending)
Earlham hosts #10 DePauw
Anderson hosts Ohio Northern
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2019, 08:52:01 pm
Transy  was up 4 over spalding about half way through the 3rd quarter and then put the hammer down to win 79-57

Anderson lost 59-49 was pretty much a 10 point game throughout
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 13, 2019, 08:36:18 am
Was at the Transylvania-Spalding game last night and the Pioneers came away with a very yeoman like victory. My first thoughts watching them is that this team misses Celia Kline and is going to be a work in progress as some adjust to life without her. Freshman Kennedi Stacy has taken her spot in the lineup and you can see the talent there especially with the ball in her hands in the open court, but the first game jitters were there also and she is a long ways from giving them what Kline gave them a year ago. Transy's Jr. 6-3 Center Elizabeth Hardiman left the game after only 4 minutes and the medical staff seemed to be working on her knee, she did not return to the game, but did not have it wrapped or iced either and remained on the bench until the end of the game. Hopefully nothing serious there. The Pioneers have a fair amount of low post depth (5 players in the 6-1 to 6-3 range who play in the post), but I don't think anybody move their feet as well as Hardiman does.

Shelby Boyle was very good again last night with 22 points to lead Transy, 16 in the first quarter when the team seemed to really struggling to find a rhythm. Boyle does soo many thing on the court for her team that she is like having a extra coach on the floor. She finished with 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks to go along with her points. Zenoviah Walker and Ashton Woodard both added 14 points for the balanced attack at the end of the night.

I'm also going to give Spalding some credit here. Maleah Hirn has a nice all around game and was a pain for Transy most of the night and ended with 17 points and 6 assists, but she may have exposed a hole in the Transy defense. For now I wonder if Transy might struggle with quick guard play this season. Also for the Golden Eagles, Post player Hunter Wright showed some good movement skills for a 6-0 player and pitched in 8 points and 6 rebounds. Lefty post player Hannah Renfro came off the bench to add 8 points with a few nice spin moves in the low post. Megan Goeing had a very nice defensive game all night on Transylvania's Ashton Woodard who ended the night shooting only 4-16 from the floor and Megan was a big part of that. And lastly Sr. Allison Just (coaches daughter?) is a nice all around piece in the Spalding lineup added 13 points (3-5 on 3 point attempts) and 6 rebounds.

Transy can play better as a team and I'm sure they will, maybe the lose of Hardiman early in the game messed up their flow from the start. Their size is going to give most teams a problem, but quicker teams may give them some problems also. Will be fun to watch playout.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 11:31:33 am
the conference is 6-8 heading in to tonight's action.  Cant wait for saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 19, 2019, 11:57:59 am
the conference is 6-8 heading in to tonight's action.  Cant wait for saturday.

And they might not improve on that tonight. There 3 games scheduled tonight and none Wednesday or Thursday. The 3 tonight are Alma @ Earlham, Mount St. Joseph @ Heidelberg and Transylvania @ Berea. Earlham is probably in deep water and Mount St. Joseph has a chance, but it is on the road. The Transylvania-Berea could be a very good game, Berea won 22 games a year ago and returns most. Still debating whether to make the trip down I-75 and take this one in, might be worth the one hour drive.

Just 4 more days and RHIT will get to test themselves against Berea also Jester. You will get a little side by side comparison of RHIT and Transylvania.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 01:16:50 pm
i will be there saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 19, 2019, 10:44:11 pm
Watched the trany vs berea game.. Trany won due to dominating the boards. 22 and 3 kept berea in the game.  Give me hope for Saturday. Rhit is bigger then Trany at the guard and foward spots with girl with reall good wingspans so hopefully the hieght on the perimeter will make it harder for 22 to shot 3 s over them. It will be interesting to see if the speed of rhits pg guard can shut down 3 who likes she can only go left.

i have no ideal what will happen. with so many freshman im sure there will be alot of a nerves but at the same time hopefully they say what the hell and play loose and well
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 19, 2019, 11:00:28 pm
Watched the trany vs berea game.. Trany won due to dominating the boards. 22 and 3 kept berea in the game.  Give me hope for Saturday. Rhit is bigger then Trany at the guard and foward spots with girl with reall good wingspans so hopefully the hieght on the perimeter will make it harder for 22 to shot 3 s over them. It will be interesting to see if the speed of rhits pg guard can shut down 3 who likes she can only go left.

i have no ideal what will happen. with so many freshman im sure there will be alot of a nerves but at the same time hopefully they say what the hell and play loose and well

Well the bar was set for you this evening and Saturday will give a small comparison between where RHIT and Transylvania stand early on. I did not think Transy played very well at times tonight yet they still overcame a very poor shooting night for them and still got the win against a good opponent on their floor. These are character building type of wins that help a team grow.

Good luck to RHIT on Saturday, it will be interesting to watch as they also grow and develop together.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 20, 2019, 12:45:29 am
If you are buying drinks at the bar do let me know, I'm all in on that! ;D

It is good to hear that your daughter and others are overcoming those huddles you mentioned, it should serve them well in their adult lives.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 23, 2019, 02:48:18 pm
Well crying in my pillow.  It will get better learn to hand press hopefully no lid on the basket and the bunnies go in
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 23, 2019, 07:40:57 pm
Transylvania remains unbeaten with another good, hard fought win on the road today against another good opponent. Down 10 to start the 4th quarter and really battled to get the 59-56 win at Wittenberg. This on the heels of the win at Berea and handing them their only lose on the season as Berea is now 5-1. The 2 SR's Boyle and Woodard are both gritty, never say die type of players and that type of leadership is rubbing off on the rest of their team. Another character building win. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 24, 2019, 05:31:00 am
Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on November 24, 2019, 08:47:49 am
Just saw the Rose score... oof. Not the way to start the season but it was their first game against a team playing their 6th. Some stiff competition the next few games too. Could very well be 0-4 to start. The question is how will they respond heading into conference play when it really matters and the opponents aren't as strong. Best thing they can do is treat these next few games as preseason to iron things out, not worry about the score, and consider December 7th the season opener.

Grizz, I watched most of it, and they REALLY struggled, with more turnovers than I've seen an Engineer team commit in over a decade. They DO have a lot of impressive-looking Freshmen, but yesterday reminded me too much of the pre-2005 teams, when they were just getting women's basketball off the ground at RHIT, and took a lot of 40-point beatings. Lots of unforced errors out on the perimeter, 0-13 from beyond the arc, and as Jester says, REALLY struggled to finish around the basket . Hopefully, this one can be chalked up to having a team that is 90% Freshmen playing their first game vs. Berea's sixth, as Grizz points out - because the rest of the teams on the schedule won't feel very sorry for them, and each of RHIT's next three opponents in particular are a LOT better than Berea and would likely drill the Mountaineers by 20, minimum. RHIT showed flashes of potential on a few possessions, but they need to clean things up in a hurry or they could legitimately be looking at an 0-4 or even an 0-5 start heading into the four HCAC games before Christmas - and two more extremely talented non-conference teams await them in Nashville, TN in late December before conference play kicks into high gear in January.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2019, 11:07:56 am
Hi guys. Was at the game and of course Iím biased but I Like to think Iím pretty straight forward and open when it come to my daughter and the teams she is on.   As my son texted me during the game they are being out muscled and they look like freshman.  I will only talk on my daughter she was o-8 from 3 pt line I can promise that is not the norm. I actually thought she played really good defense she was out there for 32 min.  They only have her one block shot but I know she had at least 3

Berea scored  the majority of their points pressing our backcourt and the team didnít handle that well at all  when it was half court they held their own.  I was looking at last years schedule and the really good team lost their first game by 17 and then another by 27  so I told her not to wig out.   The girls seemed in good spirits they understand that teams are going to keep pressuring them and try to physically intimidate them

I liked that they never stopped playing hard and in that 4th quarter that was 9-1 they started being really physical back. These girls know all about the class before them they plan on continuing the tradition

The only excuse I would make for them is they are indeed the youngest team in America and I would guess there even younger then most jucco teams

Chicago is next Iím here now. Hopefully we will see improvement with the pressure.  My daughter takes the lid off the basket   And just the nerves in general are now over and they continue to learn how to play with a shot clock get used to the college game and most importantly how to play and have chemistry together
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2019, 11:14:23 am
Also on berea I donít think you guys are giving them enough credit for how good they are I watched the game vs Transylvaniaís and I felt they should have won the game   They made some mistakes at the end that cost them.  But I believe they will be a ranked team very shortly they have played mos tif their games at home
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 25, 2019, 09:40:02 pm
Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 remaining upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2019, 10:45:25 pm
Well the youngest team in America just got younger. One of the 3 teaming upperclassman at rose left the school.  So with one player being hurt that means the lone upperclassman Hannah will be Snow White at university Chicago game tomorrow. It will be Hannah and the Seven freshman

I think you should send that as an idea to the Disney Studios!  A movie or at least a song. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 25, 2019, 11:10:44 pm
Transylvania is up to 10th in the new D 3 poll. No other HCAC team received a vote this week.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 26, 2019, 08:27:18 pm
Still a lot to work on but a much better game as rose loses 74-53. They did get it down to 12 with 2:50 to go.  Huge improvement from game one
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 30, 2019, 09:14:28 pm
Well Engine. Not as a good a effort as Chicago but the elements of improvement. While still struggling with press break. Got turnovers down to 19.  Out rebounded IWU.  Outside shooting mainly have to be honest here my daughter is struggling. I have never seen a slump like this from her but she has been playing exceptional defense so at least the struggles are limited to the outside shot and I know she will fix that hopefully starting tomorrow.  They gave up something like 20 pts off of turnovers and 9 threes thus the score.   They keep showing that if they can get in a half court vs half court game they can more then hold there own.  Another tough game tomorrow hopefully they can come out of the gate stronger then they have been
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 30, 2019, 10:51:36 pm
She just needs to see a couple shots go down. 0 of 18 from three and 1 of 22 from the field is rough... maybe if she takes some closer jumpers until they start dropping.
Probably going to be another game like the first three against WashU, but then opportunities to get in the win column against St Mary of the Woods and the conference opener against Defiance.

Conference as a whole is 17-24 so far with 1 unbeaten and 3 winless. Anderson-Defiance opens conference play on the 3rd followed by Hanover-Franklin and Bluffton-MSJ the next night. Everyone else joins in on the 7th.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on November 30, 2019, 11:03:33 pm
Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 01, 2019, 12:02:00 pm
Overall I think the conference is weaker this year than most years. If a young team can weather the early storm they will have a chance late in the season. Transylvania has lost their point guard until the 1st of January and they struggled this weekend in their tournament without her. If they stumble early in conference play it could open the door for someone else to gain the home court advantage.
It's too early to start projecting if teams could have a Pool C opportunity so the easiest goal is simply win the conference tournament. 3rd and 4th seeds host 5th and 6th in the 1st round, 1 seed hosts the semis and finals.
So the goals are:
1) 6th place to make tournament
2) 4th place to host a first round game
3) 2nd place to get a bye
4) 1st place to get a bye and host

Last year 9-9 was good enough for 4th place and 7-11 made the tournament so early season struggles aren't the end of the world. Franklin men were 2-8 and 9th place mid-January last season but finished strong to end up 9-9 and winning a game in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 12:14:45 pm
I think when it comes to RHIT itís important to remember they havenít been playing any creampuffs.  Berea I think is better then some think but I chalk that whole game up to 7 freshman all playing at once with nerves. Itís eSy for a program to rotate 1 or 2 freshman into a line up bit when you are incorporating a whole class.  Thatís another matter they are not Duke

They have been playing against experienced really good defensive teams and with them moving to conference games I expect they will get more looks and easier shots.   They have been very good rebounding with almost everyone getting 4-5 rebounds minimum.  They play physical but they need to learn passes they got away with in high school they canít do in college.  Also need to be more aware and get used to shot clock.  They had 3 violations last game.  Heading out to see the game.  Hope to see them start stronger.  They have started each game not well then started to sort out things
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2019, 05:45:43 pm
Jester1390 -- glad to see that your daughter shot well (.500 eFG% : 12 pts from 12 FG att) and hit her FT for a team high (tied) of 13 pts.
Effective Field Goal Pct / eFG% is an NBA stat that accurately credits the quantity of made threes within FG shooting. The formula is "pts scored from twos and threes" / 2x FG att. FTs are not involved.
If it were up to me, 3FG and 2FG shooting would be listed separately in the stats. Traditional FG% doesn't tell you if any threes are included.
Looking at FG%, 3FG% and FT % as a trio of team stats still doesn't tell you the extent that 3FGs were a factor. A team could make 2/5 threes or 20/50.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 05:58:40 pm
3 of her shots were desperate with no shot clock left and she got passed the ball. Good step by girls still to many pts off of turnovers now they need to start believing.

 
ST. LOUIS, Mo. -- Washington University relied on a strong third quarter performance to turn a close game into a 67-47 victory over Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology in the third-place game of the women's basketball Midwest Challenge on Sunday.

Rose-Hulman led the host Bears 8-6 after one quarter and were within four points at 24-20 at the half.  Washington University relied on a 25-point third quarter to pull away and improve to 3-2 on the season.

Kahlan Jester and Nosa Igiehon led the Rose-Hulman offense with 13 points each.  Jester finished 5-12 from the field with five rebounds and three assists.  Igiehon was 5-13 with nine rebounds on the afternoon.

Hannah Woody and Jordan Barlow contributed six points each for the Fightin' Engineers.  Nola Wilson had five points and four rebounds, Desirae Webster contributed seven rebounds and four assists, and Rose Burnham had six rebounds for Rose-Hulman.

Sammi Matoush led Washington University with 15 points and Naomi Jackson had 12 points.  Rose-Hulman held Washington University to just 8-31 from the field in the first half, before the hosts strong third quarter.

Rose-Hulman opens its home schedule against St. Mary-of-the-Woods in the Dorsett Automotive Crosstown Classic on Wednesday at 7:30 pm at Hulbert Arena. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 06:32:59 pm
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 01, 2019, 07:13:06 pm
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2019, 08:27:28 pm
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

It wasn't necessarily for that post.  The problem with karma is there is no way to know what the applauder or smiter was reacting to - it could just as well be someone reading a two-day old post somewhere who took exception to it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 01, 2019, 08:59:31 pm
I can tell you the girls are not thinking that way. I had 4 of them with me on thanksgiving and they said   They know they canít take any game for granted. They are very humble girls    At the same time they want and expect to win.  After todayís game a parent said itís coming and my daughter and other girls said we have had enough of moral wins we want wins. So that is a good sign. They understand whers they are at and are not accepting that is where they are going to stay.  St Maryís game looks like its run and fun. That is something we have not tried yet

You can tell when they have spurts where they are just tired from the short roster 3 of the girls are averaging over 30 minutes. I told my daughter you may be in shape but after this weekend you will be in basketball shape.  The girls are strong the senior guard is embracing them and leading them.  I believe the past 4 games will have helped them  I canít imagine all the conference games will be as fast and have the defensive intensity that they got from playing 3 top 25 teams and a good berea team. Only time will tell. I know this the last 2 out of 3 games they have been right there if not for one bad quarter. If they can get rid of that they will be pretty good. When they were down 4 at half I told other parents that Washington would come out trying to get more pace and we would see if the girls believed yet.  Unfortunately they turned it over.    They out rebounded Washington for the game that is becoming the normal so they are strong on the boards but they gave 21 pts up off of turnovers this the score
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2019, 09:53:24 pm
Jester1390, check these stats for St Mary of the Woods :
https://smwcpomeroys.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/teams/saintmaryofthewoodscollege?view=lineup&r=0&pos=sh
They are a "System" team. If you already know about that style of play, disregard the following. If you're not familiar with that style, first check the minutes per game for the players. Most likely, they sub 4 or 5 at nearly every stoppage of play. Then note the quantity of 3FGs the team shoots per game. Note the per-game rebounds for them and opponents.
Also see the turnovers by them and opponents. True "System" teams trap full-court for the entire game, or at least the first 36-ish minutes. The opponent typically gets many layup opportunities when getting through the press.
RHIT is looking at a fast-paced game, many possessions, possibly/probably season highs in a number of statistical categories.
That said, RHIT Coach Prevo dealt with a (then) "System" team very successfully a few years ago, holding North Central (CCIW) to 49 points :
https://rosehulman.prestosports.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161126_x4hq.xml?view=boxscore
In their other 24 games that season, North Central averaged 91.3. It does not appear that this year's St Mary's team is as good as North Central was, but nor is this year's RHIT team compared to that RHIT team. At any rate, it should be an unusual game, maybe a wild one. Coach Prevo might be a little nervous having only 8 players.


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2019, 10:27:23 pm
Hadn't thought of that.  Hard to imagine taking on a 'System' team with a roster of eight.  Yikes - they're gonna be sore by the end! :o ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 07:57:16 am
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 02, 2019, 08:43:43 am
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

If , IF that is the reason it is a petty and cowardly act. This is a forum and allows all a chance to voice their opinion on a subject to agree or disagree. Off the top of my head I was thinking of the Defiance men's team that has won 3 conference games in the last two season, but the women's team was a respectable 8-10 in conference last season. And even though they are 0-4 this season in review they have played some good opponents competitively. So I correct myself and they will probably not be an easy win for RHIT in all likelihood. That was easy and anyone could of done just that to point out what they felt was an incorrect statement. It is a forum and things are open for debate, if something is wrong in your opinion state your case. Just don't be a coward.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 10:57:35 am
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 02, 2019, 12:55:40 pm
HCAC schedule this week.

12/2
Earlham @ Wilmington (Ohio)

12/3
Anderson @ Defiance (first conference game)

12/4
Defiance @ Ohio Wesleyan
Hanover @ Franklin
Bluffton @ Mt. St. Joseph
St. Mary-Woods @ Rose-Hulman

12/7
Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 01:36:00 pm
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that. A lurker would likely not qualify to hurt someone's karma.

I suppose at some point, you stop paying attention to those numbers. For my part, I still remember exactly what I did to "earn" my three smites.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 02:23:35 pm
A pair of what should be easy wins coming RHIT's way this week in St. Mary-of-the-Woods and Defiance at home. This time next week the team mood should be much different for the young team.

Help educate an old man here folks. What is it about this comment that leads to receiving negative Karma? It was meant to a positive for RHIT, how does anyone view this as a negative?

If I had to guess: There might be some Defiance fans lurking on this page who took this as a slight to their team.

Has to be someone with 200 posts, though. You can't affect another person's karma until you have some longevity on the board.

Baldini also posts about football, so it might well be over there.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that. A lurker would likely not qualify to hurt someone's karma.

I suppose at some point, you stop paying attention to those numbers. For my part, I still remember exactly what I did to "earn" my three smites.
It'd be nice if we could see which post gets the smite.
Every time I get close to getting back to a 10:1 ratio I seem to pick up a couple random smites within a couple weeks of each other. Always a bit annoying when it happens but I still have a pretty solid score so that the occasional smite doesn't bother me.

And I believe I remember when those smites were Darryl... TGHIJGSTO! ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2019, 03:53:05 pm
...
And I believe I remember when those smites were Darryl... TGHIJGSTO! ;D

Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Quote
Even Darryl "Perfect Karma" Nester, the politest man on the boards this side of Ralph Turner, got in on the fun:).

All three of my smites came from (what I thought was) some gentle pushback to an enthusiastic supporter of Marietta in December 2016: First, for this comment:
How They Fared (So Far)

As a public service, I've highlighted a result that deserves extra attention, in case anyone had not yet heard the news.
...

I have finally answered the question, "What can I do that would make someone smite me?"

and then two more smites a couple of weeks later for this:
...

Let Spencer have his say. It is Festivus, after all.
(http://www.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/images/Frank-Costanza-Festivus-small.jpg)

P.S. Sorry to interject this tangential history recap into the other conversation here. Please don't smite me. :-\
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 04:06:27 pm
Welp, that's Spence for you.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2019, 04:17:05 pm
TGHIJGSTO 2... Spence's return. If I remember correctly it ended up being the same person.
Those are tales that will be passed down from generation to generation. It's always fun to look back at that even if it was a bit irksome at the time. The boards have been around a long time and have a lot of good stories, in-jokes, and quotes. We should have a page to collect them all to help the newbies get up to speed. 8-)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 02, 2019, 07:40:11 pm
I have no idea why i have a smite,  I bring smart funny insightful commentary plus im lovable and hugable.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2019, 12:56:45 pm
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 01:28:17 pm
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 03, 2019, 01:55:59 pm
Twenty Greek Hydrologists In Japan Got Severely Ticklish Overnight
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2019, 01:58:21 pm
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.
keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?

It's a long story; the short version is that an enthusiastic fan of Richard Stockton College (now Stockton University) was a frequent poster on the Men's Top 25 board during the 2013-14 season, making the case that his favorite team was not getting the respect it was due. He was somewhat combative when on his best behavior; quite a few times, he appeared to be posting under the influence of alcohol, to the detriment of both his manners and his coherence.

"TGHIJGSTO" stems from one of his less-coherent posts:
DONT JUSDT SAY TGHIJGSTO SAY THINGS, RICHARD STOCKMTON IS AS GOOD AS 15-0
(Note, if you click on the date of the above quote, you can read more of his posts.) From context, it is clear that he meant to type (or rather, to shout) "things to," but in d3boards lingo, it has come to be an all-purpose interjection.

Twenty Greek Hydrologists In Japan Got Severely Ticklish Overnight
This is a reasonably good backronym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym).
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2019, 02:01:10 pm
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Check the link from Darryl's post. It was one of the maaaaany mistakes a since banned poster made. It was supposed to be "things to" but ended up TGHIJGSTO. And that's the one that's stuck for all eternity now.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 03, 2019, 02:13:38 pm
Before we get back to actual HCAC chatter I just want to point out that in 15 years this thread had 9 pages. Since August we're on the 7th page.

Heading into the first conference game tonight, the conference stands at 17-26 overall with Bluffton still undefeated while Rose, MSJ, and Defiance are winless. The three winless teams all finished in the top 5 last season and entering conference play were 3-3 Rose, 2-1 MSJ, 0-5 Defiance. We'll see if they shake off their early season struggles this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 02:40:25 pm
On to conference play tonight.

Last night Earlham traveled to Wilmington (Ohio) for a non-conference game and came out on the short end 82-68. Sr. Camryn White lead Earlham with 22 points and Trinity McClendon added 17 off the bench in the defeat.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 03, 2019, 07:33:12 pm
Lol see im  a freshman poster much like Rose i am getting more and more confidence in my posts thus increasing the pages before long we will have at least 25 pages
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 08:38:50 pm
In this weeks new poll, Transylvania slipped from 10th to 16th after the lose to Maryville in their tournament. No other HCAC team received any votes.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 03, 2019, 09:16:57 pm
Well Defiance wins with a basket in the final seconds to get the 56-54 decision over Anderson. And the HCAC regular season is under way.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 03, 2019, 09:56:12 pm
TGHIJGSTO and Spence are not the same person.

keep seeing these references, is TGHIJGSTO an acronym that stands for something?
Actually, I did not get smited as part of that epic tale. Anyone who does not get that reference should read Gregory Sager's summary HERE (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.msg1722879;topicseen#msg1722879), which includes this reference:
Check the link from Darryl's post. It was one of the maaaaany mistakes a since banned poster made. It was supposed to be "things to" but ended up TGHIJGSTO. And that's the one that's stuck for all eternity now.

thank you, while I initially got a terrific kick out of seeing someone post on D3boards like @dril tweets, it became clear (at least in my mind, this is my best guess as to what happened) from seeing the deterioration from his initial perfectly lucid posts (on page 13 of his history) to the most recent barely legible scrawl he posted before being banned that something became neurologically wrong with him - perhaps a stroke or Parkinson's-like condition that caused all the typos. Then it didn't feel so funny anymore.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 04, 2019, 07:49:08 pm
I don't know what it is with Franklin's audio... during football season the quality is good but it's too quiet... during basketball season the volume is fine but sounds like it's sandpapering your ear. Think I need to switch to the mens game just to give my poor ears a break.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:35:46 pm
Well RHIT gets in the win column tonight with a 66-61 win over St. Mary of the Woods despite 30 TO's on the evening.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 04, 2019, 09:40:33 pm
52 3 pointers to 8 for RHIT and still win. My daughter had only 3 pts she told me going into the game donít expect me to score my job is to keep things as calm as I can and play shutdown defense. She had 5 assists and if we made some bunnies would have had 10.   She played the last 30 minutes without a break.  For those 8 girls to be able to weather the storm and prove to themselves yea we are the youngest team in America but other teams donít care and you k ow what we donít care either.  I think you will see even more come Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 05, 2019, 12:16:23 am
RHIT did very well avoiding foul trouble, with only 12 total and no individual over 3. And they were able to control the tempo, the game having maybe a slightly above average number of possessions, but not what St Mary of the Woods is accustomed to.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 02:01:27 am
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didnít attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but thatís why Iím the fan.  Coach knows whatís he is doing. Iím guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 07:08:25 am
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didnít attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but thatís why Iím the fan.  Coach knows whatís he is doing. Iím guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 05, 2019, 12:15:07 pm
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didnít attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but thatís why Iím the fan.  Coach knows whatís he is doing. Iím guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 01:11:58 pm
Just a cool note from game yesterday   My daughter told me during the game the girl she was guarding who was one of there top 3 Pointer shooters who went 1 for 10 in the game.  Her teammate said why are you not shooting. She replied and looked at Kahlan said how the hell can i shoot sheís fricking 6 ft tall and has her hand in my face all the time. 

Kahlan said it was awsome to hear took a lot pride in that. Only thing better is when a coach yells will someone please get the shooter
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 05, 2019, 01:40:49 pm
Also a shout out to both schools student bodies.  Attendance for the game 650
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 05, 2019, 01:42:23 pm
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didnít attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but thatís why Iím the fan.  Coach knows whatís he is doing. Iím guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.

I'll be Captain Obvious here.

Whether it is running the 'system' or playing against it, it comes down to talent to win with or defeat it. St. Norbert breaks and basically go's 4 corners to eliminate trapping opportunities and slow the game. That takes extra ballhandlers and not every team has those. I went and watched the Greenville men when they came to play Transy in their season opener a few years ago and Transy had finishers at the rim and attacked, they turned it in a layup/dunk drill and routed Greenville 130-98. There is more than one way to beat it, but it still takes the talent to do it. 

I say this and it is in no way meant to be a dig at RHIT, but St. Mary-Wood is not very talented or good at running the 'system'. I seen them play in Midway and they were not very good at pressing or getting their 3's. Midway beat them fairly easily 89-67. Players make offensive and defensive systems work, no systems work without the talent to carry them out. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 05, 2019, 11:13:32 pm
I talked to a coach after the game because I wanted to know that when the girls didnít attack when they had numbers was that by design or were they being timid.  It was the plan to control pace of game. Unless it was clear cut to the basket slow it down and get it back out.  I didnt agree all the time but thatís why Iím the fan.  Coach knows whatís he is doing. Iím guessing for st Mary it might get tougher as other coaches might follow RHIT game plan

I wouldn't count on it - all I see these days are teams taking wild, early (in the shot clock) shots and not even bothering to try to control the game's tempo. Ask any "system" coach and I'll bet they would, to a person, tell you that the teams they fear the most are the ones that are disciplined enough to not allow the "System" to control the tempo. If you control the tempo, you destroy the System. Too bad the RHIT/North Central game from 2016 isn't archived anywhere. They were a LOT better than this SMWC team and RHIT literally put on a clinic on how to destroy the System. Now, having said that, it would be pretty interesting indeed to see a very talented and well-coached team like IWU run the System. Most of the teams I've ever seen run the System were just OK in the talent department.
St Norbert men are pretty successful against Grinnell. They can consistently hold them under 100 points.

I'll be Captain Obvious here.

Whether it is running the 'system' or playing against it, it comes down to talent to win with or defeat it. St. Norbert breaks and basically go's 4 corners to eliminate trapping opportunities and slow the game. That takes extra ballhandlers and not every team has those. I went and watched the Greenville men when they came to play Transy in their season opener a few years ago and Transy had finishers at the rim and attacked, they turned it in a layup/dunk drill and routed Greenville 130-98. There is more than one way to beat it, but it still takes the talent to do it. 

I say this and it is in no way meant to be a dig at RHIT, but St. Mary-Wood is not very talented or good at running the 'system'. I seen them play in Midway and they were not very good at pressing or getting their 3's. Midway beat them fairly easily 89-67. Players make offensive and defensive systems work, no systems work without the talent to carry them out.

I do not disagree with anything you said- but the 61 points RHIT allowed will be the lowest total all season for SMWC. - and all but three of their ten opponents are NAIA schools with scholarships, to some degree. RHIT held the 2016-17 North Central team to 49 points, the lowest total of their "system" years by far and their lowest scoring output that season by 16 points. THAT team was 14-12 overall and 8-8 in the CCIW, with a win over IL. Wesleyan on the road at the Shirk Center. Whether a Grinnell System team has talent or not, it is vulnerable to an opponent that is disciplined enough to spread the floor, be patient, and control the tempo of the game.
 RHIT is facing an uphill climb this season due to their numbers and youth, but they looked awfully good defensively for longer stretches and held SMWC scoreless for almost 7 minutes in the 2nd half. BY the end of the season (assuming 8-9 healthy bodies), they will be a team nobody wants to have to play, win or lose.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:18:40 am
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:20:34 am
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)

Agreed - but there is a large disparity between a typical Hope team and an RHIT team talent-wise.

RHIT won't ever overwhelm you with talent - when they win they have a handful of good (not great) athletes whom are also extremely tough-minded kids that have to depend on game-planning and defense to beat great (Hope) or unusual (System) teams. I've only seen Hope once, when they overcame RHIT by 3 at home a couple years ago - and they strike me as a team that takes advantage of transition when it's there, but are fairly disciplined in their shot-selection. The danger of playing a System team is forgetting whom you are for 40 minutes, running and playing at a pace you aren't accustomed to, and taking the kind of quick shots the System depends on opponents taking - that's where the coaching part kicks in.

My point is, Hope has the talent to beat anyone, by playing any way Coach Morehouse decides is best for his team. There is only one way for RHIT (or any other modestly-talented team) to do it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 09:02:08 am
I also remember Hope going to North Central during the system years, maybe around '13-'14, and destroying them 126-56.  Hope doesn't play the system, or typically play anyone that employs the system, but decided to run with them rather than slow it down.  The result was all about talent disparity and also coaching.  I don't think you have to slow it down against a system team if you are coached well.  You can run and still have discipline.  But having more talent helps :)

Agreed - but there is a large disparity between a typical Hope team and an RHIT team talent-wise.

RHIT won't ever overwhelm you with talent - when they win they have a handful of good (not great) athletes whom are also extremely tough-minded kids that have to depend on game-planning and defense to beat great (Hope) or unusual (System) teams. I've only seen Hope once, when they overcame RHIT by 3 at home a couple years ago - and they strike me as a team that takes advantage of transition when it's there, but are fairly disciplined in their shot-selection. The danger of playing a System team is forgetting whom you are for 40 minutes, running and playing at a pace you aren't accustomed to, and taking the kind of quick shots the System depends on opponents taking - that's where the coaching part kicks in.

My point is, Hope has the talent to beat anyone, by playing any way Coach Morehouse decides is best for his team. There is only one way for RHIT (or any other modestly-talented team) to do it.

Understood and agreed.  Hope is fortunate to have incredible community support (leads D3 in attendance every year) and a great facility, which surely helps get the talent.  Hope also has great academics but as an engineer myself, I understand that a somewhat focused academic program in a rigorous field like RHIT is going to greatly narrow the pool of potential athletes.  The toughness and discipline you mention was certainly on display in that game at Hope.

Even though he's well regarded, I sometimes think Coach Morehouse doesn't get quite the credit he deserves.  He gets talent but he also does a great job maximizing that talent IMO and his defensive scheme is magnificent I think.  Takes a couple years for the kids to learn it but it is the key to the team.  He's right up there at the top with Coach Gromacki from Amherst in career winning % and I think he's earned that.

Question: do you think when teams are essentially equally talented and equally well coached, the system team usually wins?  That would sort of imply the system is a superior way to play which I don't really buy.  I get the surprise/panic factor.  I've always felt that the system may somewhat improve your odds of beating a team with similar or inferior talent/coaching but would reduce your chances of beating a superior team.  Pure speculation on my part, but if there's anything to it that would mean the system style trends toward mediocrity.  I realize this is an old debate on these boards :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 10:53:31 am
Here is the simple answer to your question iif it was what worked best every top team in menís basketball in D1 would run it

Engin will have one difference of opinion with you. The 7 freshman are very athletic and and strong for their age.  Also in shape conditioning was not a problem whatsoever in the game vs st Mary with only haveing 8 players.  I only saw it where you could see they were worn down was IWU game

I know Baldini commented Sait Mary not very good I wouldnít argue that but I would say how many teams on d3 could play all freshman and one senoir play against a style of basketball they have never seen.  Have the composure to stick to the coaching staffs instructions even when they were down 10 and not get sucked in  you all know I am biased but I think I have shown Iím pretty straightforward.  That win was big for RHIT.  It showed the players they can win.   St Mary brought their best game.  The players were posting before the game how they were going to beat rose. So there will be a lot of teams trying to get payback. Will see how many end up disappointed like saint mary
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 11:06:02 am
Grizz

What did you think of franklins win over Anderson I watched the game. I think that was considered a upset
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2019, 06:09:54 pm
Grizz

What did you think of franklins win over Anderson I watched the game. I think that was considered a upset
Franklin didn't play Anderson, they played Hanover and lost. Did you mean Defiance?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 06:41:24 pm
Getting my teams mixed up your correct was thinking of defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2019, 07:29:31 pm
In the first 15 years of the HCAC women's bb board - 9 pages of posts.

In the 4 months since Jester1390 showed up - 9 pages of posts!

Recruiting Kahlan Jester may have been the best PR move RHIT ever made! ;D  Hopefully it will work out just as well from a bb standpoint as well! ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 07:31:17 pm
Lol yepper hopefully 4 years will be at defiance game tomorrow so will get another page up
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 07:47:25 pm
Getting my teams mixed up your correct was thinking of defiance

Defiance is not bad at all - they played RHIT very tough last year and have some players that could well give the Engineers some trouble - especially their Freshmen. RHIT SHOULD win this game but Defiance does have players and are well-coached.

Anderson is an enigma. They have some really nice talent and appear to be well-coached as well - but just really struggle to win games.

Defiance is talented enough to finish anywhere from 3rd-5th in the HCAC this season, and the fact that Anderson played them that tough at home and basically lost on a last-possession shot - tells me that this might be the year Anderson starts to put it together and climb out of the cellar - because Defiance is always tough at home.

RHIT ought to win tomorrow, but will have to play well to do so.

Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.

Bluffton is much improved and might give everyone trouble, especially at home, where they have only lost a handful of games over the last 5 years or so.

Everyone scares me for the Engineers this year. They just turn it over (often unprompted) way too much and will get literally everyone's best effort - never a good combination. They have the potential to finish anywhere from 1st-10th.

My sleeper pick for a high conference finish is Bluffton.

Manchester is better, but hard to tell how much. Very well-coached.

Earlham and MSJ might struggle against everyone.

I think it's a two-horse race between Hanover and Transy with a lot of potential for upset(s) in the conference tournament and a real dark-horse emerging and snagging the league's automatic NCAA Tournament bid.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:58:55 pm
Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 06, 2019, 08:33:45 pm
Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.
It won't be Hanover at home since that was the opener. They kept it within reach most of the game but just couldn't get closer than a couple possessions. Far too many misses from close range. Hit some of those and they might have had a chance. Last year the Panthers won by 22 and 25 so it was much closer this year.

I think it's Transy's to lose this year. Hanover will end up a couple games behind them, Rose might struggle early but should make the conference tournament and be a tough out by then. Maybe someone steps up from the middle of the conference and becomes a solid 4th team. Last year there was a 5 game gap between 3rd place Hanover and 4th place MSJ at 9-9... but only 4 games separated 4th through 9th.

Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
I'll take MSJ in a tight game, Transy will cruise, Rose gets a winning streak going, Bluffton in the best matchup of the day, and Hanover with a comfortable win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 08:51:52 pm
Grizz, Franklin had some good, young players last season and looks to have kept them all in the fold over the off-season, and picked up a few new ones that could help. I'd expect Franklin to finish somewhere in the top-half of the league and would not be surprised at all to see them pick up a big win over Transy or Hanover, likely at home.
It won't be Hanover at home since that was the opener. They kept it within reach most of the game but just couldn't get closer than a couple possessions. Far too many misses from close range. Hit some of those and they might have had a chance. Last year the Panthers won by 22 and 25 so it was much closer this year.

I think it's Transy's to lose this year. Hanover will end up a couple games behind them, Rose might struggle early but should make the conference tournament and be a tough out by then. Maybe someone steps up from the middle of the conference and becomes a solid 4th team. Last year there was a 5 game gap between 3rd place Hanover and 4th place MSJ at 9-9... but only 4 games separated 4th through 9th.

Tomorrows schedule of games.

Earlham @ Mt. St. Joseph
Transylvania @ Anderson
Defiance @ Rose-Hulman
Bluffton @ Franklin
Manchester @ Hanover
I'll take MSJ in a tight game, Transy will cruise, Rose gets a winning streak going, Bluffton in the best matchup of the day, and Hanover with a comfortable win.

Our little mini pickems right here, I like it.

I'll take Earlham, Transylvania, Defiance, Franklin and Hanover. 

Come on Enginerd, Jester and anyone else we need your picks. :)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 06, 2019, 09:43:30 pm
Ok please remember lol these are my predictions not my daughters so any comments should be directed at me lol
 

Iíll take earl ham

Trany

My upset special Franklin

Hanover and finally defiance  errrrrr I mean RHIT yes defiantly RHIT



Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 06, 2019, 10:28:59 pm
Earlham
I'll go off the rails and pick Anderson for my upset special.
RHIT - however I AM concerned about this match-up
Bluffton
Hanover (Although I think Manchester will pull off one big upset this year)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 09:26:57 am
Hanover is the unanimous pick, watch that be the upset. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 07, 2019, 12:27:55 pm
Hanover is the unanimous pick, watch that be the upset. ;D

Manchester WILL get somebody this year - but I think it will be at their place.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 07, 2019, 02:42:53 pm
Well besides berea game that is the worse I have seen the team play. 2-12 from free throw.  They keep giving up baskets on last shots before end of quarter on 20 quarters now they have given up a basket in 17.  I couldnít believe how many ugly heaves went in but thatís part of ball

Personal note I know people are consumed by offense but Iím going to give it up to my kid.  Held there leading scorer to 1 point and that was on a bs foul call.  Was never expecting them to win conference but this was a winnable game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 07:31:18 pm
Todays results.

Earlham 60 Mt. St. Joseph 57
Transylvania 69 Anderson 56
Defiance 53 Rose-Hulman 43
Franklin 81 Bluffton 53
Hanover 72 Manchester 65
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 07, 2019, 08:49:03 pm
Todays results.

Earlham 60 Mt. St. Joseph 57
Transylvania 69 Anderson 56
Defiance 53 Rose-Hulman 43
Franklin 81 Bluffton 53
Hanover 72 Manchester 65

1 and 2 will almost certainly wind up being Hanover and Transy - but I'm going to predict that 3-8 are going to be an absolute train-wreck - with the final 2-3, or even 4 spots in the HCAC Tournament not wrapped-up until the last weekend, or two. I'm concerned RHIT might miss it's first conference tourney in 11 years.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 08, 2019, 05:44:07 am
So waiting for plane back to Minneapolis. Thought I would post a couple of thoughts after rewatching the game online. 

Engine I donít think there needs to be panic yet.  The main thing is the defense is pretty good as a whole even though Iím not thrilled all the times with some of our perimeter defense to far off the shooter. Even though I believe it comes more of a issue as the team gets tired.  They again missed 8 bunnies or high percentage shots.   They gave up 5 pts in last 45 seconds of first half to get behind including the last sec shot which was unreal my daughter actually blocked the shot from behind and she told me after it probably wouldnít have gone on if she hadnít redirected it   They were 2-12 from free throw line.  They were repeatedly hammered inside and no whistles

Most important swing they got it back to 6 and this hurts personally but my daughter had a drive and she would tell you she needs to make that shot. Then the senior right after has a 3 rim out. Those go in  whole different pressure on end of game.  I fully understand you can do the what if for everyone

I just want to point out that it was a game that easily could have gone the other way.  Have to give credit to defiance also. The interior defense made it hard on the posts.  Their one freshman off the bench killed them.

Positives turnovers were down. Negative defiance out rebounded them
And that shouldnít have happened.  Lastly. I know the girls are tired and worn out a lot of games in the last 2 weeks against really good teams.  They play hard and donít take it easy.  The week off comes at a good time for their bodies.  I look forward to visiting Bluffton on Saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 10, 2019, 06:45:31 pm
Well the youngest team in america is ranked by Massey 248th.  Time to move up a few spots Saturday 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 10, 2019, 07:15:47 pm
The full Massey list for the HCAC.

Transylvania  54
Bluffton  152
Franklin  168
Hanover  177
Rose-Hulman  248
Defiance  251
Earlham  298
Anderson  311
Manchester  316
Mt. St. Joseph  338

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 11, 2019, 07:20:40 pm
Next games on the schedule for the HCAC women will be Saturday.

Manchester @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Defiance
Rose-Hulman @ Bluffton
Anderson @ Mt. St. Joseph
Earlham @ Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 11, 2019, 07:46:57 pm
I will go with

Trany
Anderson
Going to go with defiance donít know if Hanover has a defensive specialist that can hold their leading scorer to 1 point. Key is stopping freshman off the bench killing them
My heart is with my daughter and I will be at the game but till the girls can show they can put 4 quarters together I will pick Bluffton
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 11, 2019, 08:14:31 pm
Transy
Defiance (only because they are at home). I think Defiance is a #4 or #5 seed by the end of the season.
Bluffton
Anderson
Franklin

Jester - Have you seen the NCAA official stats? Worrying.

RHIT is:
#427 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Final Points"
#422 our of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Scoring Offense"
#408 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Scoring Margin" - which is -20
#387 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Free Throw Percentage" at 57%
#431 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "3-Point FG Percentage"
#413 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Turnover Margin"
#413 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Free Throws Made"
and...most tellingly...#404 out of 450 NCAA Division III teams in "Assists"

Hopefully they'll keep their chins up and keep learning and having fun - but I hope they start to put it together soon or they will dig a hole they cannot climb out of - HCAC-Tournament-wise.

Bluffton will be a huge test at their place this weekend.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 11, 2019, 08:19:10 pm
I will go,

Transy
Hanover
Bluffton
Mt. St. Joseph
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 11, 2019, 09:24:11 pm
On the other side of the spectrum I would guess there rebounding totals are good block shots.  Not sure on pts per game as they have played top teams but Iím guessing shooting average against them would be complementary to them
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 12, 2019, 03:19:31 am
Baldini 5-0
Jester 4-1
FCGG 2-3
Enginerd 2-3

Transy big, Hanover but by single digits, Bluffton, Anderson, Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 12, 2019, 10:13:51 am
      
Massey predictions for this weekend. Not sure what the mean means lol.


                 Rose-Hulman                Bluffton
Most Likely   50                       55
Median           51                        55
Mean          51.13                   54.75
Win Probability   39%                      61%   

                    Manchester                Transylvania  Home team
Most Likely   53                             79
Median           53                             79
Mean        53.00                          79.55
Win Probability   3%                           97%   
   
                     Hanover               Defiance  Home Team
Most Likely   66                      63
Median           66                      64
Mean        66.64                    64.11
Win Probability   58%                    42%   

                   Anderson                 Mt St Joseph Home Team
Most Likely   53                          55
Median           54                          54
Mean         53.81                       54.49
Win Probability   48%                     52%   

   
                      Earlham              Franklin      Home team              
Most Likely   60                      71
Median           60                      72
Mean         60.56                    72.29
Win Probability   18%                 83%

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: scottiedawg on December 12, 2019, 04:09:19 pm
Mean is probably the average predicted score amongst all the simulations.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 13, 2019, 09:36:23 am
Engine  another reason  i dont think we have to panic yet.
  The strength of schedule rating by Massey has them 64th in the country.  That is much stronger then alot of teams in the top 25. Not trying to compare them to top teams but if you are playing top teams your numbers will suffer when your young.  I think the best thing for these girls is to stop listening about how great the class was before them. The certainly were great for Rhit but how they came in as freshman was different then this group. The sisters were very good from the start but they all had upper classman to help take pressure off and navigate the waters.  The light switch is going to go off at some point.  There is way to much athleticism on this team.

 Igiehon has had double double already in 3 games this year and doing that in about 18 minutes a game. She will be in high double figures once she takes her time around basket and finishes.   Barlow for a 6'1 girl has some of the nicest touch for a 10 ft shot i have seen for a big. 
Webster has the quickness to get the basket  and score double figures.
Burham and Lewman are the toughest players on the team and both can rebound.  Lewman has scored in double figures and Burham certainly has the skill set also. 
Wilson can shoot from the outside and provide a spark like she did in the definance game.

The senior Woody is doing her part and scoring in double figures.  Lastly some kid name Jester.  If their was a all defensive team i think she would be on it.   She isnt flashy but at the end of the game whoever was her assignment is saying damn that girl is tough.  Jester should have made 10 points last game make your damn free throws. she has a game high 13 against Washington U.  She should score double figures every game with the minutes she is playing.  she should be a 10 5 5 player minimum every game.

Long winded point here is all these girls have the ability to get in double figures  and some have the ability to put 20 up on a hot night. They all can rebound. So when they do get it together they will be hard to stop you wont be able to say just take woody out of the game or another player.  Now if they lose by 30 tomorrow I will have a new hot take lol. Off to the airport to go to Bluffton
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 13, 2019, 02:19:01 pm
Engine  another reason  i dont think we have to panic yet.
  The strength of schedule rating by Massey has them 64th in the country.  That is much stronger then alot of teams in the top 25. Not trying to compare them to top teams but if you are playing top teams your numbers will suffer when your young.  I think the best thing for these girls is to stop listening about how great the class was before them. The certainly were great for Rhit but how they came in as freshman was different then this group. The sisters were very good from the start but they all had upper classman to help take pressure off and navigate the waters.  The light switch is going to go off at some point.  There is way to much athleticism on this team.

 Igiehon has had double double already in 3 games this year and doing that in about 18 minutes a game. She will be in high double figures once she takes her time around basket and finishes.   Barlow for a 6'1 girl has some of the nicest touch for a 10 ft shot i have seen for a big. 
Webster has the quickness to get the basket  and score double figures.
Burham and Lewman are the toughest players on the team and both can rebound.  Lewman has scored in double figures and Burham certainly has the skill set also. 
Wilson can shoot from the outside and provide a spark like she did in the definance game.

The senior Woody is doing her part and scoring in double figures.  Lastly some kid name Jester.  If their was a all defensive team i think she would be on it.   She isnt flashy but at the end of the game whoever was her assignment is saying damn that girl is tough.  Jester should have made 10 points last game make your damn free throws. she has a game high 13 against Washington U.  She should score double figures every game with the minutes she is playing.  she should be a 10 5 5 player minimum every game.

Long winded point here is all these girls have the ability to get in double figures  and some have the ability to put 20 up on a hot night. They all can rebound. So when they do get it together they will be hard to stop you wont be able to say just take woody out of the game or another player.  Now if they lose by 30 tomorrow I will have a new hot take lol. Off to the airport to go to Bluffton

Their SOS is 64th RIGHT NOW. It will go down after they start playing the Defiance's, Earlham's, and MSJ's of the world. There's no other way they could open with Berea, WashU, IL. Wesleyan, and Chicago and only be 64th. They were likely in the Top 10 before they played St. Mary in the Woods and Defiance. It will continue to go down until they play Hanover and Transy, will bump up a bit after those games, and then right back down. RHIT had an insane non-conference slate last year with DePauw, WashU, Chicago, Oglethorpe, and Rhodes - 5 NCAA Tournament teams when you include Transy - including wins over #8 (at the time) DePauw, and the eventual #18 Transy - but because Baldwin-Wallace's CONFERENCE is stronger, and it was cheaper for the NCAA to send them East instead of RHIT anywhere, they stayed home.
SOS is a crutch for the NCAA / committee to lean on instead of making tough decisions. Wisconsin Lutheran, which went 27-2 last year, and won it's conference AQ, likely wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid last year if it hadn't, because the committee just couldn't see past their mediocre SOS because of their weak conference. No respect, despite regularly defeating or hanging tough with D-III heavyweights such as DePauw and WashU in the early season year-after-year. What did they do in the NCAA's this past year? Beat Illinois Wesleyan by eight before losing to Division I St. Thomas in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 14, 2019, 08:08:57 pm
Took in the Transy doubleheader today. The Manchester women shot the ball very well in the first quarter to go toe to toe on the scoreboard, but when their shooting cooled they had no answer for Transylvania size advantage. Transy outscored Manchester 60-6 in the paint and out rebounded them 49-26. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 14, 2019, 08:29:33 pm
Another frustrating game. Down 12 get it even then mistake everything one their is momentum. Then down 18 get it back to nine. Bad day for the kid in foul trouble the whole game and for first time got in dog house in 4th quarter.  Again free throws killing.  Also not finishing when we get fouled. Difference in game. Bluffton had 8 and ones to our 2 and they missed both
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 14, 2019, 11:08:40 pm
Another frustrating game. Down 12 get it even then mistake everything one their is momentum. Then down 18 get it back to nine. Bad day for the kid in foul trouble the whole game and for first time got in dog house in 4th quarter.  Again free throws killing.  Also not finishing when we get fouled. Difference in game. Bluffton had 8 and ones to our 2 and they missed both

They do look like they are making some strides Jester. With Manchester up next for RHIT, it should be a good matchup for them. Manchester may have some issues with RHIT's length.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 01:46:02 am
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 15, 2019, 02:10:07 am
I think Rose's biggest problem is they end up In a hole early and just can't recover. 4 of 7 games they've not reached double digits after the 1st quarter and it's their worst point differential at -47.
In 28 quarters if you count each one individually they're 6-21-1. Their only win came when they won 2 quarters.

1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Final
Berea
9-25
12-17
8-20
1-9
30-71
Chicago
17-23
10-25
12-13
14-13
53-74
IL Wesleyan
11-23
8-19
9-21
6-5
34-68
WashU
8-6
12-18
14-25
13-18
47-67
SMWC
17-19
15-17
15-8
19-17
66-61
Defiance
9-13
15-16
8-10
11-14
43-53
Bluffton
8-17
18-14
10-14
15-15
51-60
Total
79-126
90-126
76-111
79-91
324-454
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 15, 2019, 12:00:56 pm
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania

LOL, can't help with lottery numbers. My knowledge is limited to things with zero monetary value. ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 16, 2019, 06:19:41 pm
Baldini do you know the lottery numbers too?

Baldini 5-0    10-0
Jester 3-2      7-3
FCGG 4-1       6-4
Enginerd 3-2   5-5

Only 2 conference games left this year
12/18 Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
12/30 Earlham @ Transylvania

I will take RHIT and Transylvania, needed to get that in before the 18th comes and go's.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 16, 2019, 10:58:00 pm
In non-conference play tonight Defiance traveled to Hiram and took the lose 77-62. Defiance is now 0-6 in non-conference play, but 2-1 in conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2019, 01:55:31 am
dittto for me trany and rhit .
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 17, 2019, 10:00:50 am
I'll go Manchester and Transy.
Until they finally get over the hump it's hard to pick RHIT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 06:20:06 am
Well hopefully tonight will be the night on my way to Chicago and the couple hour drive to RHIT.  Donít know what will happen tonight. Daughter has been overwhelmed this week with classes. I have to say any athlete especially those at high academic institutions I have developed a major respect for. It would make their lives easier not to have to give time to sports and just concentrate on the unbelievable school load they get.  At Rhit I think itís even heavier as they do quarters. So you canít get behind at all you wonít have time to make up the grade like you would in semesters
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 08:20:55 pm
Rose up 2 at half in what can only be described as one ugly ass game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 18, 2019, 09:23:35 pm
Rose up 2 at half in what can only be described as one ugly ass game

It was a hard game to watch. Tough home lose for Rose-Holman with Manchester getting the win 53-49.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:27:19 pm
Everyting is so damn mechanical there is absolutely no fluidity to anything they do offensively.  I donít want to be negative on other teams and players. Iíll just say this might be the worse loss I have seen my daughter involved in
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2019, 09:38:57 pm
Everyting is so damn mechanical there is absolutely no fluidity to anything they do offensively.  I donít want to be negative on other teams and players. Iíll just say this might be the worse loss I have seen my daughter involved in

Are you saying a team full on engineering students is playing too mechanically?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 18, 2019, 09:49:33 pm
Lol yes I am.  You can see when they play they are going ok here is point 1 now we need to go point 2 and then to point 3.   There is no free creativeness going on.  Again Look at turnovers at guard position.  I will say this I didnít think Nosa played very well and you look she has 16 and 11 I wish they would get her facing the basket instead of back to basket.   The girl is going to be an absolute monster  20 plus a game once she starts being more decisive and use better hands
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on December 18, 2019, 09:55:26 pm
Keep breathing, Jester1390.
I think we've all discovered that in D3, progress may include some backward steps along with forward ones.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 18, 2019, 11:05:56 pm
Lol yes I am.  You can see when they play they are going ok here is point 1 now we need to go point 2 and then to point 3.   There is no free creativeness going on.  Again Look at turnovers at guard position.  I will say this I didnít think Nosa played very well and you look she has 16 and 11 I wish they would get her facing the basket instead of back to basket.   The girl is going to be an absolute monster  20 plus a game once she starts being more decisive and use better hands

Jester - I have watched RHIT play for 20 years - and they have had multiple coaches over that span - and I have witnessed what you describe in each of the 21 teams I have watched over the years. The kids are different and they see the world, and a basketball court differently in space, if that makes any sense.
I see a team that completely disintegrates/devolves offensively after the first pass. A LOT of standing around with their heels on the ground. They are beginning to look better defensively, though.
All I can tell you is that RHIT won 23, 24, 24, and 20 games each of the last four seasons running pretty much the same stuff - and I honestly believe they would have advanced to the 2nd weekend both years they made the NCAA tournament if the Dilworth girl hadn't gotten injured both years vs. Transy in the HCAC title game.
 Interesting idea with Igiehon - I don't know how well she handles it and they could be afraid she'll just turn it over too much. She sure looks athletic over the internet, though. Your kid looks to be a great defender, especially with her length. They always recruit well, and by the time this group are juniors, they will be back in the thick of it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 12:15:32 am
Transylvania is playing in a tournament in Santa Cruz and played Monmouth tonight. They were down 50-39 with under 5 minutes to play and for the most part had played awful all evening, yet found a way to battle back and get a basket with 8 seconds left to take a 53-52 lead. They would add 2 FT's with 1 second left to make the final 55-52, gutty comeback on a night that nothing seem to be going right.     
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2019, 04:01:45 am
I had a couple of dads talking to me and they are frustrated by the lack of scoring their kids are achieving. They are blaming the offense Iím not ready to go there.  Itís true that many of them come from a 5 or 4 out offensive system my daughter included.  But it comes down to this and itís on the girls. You can control your free throws and you can control your turnovers.  First 4 possessions of the game turnovers.  7 offensive fouls.      Another game looking at the stats where they pretty much won the numbers and dominated rebounding. They actually outshot them but the difference in free throw attempts was the difference

Ok and also can we get a referee crew where you might be blind but your hearing should work my kid got hit on the arm on 2 3 pointers I was in top row and everyone could hear it and no call but losing teams whine about refs but Iím the dad so I can

Daughter is made the deans list. Very proud of her on that and is coming home Friday for a week and then off to Nashville
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 10:19:18 am
Transylvania climbs one spot from 16 to 15 in this weeks D3Hoops poll, they remain the only HCAC team to receive any votes.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on December 19, 2019, 01:23:47 pm
I had a couple of dads talking to me and they are frustrated by the lack of scoring their kids are achieving. They are blaming the offense Iím not ready to go there.  Itís true that many of them come from a 5 or 4 out offensive system my daughter included.  But it comes down to this and itís on the girls. You can control your free throws and you can control your turnovers.  First 4 possessions of the game turnovers.  7 offensive fouls.      Another game looking at the stats where they pretty much won the numbers and dominated rebounding. They actually outshot them but the difference in free throw attempts was the difference

Ok and also can we get a referee crew where you might be blind but your hearing should work my kid got hit on the arm on 2 3 pointers I was in top row and everyone could hear it and no call but losing teams whine about refs but Iím the dad so I can

Daughter is made the deans list. Very proud of her on that and is coming home Friday for a week and then off to Nashville

I can understand their frustration - they look like a team without any offense at all. Again, however, RHIT has won a lot of games over the last five season running essentially the same stuff. They've always run 4-out, a bit less 5-out maybe because they just have not had the athletes on the perimeter, and the same 3-out/ball-screen/high-low offense with very little variation - and they've won a lot of games. It really looks like they just want to play pick-up basketball - because they've had far less talent than this (with the same numbers-I'm thinking 2009-2011) and still always won 9-10 games.
I see a lot of turnovers because bad screens are being set in the 3-out/ball-screen offense OR the player with the ball is causing offensive fouls by not waiting on the ball-screen - THEN they take two dribbles and look for someone to pass to instead of attacking. Guards throw it all over the place and post players look to get rid of it as quickly as possible instead of being aggressive WHEN the ball gets thrown inside.
Young team - and very unique situation at RHIT because the academics are SUCH a slap-in-the-face for Freshmen students and a big transition from the level or work required at RHIT compared to high school. Having an entire team full of them has to be a huge challenge, especially without any upperclassmen. We barely had calculators-only the very basic ones available in the 1970's - imagine Rose back THEN! LoL

The problem is, nobody at Manchester, Transy, Hanover, etc will be feeling sorry for them anytime soon.

Defense looks better every time out but if they don't start committing to their offense so they can score some points, it's going to be a very long January and February. Hard to win a lot of games when you have to hold every opponent to 47 points of less to have a chance to win.
Congrats on the Dean's list! They give those out as though they were man-hole covers at RHIT. Unless you've attended or had a child attend the place, you just wouldn't understand what an accomplishment that is.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2019, 04:26:04 pm
Engine  its funny how you said it looks like they want to play pick up on offense. That is the complaint from some of the dads that they are not doing any pickup that every possession is a play and that sometimes they want there kids to be able to just hoop and be creative.   I read article about 5 years ago  about hockey and the decline in playmaking.  the article suggested that kids no longer  go to ice rinks or ponds and just play like they used too.  Now everything is ridged and training, Unlike when they were just out playing with their friends they would be creative and freelance on their moves. 

I cant speak for the rest of the players but i havent seen my kid so pissed off at a loss.  I dont think any of them are concerned that other teams  want to give it to them. They were not part of those teams so what that team accomplished good and bad  they cant identify with as they were not part of it.  I think it would be safe to say that if they had the stud like the one girl  on this squad they would be undefeated in conference or even if they had her sister running the point.   They just dont have that super stud yet. Nosa can defiantly be that but as a dad of a defensive player they have to realize its just not offense  that defines you as a player but your defense.  I dont know what is going to happen I just hope they keep getting better and win some games. 

You dont want it to get to the point where they lose so much and with all the pressure on them time wise for studies. They decide to stop playing because its not fun and its eating to much into their academic time.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2019, 10:31:07 am
Transylvania keeps grinding and got another win last night against UC-San Cruz on their court. They move to 8-1 on the season, but they still seem to be struggling to put a complete game together. Starting to wonder if maybe this is just who they are, a hardnosed team that is going to grind it out game after game. Yet to see that dominate team from a season ago.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 24, 2019, 09:52:29 am
As of Christmas Eve, the current Massey Rankings for the HCAC.

Transylvania  51
Hanover  160
Bluffton  166
Franklin  175
Manchester  278
Defiance  300
Anderson  304
Earlham  305
Rose-Hulman  306
Mt. St. Joseph  326
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 25, 2019, 06:29:54 pm
Well if my daughter can run the game the way I ran todays meal I see a upset this weekend in Nashville.  Much like Lindsey Whalen on the court I was a tour de force in the kitchen. Leading the team and dishing out assists.  Cooked for 14 people and working the clock flawlessly.  From making rib roast to shimp-pea risotto and beef strew. Twice bake potatoes and a family fav. Cheddar cheese hash brown potatoís. A new corn casserole dish that had cream cheese in it and was a huge hit.  My wifeís side love their family dip made out of veleveeta and hamburger and my side loves a cream cheese ketchup and tobasco with onion dip

Down the stretch closed out the game with bread pudding the best dam cheesecake which was apple crisp which we had for the first time when kahlan visited gustavus   My 29 year old boys comment was itís a party in his mouth. Lol which he quickly regretted saying out loud.  Then at the buzzer baked Alaska to win the game

Seriously hope everyone had a great Christmas and you got to spend it with the ones who mean the most to you.   Also to remember why we celebrate and give thanks to the lord

Maybe a minor miracle in Nashville is in store
Merry Christmas
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 28, 2019, 08:42:56 pm
Well in Nashville for RHIT tournament games starting tomorrow. Good news all girls came back to team I guess the last few years at least one player has quit after the break.  I have no specific reason but I think they will be in the game tomorrow.  I donít k ow anything about Washington-Lee except there record isnít great
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 29, 2019, 03:45:11 pm
Well. RHIT totally screwed by calls today.   Lose by 6. 25 free throws attempts to 2 for RHIT.  Was down. 11 in third quarter got game tied. And I am super biased here my kid on a breakaway to take lead get hammered in shoulder no call.  They had to more cheance with less then 2 min to take lead good shots just didnít go in.  Terribble turnover at end of game.  Another disastrous pg turnover total   If they get that cleaned up and get some calls   

Let me just put it his way. This team is staying in games with horrific turnover totals  non free throws.  Better enjoy it now because they are getting closer and closer to figuring it out
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 30, 2019, 02:14:51 am
Franklin down 11 after 1 came back to win and finish 2-0 down in Florida.

One more day of non-conference games for the conference and then the next one will be in the NCAA tourney.

The good news for Rose is the brutal non-conference slate is almost over... the bad news is they've got one more beating from New Paltz first. Massey has them as 25 point underdogs. Hanover should be a bit closer, but then a 3 game road trip that they should have chances in all 3 to win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 02:25:13 am
My kid is guarding their leading scorer averaging 19 pts a senior. She held the 2 Nd leading scorer for Washington to no points she got one bucket when kid was off floor.

Big test for her to prove what I have been saying she is a first team defender for the confrence
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 06:46:47 pm
Down 12 at half was within 2 and then turnover city. Also 5 miss bunnies 19 turnovers first half.  Quick pat on the back to my kid. Their leading scorer at 19 a game has 0 at half.  See if she can keep it up with energy pace is up and down   Working her ass off on both ends
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2019, 07:44:53 pm
14 pt loss. Held them to 4 points in 3rd quarter. The tanks went dry.  Missed another 6 bunnies.  32 turnovers and still was in it in 4 th quarter.  Itís simple they will win or lose depending on their turnovers another game if they are under 20 turnovers they win the game.  Itís frustrating now because you can see if they would just take care of the dam ball they would be winning
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 31, 2019, 02:57:59 am
Let's see if the new year changes the fortunes of some teams in the conference

Baldini 1-1    11-1
Jester 1-1      8-4
FCGG 2-0       8-4
Enginerd 0-0   5-5 (didn't see any picks, let me know if I missed them)


MSJ @ Manchester is Friday, everyone else plays Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 31, 2019, 10:02:23 am
MSJ @ Manchester
Anderson @ Earlham
Transylvania @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Hanover @ RHIT

I've got Manchester, Earlham, Transylvania, Franklin and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 31, 2019, 01:46:43 pm
Manchester
Anderson
Trany
defiance
Rhit 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 03, 2020, 11:19:33 am
Manchester
Earlham
Transy
Franklin
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 03, 2020, 02:15:56 pm
Manchester
Earlham
Transy
Franklin
RHIT

RHIT has to get off the skids somewhere - especially if Nall is still out (she didn't dress last game - they are a DIFFERENT team without her).

Transy might run the table - 3 best places for them to potentially trip up at at Bluffton, RHIT, or especially Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 03, 2020, 07:38:24 pm
Manchester rolled MSJ tonight 56-30, MSJ's scoring by quarters was 6-6-12-6.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2020, 08:24:41 pm
Tomorrow will be my first game not in person Iím sure my kid will go off for 15 without me there lol.  If the can keep turnovers around 20 they will win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 04, 2020, 05:13:22 pm
Attended my first game in a couple years. Hanover throttled the Engineers pretty good. All the kids played hard and cannot question heart and effort but it just felt odd - looked like they were just struggling.
Could be classes starting Monday. Every athlete that cares about academics has worries - but it's just different at RHIT and having so many Freshmen playing so many minutes is less than ideal. They are for sure taking their lumps this season but if they can all stay together I honestly believe the future is bright.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 04, 2020, 11:58:00 pm
Baldini 4-1    15-2
FCGG 4-1       12-5
Jester 3-2      11-6
Enginerd 3-2   8-7

Wednesday
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph @ Hanover 7:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Manchester @ Anderson 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 05, 2020, 12:10:02 am
If Rose is going to get it together, now is when they have to do it. 3 straight road games against the other teams in the bottom 4 in the conference. Win at least 2 of those and they're still in the hunt with some momentum and confidence.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 05, 2020, 06:49:43 pm
Baldini 4-1    15-2
FCGG 4-1       12-5
Jester 3-2      11-6
Enginerd 3-2   8-7

Wednesday
Bluffton @ Defiance 6:00 PM
Franklin @ Transylvania 7:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph @ Hanover 7:00 PM
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham 7:30 PM
Manchester @ Anderson 7:30 PM

I will take Bluffton, Transylvania, Hanover, RHIT and Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 01:50:42 am
on my way to Cincinnati   

defiance
trany
hanover
rose
manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2020, 01:56:37 pm
on my way to Cincinnati   
A bit early... Rose doesn't head to MSJ until Saturday. Tonight is in Richmond.

Bluffton, Transy, Hanover, Earlham, Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 08, 2020, 03:53:34 pm
on my way to Cincinnati   
A bit early... Rose doesn't head to MSJ until Saturday. Tonight is in Richmond.

Bluffton, Transy, Hanover, Earlham, Anderson

Just guessing but it might be a cheaper flight from Minnesota to Cincinnati compared to Indianapolis.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 06:18:45 pm
There about the same. Iím going to the game on Saturday as well so it made more sense to co to Cincy

Just pulled up to gym.  I can fly to Chicago round trip for 107
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 08, 2020, 08:47:01 pm
Watched the 1st half of the RHIT and Earlham game and it is just mind boggling that a team can turnover the ball as often as they do. They are averaging almost a turnover a minute. Just hard to watch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 08, 2020, 09:14:59 pm
They will not win a game this year. For the smartest girls on the floor their basketball iq is minus 100

I have a theory almost. All these girls were the main players on their teams and were used to always getting the ball and not being asked to pass
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2020, 06:35:16 am
Baldini 2-3    17-5
FCGG 3-2       15-7
Jester 4-1      15-7
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 09, 2020, 06:52:52 am
Having not seen them in action I can't comment on RHIT troubles, but something needs to happen. -20 turnover differential leading to -21 in FGA. Ouch. Maybe they need to start carrying around basketballs all day.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2020, 02:34:01 pm
Saturday
Defiance (3-2) @ Transylvania (5-0) 1:00 PM
Franklin (3-2) @ Anderson (1-4) 1:00 PM
Manchester (3-2) @ Earlham (2-3) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-5) @ Mount St. Joseph (1-4) 2:00 PM
Bluffton (2-3) @ Hanover (5-0) 4:00 PM

I am going to give RHIT one last chance this weekend, if they can't get it done in this spot there may well be no hope for them. I've got Transylvania, Franklin, Manchester, RHIT and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 10, 2020, 07:13:47 pm
Transy in a romp
Franklin
Manchester (an Earlham win wouldn't shock me though)
MSJ (Rose must win to have any conference tournament hope)
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 11:30:14 am
Ok here in lovely Cincinnati want to thank the good people for Paying for my trip in the poker room.
My daughter is really banged up led the team in assists and rebounds last game bought got a black eye and worse I think she has a hip flexor. She is going to try to play through it

With that  here you go
Rose
Trany
Franklin
Manchester
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2020, 03:48:46 pm
Getting a chance to watch some of the Rose game... here's my thoughts.
For a team with plenty of taller players, Rose does not attack the basket nearly enough. A lot of passing around the perimeter and settling for long jump shots. Even when the ball gets down in the post they often end up turning away from the basket and settling for an 8 footer. Be aggressive. Get some layups. Draw some fouls. Drive to the basket and kick it out for an open shot.
Free throw shooting needs work. Need all the point they can get, can't shoot this poorly from the line.
Passing needs to be better. Too many one handed passes off the dribble that are either inaccurate or not crisp enough.
Defensively not too bad. They don't give up easy baskets inside. Maybe a few too many fouls but otherwise good job. They need to take some of that aggressiveness on defense down to the other end of the court.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2020, 03:53:48 pm
Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and itís very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Donít know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We Iím betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldnít beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful itís damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end itís about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 12, 2020, 09:56:39 am
Well st joe is celebrating 50 years of basketball and itís very appropriate. As our offense would fit in very nicely 50 years ago.  Donít know what to say we are just anemic offensively.  They show areas where you go how the hell can they be this bad. Held at joe to 9 shot clock violations.  But they just bomb 3.  We Iím betting took 5 or 6 in the game.   

Personal kid was in foul trouble can tell hip was bugging her. She showed what she can do offensively if they allow her to be in the flow of the offense but none of it matters they wouldnít beat 8 th grade teams scoring 27 pts.  Be truthful itís damn embarrassing.    I look at gustavus is doing and I have to be straight up I imagine the difference in season she would be having there.  In the end itís about her career but as far as basketball just beyond disappointing. These girls are way to athletic to be playjng g this bad.   They are getting worse. They played much better when playing top 25 teams

Jester, they all look tired and run-down. Like they are all playing sick or injured. I don't know. They've had FAR less talent than this group and won 9-10 games and been a threat to advance in the HCAC tourney and, in fact, the 2011-12 team won 8 regular season games (8-17 heading into the tourney) and won a #3 vs. #6 game to advance to the HCAC semifinals - which I believe is the only time that has ever happened. That team was probably 75% freshmen as well, I recall. That was around the time my son was in school, so I saw some games in that era, and they were definitely less talented than this group.
I still believe that this is a group with immense potential but they must be missing some vital pieces - to guess which ones is beyond by basketball knowledge - probably the perimeter though.
They always recruit extremely well given the considerable disadvantages, and IF they can keep this group together (do you think they'll all return next year?), the future is bright. I really do believe that.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2020, 04:12:14 pm
I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesnít isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    Itís not a knock on the other girls Iím just trying to get across itís ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her itís not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I donít know if itís due to their height or they just play off to far.  Iím spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    Iíll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 13, 2020, 08:21:38 am
I would agree on perimeter players except coach doesnít isnold school and is not into launching a ton of 3s. My kid but benched a half against Hanover because she shot a 3 early in shot clock. Not saying wrong or right but he wants to work clock. He is a post coach. I thought they would use my kid more from 3pt.  But she got off to such a horrible start.   I did get a chance to talk to her yesterday after game and she felt like she has rediscovered her stroke.  I just told her the other guards were 2-27 in the game and she was 2-5 for in the 20 min she was in due to foul trouble and she would tell t out she should have been 4-5 missed a right hand drive and a reverse    Itís not a knock on the other girls Iím just trying to get across itís ok to shoot and to miss.  I told her itís not working with you dishing all the time the teams needs you to realize your one of the best shooters on the team and you need to get more attempts

St joe first 11 baskets were 3 pointers I think they maybe only had 6 pts in paint.  I am going to knock some players without naming them. There is a couple of players who constantly have girls shoot 3s that they are guarding.  I donít know if itís due to their height or they just play off to far.  Iím spoiled because my kids height really bothers outside shooters so she rarely gives any up

She gave up one yesterday and the girl was 40 ft.  She was on fire made the first 5 shots of the game all 3s.    Iíll be at the game wendsday so hopefully we have a game where we have some people go off

It just looks to me as though RHIT does not have many players whom are capable of of creating/scoring off the dribble or creating for others. Now, RHIT has never been a blow-you-away schematic offensive team, but they've always been a capable offense/unbelievable defense team, like the 200 Ravens or 2002 Bucs lol.
I honestly believe that if the Brooks kid had decided to play this season, they'd be at least .500, and probably would have won the league easily last year. A confident, capable senior PG (that also knows how to win) with a steady hand cures a lot of ills, especially with a team that is 95% Freshmen. Losing her is probably the worst thing to happen to the program in a long time. I hope they stay together and all come back - this is the most talented bad team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 13, 2020, 12:34:12 pm
Baldini 3-2    20-7
FCGG 4-1       19-8
Jester 3-2      18-9
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Huge game between the top two teams
Wednesday
Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 13, 2020, 10:27:18 pm
Hanover (6-0) @ Transylvania (6-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (3-3) @ Manchester (3-3) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (0-6) @ Anderson (1-5) 7:30 PM
Earlham (3-3) @ Bluffton (2-4) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (2-4) @ Franklin (4-2) 7:30 PM

I'm going with the all home team sweep on Wednesday night. Transylvania, Manchester, Anderson, Bluffton and Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2020, 06:36:38 pm
Trany
Defiance
Rose
Bluffton
franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2020, 08:49:29 pm
Ditto on the home sweep. Defiance the most likely road team to win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2020, 09:11:40 pm
Transylvania has cracked the top 10 this week moving up 4 spots to #9
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 05:11:31 pm
Well here I am at Anderson university.  Maybe tonight will be the night.   We have a girl go 5 for 5 they decide to shoot 60 percent from free throw.  The refs give us the benefit on calls.  All the girls remember you know what I was really good in high school.  I do know how to pass and dribble. I do remember what itís like to score a basket. 

Most importantly to remember when they were the puncher and not the punching bag.  I think people have been right all the teams have taken their pound of flesh.  They knew they were beatable so they have gotten everyoneís best and sustained game.  Now the bloodletting is almost over it will be interesting how the 2nd go around gos
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 08:17:26 pm
20-16. Losing at half.  Nosa is killing it inside but her free throw shooting is such a disvantage not making them pay for fouling her.  Difference in game 4 3s to 0 for rose.  Kid is playing excellent defense has hit the floor hard twice already playing with a hip flexor proud of her sucking it up.  She needs to shoot the dam ball
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 15, 2020, 09:13:58 pm
YES YES YES YES Gold Almighty YES
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 16, 2020, 07:29:16 am
YES YES YES YES Gold Almighty YES

Still some big holes to plug, particularly on the perimeter (which could get exposed Saturday-Transy is GOOD on the perimeter) - but looked more like the team I think everyone was expecting - best basketball they've played since the first half of the WashU game. They seemed to really tank after the Nashville trip - what was in the water down there?
 If they can get Igiehon to play that hard on a consistent basis, she'll be an All-American before she's done. My God she is athletic. That steal she had towards the end of the game where she just took the ball away from #24 Moore as she was leaving the ground for a lay-up was just sublime. Her stat line says it all: 18 points (should have been 28-30 between blown lay-ups and missed FT's), 21 rebounds, and 7 blocks.
Burnham reminds me of a working man's Chiarra Franklin, and #21 Barlow, their 6'1 post, will only get better as well. Jester, your kid has had her troubles scoring this year, but she really sees the floor, defends, and once she gains some confidence and gets healthy, will be a really good all-around player.
I've said all along, the future is bright if they all come back and they recruit as well as they always have.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2020, 08:34:34 am
They are a re pounding monster team already.  I told my kid even though she scored 4 she affected the game on both ends of the floor.   Held her defensive assignments she was guarding one of their top scorers to 0 points.   The play she made when Nosa was shooting the free throw and kahlan was the only person coach had in the lane.  She fought off 3 defenders and was able to tip it Nosa for her to make a layup. Then she immediately got 2 turnovers.   We talked a About finishing better itís another game where she could have easily been in double figures and she only shot a few times   

Key to game 14 turnovers only.  The senior guard woody came through with a huge 3 the only one of the game and was clutch on free throws down the line.   They still reside in brick city but itís getting better with the shooting
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 16, 2020, 02:15:36 pm
It seems to be a down year for most in the HCAC this season.

Transylvania looks like they are going to run the table. Hanover will probably beat everyone except Transy and the other 8 seem to be an 'any given night' group. Before last night I would of guessed that Franklin, Bluffton and Manchester were good candidates to earn playoff spots, but Franklin losing at home gives me doubt about them being a sure thing. With 11 conference games yet to be played, it would not surprise me to see anyone of the 8 teams fill out the playoff spots 3-6.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:22:34 pm
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:23:22 pm
Trany
Defiance
Rose
Bluffton
franklin

May I suggest that if anyone want's to shorten Transylvania ... this is NOT how it's done. Transy works.

I realize it might be a typo, but I also realize that some would take exception to it as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2020, 07:49:08 pm
* Rose-Hulman ranks No. 2 in the HCAC in scoring defense, allowing just 58.3 points per game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 16, 2020, 08:43:59 pm
Congrats to Rose on getting that first win. Looks like turnovers were better and more action inside. Huge night for Igiehon.

Franklin just couldn't hit anything the final 5 minutes. They went 1 for 12 to finish the game, 0 for 4 from three. MSJ won it at the line, they were 23 of 29 while Franklin was just 6 of 14.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 02:17:48 am
so i got a negative for spelling trany for short seems reasonable shortening. If you get upset by that you are really  going out of your way to be offended. If we are going to take umbrage at Trany when its obvious there is no disrespect and why does one have to automatically go there and more importantly that a transgender person is going to get triggered by seeing a shortening of a school's name is some how mean spirited or offensive is actually in my opinion very condescending to that person.  So there will be no apologies but at the same time if Transy makes the world a little brighter I can do that as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 17, 2020, 09:31:49 am
Saturday's games.

Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance
Transylvania @ Rose-Hulman
Anderson @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Manchester
Earlham @ Hanover

I will take Defiance, Transy, Bluffton, Franklin and Hanover. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 11:09:31 am
defiance
transy
anderson
manchester
hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2020, 03:11:31 pm
so i got a negative for spelling trany for short seems reasonable shortening. If you get upset by that you are really  going out of your way to be offended. If we are going to take umbrage at Trany when its obvious there is no disrespect and why does one have to automatically go there and more importantly that a transgender person is going to get triggered by seeing a shortening of a school's name is some how mean spirited or offensive is actually in my opinion very condescending to that person.  So there will be no apologies but at the same time if Transy makes the world a little brighter I can do that as well.

You may be reading too much into this. First off, I corrected you and I don't smite or applaud in general (unless really pushed) ... but I'm just making sure the hundreds (or thousands) of people who read these boards ... at least one is off your apparent "list."

Secondly, you could be applauded or smited for anything you write at any time. You don't know why people might do it based just on when or what you posted last. That isn't how it works. Someone could have read something you wrote from a few weeks ago and didn't like it and smited you ... but it pops up now because they just read it. It's coincidental. We also don't have a record of what post they smited.

Just don't assume because you didn't include an "s" in the short-hand for Transylvania (which should be obvious to include in my opinion) that someone smited you for that specifically. It could have been anything you wrote on these boards. You just don't really know.

You also took a nice long walk off a pretty short pier to assume the person that smited you must be a transgender - or at least that is how it has come across reading it six times. Or at least that a transgender person is going to get "triggered" because of your apparent (I say apparent, because you have yet to apologize for what I assume was a spelling or typo mistake but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; you should do the same with others) misspelling. You don't have a clue who the person was who smited you ... but you certainly seem to think you do know which is pretty odd for a somewhat newby to these boards.

Or you assume you know what people might be "triggered" by. You shorted Transylvania to what is a condescending term especially for transgender individuals. And you are made at someone for being upset with you? Really? Even if you did it by accident, you did it. This isn't on other people. And your recourse is to not only assume someone smited you for it (and again, please provide the proof it was that particular post that caused the negative reaction; I can guess your most recent post has caused more negative feedback, though), but to then be unapologetic because ... you don't like that fact?

Why you won't apologize for a typo (at best) is beyond me. Why you take a "smite" from someone personal is beyond me. But attacking particular people because you think you know the reason is insane. I'm not sure why you simply can't apologize for the mistake and not attack others. "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to eliminated the 's' and misconstrue the intent. I'll make sure to keep that in mind in the future," goes a long way.

I will say, the kind of mentality you are reacting with, though, has seen people exit these boards.

The proper way to shorted Transylvania is Transy and all you have to do is look at their website to get that information. Apologizing and admitting you, like the rest of us, are human is certainly a nice way to go about it as well.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 17, 2020, 06:35:09 pm
Sorry for the delay on this... had a shoulder manipulation on Wednesday and I've been a bit off since. Still trying to get back into the swing of things.

Baldini 3-2     23-9
FCGG 3-2       22-10
Jester 3-2      21-11
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

I'm taking MSJ, Transy, Bluffton, Franklin, Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2020, 07:49:04 pm
No I wasnít addressing others I was addressing you.  I said I think itís condescending to automatically go oh someone is going to be offended by an abbreviation which is innocent.  You really have to go down the rabbit hole and make it something it was not.   It was a shortening of a school name the context of it is obvious.  I know you have a site.  I didnít assume anything on anyone reading the comment. You donít need to be gay or transgender to be made disgusted by homophobic remarks. 

I just pointed out that for anyone to take an abbreviation as such a comment. You are really looking to be offended   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 01:46:43 pm
Well down 6 at half vs Transylvania started game up 11.  They have defiantly turned the corner they might still lose by 20 never know one girl just liked behind bench so they may be down to 7.    Donít want to jinx the kid but she held Boyle to 0 points first half 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 06:04:24 pm
Well a pretty goo djob today by rose-hulman Im not one for moral victories but alot of good today in the 12 point loss.   First breaking 60 points huge deal.    Kudos to boyle for having a great 2nd half for transy.  Jinxed the kid a little at half . Boyle got 2 baskets and a free throw on a and one against her and then scored 10 more on other match ups.

Again you can see where i think this team will be pretty good down the road. After a awesome last game Nosa was held in check after first quarter but Rose Burnham scored her career high of 18 i think. this after getting sick behind the bench.  They have multiple girls that can lead the team in scoring or rebounding on any given day. 

Defiantly there high in 3 point shooting as both wilson and jester shot well.

It will be interesting to see if Transy gos through the same situation as Rose next year as they are graduating 90 percent of their scoring. From what i could tell i dont think the  freshman  or sophomores played a lot.

The kids were pretty happy after the game they know if they keep playing like they have the last 2 games they are going to see  alot more wins in 2nd half of season
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 18, 2020, 06:59:19 pm
IMHO, I think it is wishful thinking to believe Transylvania will go though the same thing RHIT is going through this season. Transylvania has two Seniors this season and they account for 43.9% of their scoring. The cupboard is still well stock for next season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 07:14:10 pm
I thought there big 3 were all seniors
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 18, 2020, 07:48:47 pm
IMHO, I think it is wishful thinking to believe Transylvania will go though the same thing RHIT is going through this season. Transylvania has two Seniors this season and they account for 43.9% of their scoring. The cupboard is still well stock for next season.

The PG #2 is a Jr I believe.
Boyle and Woodard will leave a HUGE void - without Woodard tonight Transy goes into halftime down 12-15 MINIMUM. If those two don't dress today RHIT wins the game - dressing 8 players.

Historically, Transy's always been just fine. Around 2010-11, when they lost Milburn and Black, they went out and got Coffman and Smith, when they lost Coffman and Smith they went out and got Boyle and Woodard - not to mention Hayes (who was IMHO a better player than EITHER of them prior to her ACL injury) and Gransbery, who only stuck around for a year but remains the most athletic kid they've ever recruited - next year a couple other borderline NAIA/DII/DI kids will show up who can really score for them. They always seem to get the kids they need - JUST when they need them.

Jester there are a multitude of majors to choose from at Transy, they have a great location in Lexington (attend a small liberal arts college but feel like you attend UK with all the entertainment and distractions downtown). RHIT has to find girls with 34-35 ACT scores - who want to be engineers - who can play at a high level - and whose families can afford $71,000 per year. I asked one of the parents (of a two-time all-HCAC player) a few years ago, he told me his daughter was paying $45,000 AFTER financial aid!

The question we should all be asking is "How is God's name does RHIT even compete with Transy, let alone win nine straight and two HCAC title games"
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 18, 2020, 09:59:04 pm
Well every kid is different at rose. For family needs also I think but donít know 100 percent I think there is more financial aid avaiable for minorities especially woman to help close the gap in that area for engineering.  I know in my case we a re a middle class family and Iím paying around 40 k after my daughters grants for her grades. 

It was simple for us. She had offers from D-2 and Naia schools for a full ride and I donít care where you are at financially that is a big deal. Especially when you factor in all the money you spent to get her to that point. 

But in the end every school that offered her a ride had limited degrees. She pretty much would have been a nurse at any of those schools. Nothing wrong with that but her mind and intelligence is in stem classes. There was really no great degree that used to disciplines.

She had decided to either attend Gustavus where after academic money would have been about 30 k of she stayed home.  If she took the full ride she had decided on Simpson university in California and also would have been a nurse

We visited a lot of schools and it was great so many wanted her but right before she was going to make her choice.  She said dad you always told me that once I saw the school I would know for sure.   I like both schools but I donít have that feeling.  During this time Rose has come late to the game along with Ohio welselyn    I said we can go visit these 2 schools for engineering.  She was burnt out from recruiting trips but she said she would go to one but not both   Rose had really been talking to me and saying if I can just get her there she would love it

They were right   Now after day 3 she wanted to come home but thatís for another time.
The point being Coach prevo has told her that the fact she didnít take the full ride she shouldnít look negative at that. That she should be proud that she had put herself where she had choices.  To many kids have to accept offers and take degrees that they might not want because of financial or no other offers

Writing the check is hard but I know for my daughter and what it will do for her itís worth every penny.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2020, 11:20:18 pm
Well every kid is different at rose. For family needs also I think but donít know 100 percent I think there is more financial aid avaiable for minorities especially woman to help close the gap in that area for engineering.  I know in my case we a re a middle class family and Iím paying around 40 k after my daughters grants for her grades. 

It was simple for us. She had offers from D-2 and Naia schools for a full ride and I donít care where you are at financially that is a big deal. Especially when you factor in all the money you spent to get her to that point. 

But in the end every school that offered her a ride had limited degrees. She pretty much would have been a nurse at any of those schools. Nothing wrong with that but her mind and intelligence is in stem classes. There was really no great degree that used to disciplines.

She had decided to either attend Gustavus where after academic money would have been about 30 k of she stayed home.  If she took the full ride she had decided on Simpson university in California and also would have been a nurse

We visited a lot of schools and it was great so many wanted her but right before she was going to make her choice.  She said dad you always told me that once I saw the school I would know for sure.   I like both schools but I donít have that feeling.  During this time Rose has come late to the game along with Ohio welselyn    I said we can go visit these 2 schools for engineering.  She was burnt out from recruiting trips but she said she would go to one but not both   Rose had really been talking to me and saying if I can just get her there she would love it

They were right   Now after day 3 she wanted to come home but thatís for another time.
The point being Coach prevo has told her that the fact she didnít take the full ride she shouldnít look negative at that. That she should be proud that she had put herself where she had choices.  To many kids have to accept offers and take degrees that they might not want because of financial or no other offers

Writing the check is hard but I know for my daughter and what it will do for her itís worth every penny.

Truth.  I'm very proud of the fact that my sons graduated without a penny of student loan debt.  (Though son #1 is saddled with thousands in debt from his wife's student debts, with a degree she is not using, but he and she gave us our four wonderful grandkids, so we forgive them! ;D) (Son #2 is so far unmarried, but we took him and his VERY serious girlfriend out for his 28th birthday this evening - no idea if she has student debt - not our debt, not our business. 8-))
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2020, 07:03:08 pm
Baldini 4-1     27-10
FCGG 3-2       25-12
Jester 4-1      25-12
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

This will mark the halfway point of conference play. One trip through the conference down, one more to go.

Wednesday

Earlham @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 10:26:23 pm
No I wasnít addressing others I was addressing you.  I said I think itís condescending to automatically go oh someone is going to be offended by an abbreviation which is innocent.  You really have to go down the rabbit hole and make it something it was not.   It was a shortening of a school name the context of it is obvious.  I know you have a site.  I didnít assume anything on anyone reading the comment. You donít need to be gay or transgender to be made disgusted by homophobic remarks. 

I just pointed out that for anyone to take an abbreviation as such a comment. You are really looking to be offended

I think the person offended was you for me pointing out a mistake. I'm sorry if you took it that way, but your caterization of what I was thinking or why I posted is about as far off topic as I have seen in awhile. You completely misread (into) a simple post. I simply pointed out the proper way to shorten the name as it was just sitting there and hadn't been edited. Maybe you didn't realize your mistake. Pretty sure you could still apologize. Because all I said was "hey, FYI ..."

I didn't take offense to it. I also didn't say I was offended. There is a chance someone could be, so I figured it was worth noting it should be done with an S whenever shortened. I actually figured it could have been an innocent mistake, thus my simple post - and it really was a simple post. So, why not fix it? Or apologize for a simple mistake? Why instead do you have to take personal offense yourself for someone pointing out your accidental mistake? You decided to indicate that I must have been sensitive and made comments about other people ... not me. I didn't even come place to making those comments in my post. I simply said the proper way for it to be shortened.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 19, 2020, 11:57:26 pm
I made my point i have moved on. Were just going to have to agree to disagree.   People can decide for themselves. you have noticed I didnt decide to be an ahole and have been typing transy for short per your request it wasn't a big deal Im just  not a fan of social mob trying to shame and call people names  like being insane when they dont like something.  Even though to be fair you are the only writing me on this so i cant call it a mob.

You keep saying i made a accidental mistake. It wasnt a mistake and it wasnt accidental. I shortened the schools name on picks and to be straight up my mind didnt go where yours did when i typed it .
So you see that why there is no need to apologize there was no mistake there was no error you and i just have a difference of opinion on if it was egregious or not.  Lets get back to basketball  can someone explain why a player would leave the university of minnesota  womans program for giving a bad look to the coach
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2020, 03:10:26 pm
Earlham @ Defiance 7:30 PM
Franklin @ Rose-Hulman 7:30 PM
Transylvania @ Mount St. Joseph 7:30 PM
Bluffton @ Manchester 7:30 PM
Anderson @ Hanover 7:30 PM

Some tight games to pick for Wednesday. I will go with Earlham, Franklin, Transylvania, Bluffton and Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 20, 2020, 04:07:01 pm
I'll second those picks.
Earlham, Franklin, Transy, Bluffton, Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2020, 08:03:57 pm
I made my point i have moved on. Were just going to have to agree to disagree.   People can decide for themselves. you have noticed I didnt decide to be an ahole and have been typing transy for short per your request it wasn't a big deal Im just  not a fan of social mob trying to shame and call people names  like being insane when they dont like something.  Even though to be fair you are the only writing me on this so i cant call it a mob.

You keep saying i made a accidental mistake. It wasnt a mistake and it wasnt accidental. I shortened the schools name on picks and to be straight up my mind didnt go where yours did when i typed it .
So you see that why there is no need to apologize there was no mistake there was no error you and i just have a difference of opinion on if it was egregious or not.  Lets get back to basketball  can someone explain why a player would leave the university of minnesota  womans program for giving a bad look to the coach

Is this the Destiny Pitts drama you are referring to? This is from the Pioneer Press article.

'What we do know is that Pitts was not suspended because she and a teammate were arrested on suspicion of criminal sexual conduct. She wasnít suspended for appearing in a sexually explicit video posted to social media, either. Nor was she being investigated by the Uís Title IX wing for sexual assault or being part of a prescription drug ring'.

Sounds like Ms. Pitts has some issues and it seems to me that whatever course of action the coach decides to take they should be supported. No player should ever believe they are bigger than the program because they are not. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 20, 2020, 09:46:50 pm
Defiance
transy
bluftton
hanover
rose   i think they have figured it out some. they are playing another really young team. could be a good night for them to get back in tournament. Or  a horrible night might mean elimination

A word on Transy. I know there been huge battles the last few years but i have to say they handled themselves with class from the coach to the players.  My kid took the coach out in warmups and the coach was very gracious withe her.. The players help Rose players up after a foul.  The recap on their website was very respectful when a lesser team as i have seen gone out of their way to really bash the Rose squad.  The head coach was very complimentary on the freshman and she could see on film them growing every game.

I think you see that improvement the most in handling the press the last couple of teams that have pressed  hasnt really hurt them.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 22, 2020, 03:53:28 pm
Well here at the lovely Mx in Terre haute wasting time to the game tonight for rose against franklin in the battle of the youngans    Hopefully the spacing and scoring will be like against Transylvaniaís.  They also keep the turnovers under 20
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 07:52:22 pm
Under 3 1/2 minutes left and Rose finally on the board. 19-2 Franklin leads. 11 turnovers already. Not what the Engineers were hoping for after their recent performances.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:01:51 pm
Well here at the lovely Mx in Terre haute wasting time to the game tonight for rose against franklin in the battle of the youngans    Hopefully the spacing and scoring will be like against Transylvaniaís.  They also keep the turnovers under 20
Were you referring to under 20 turnovers for the game or each quarter? ??? 13 turnovers in the 1st quarter.
I missed the first few minutes which seems like was the worst of it. Honestly other than the turnovers Rose didn't look that bad towards the end of the quarter. Just need the shots to start falling.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:13:52 pm
From the Rose announcers: "A guard needs to get open... a guard needs to get open" - this was constantly being said both at the offensive end and inbounds after Franklin baskets.

I'm happy Franklin is doing well, but wow is Rose having a rough game. I can't count how many shots inside 5 feet Rose has missed.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 08:53:18 pm
I said it earlier in the season, Rose needs to get off to better starts. Since spotting Franklin 19 points to begin, they've outscored the Grizzlies 34-30 late in the 3rd.
Franklin maybe a bit lazy in the 3rd with the comfortable lead. Like Rose, Franklin needs to work on their FT.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2020, 09:34:55 pm
67-50 Grizzlies win and remain in 3rd place in the conference. Franklin started up 19-0... Rose won the rest of the way 50-48.
Rose had 14 assists on 19 FG.

I liked Kahlan at the end of the game when she got involved... sharp passing, drive and kick out, take a few shots. She just needs to keep the fouls down so she can be out on the floor more. Her and Igiehon both only played 22 minutes and had 4 fouls while the other starters were all over 30 minutes.

Definitely tough right now knowing what they hopefully can become, but the good news for Rose... 6th place in the conference is only 3-6 so they're still just 2 games back. If they can show up in the 1st quarter of games they can get some wins and still have a shot at the conference tournament. Otherwise work towards next year when the bench is a bit bigger and everyone is a bit more experienced. The Franklin men were pretty much all freshman and sophomores a couple of years ago and had their struggles but now they're leading the conference.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2020, 10:10:11 pm
Defiance was in an early hole against Earlham, down double digits most of the first half. Kept battling and gained the lead in the 4th to go onto a 69-63 victory.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2020, 04:14:33 am
That first quarter was just beyond embarrassing good god how any of them played and excel in high school you would never know.  The school of the blind would make better passes.  How do you play guard your whole life but now you canít dribble. 

I told my kid you are all letting other teams impose their will on you.  Remeber when you were young we would always talk about breaking spirit of the other player.  Now you guys are having it done to you.  There was so much grabbing off the ball and just know calls. I stole her if you are going to get a ticky tack foul anyways   Get one for throwing a girl off of you    If they want to press up 20. Have the guard bring her girl to center court and bury her on a pick   Tell them you may beat us but damn it you are not breaking us

Simple things need to happen

1.nosa canít foulespecially dumb fouls and needs to stay on court
2.turnovers are ridiculous my kid gets 2 to 3 turnovers inbounding because guards donít move and lose defender
3.woody needs to shoot
4.jester needs to stay out of foul trouble they really struggle contain 3s when she is off the court

Then just my kid.  You can see how much better the offense is with the ball in her hand bringing it up the middle. Sheís my kid so take it for what itís worth. She grew up a point guard then shot to 6 ft so she should be a forward or shooting guard but this team needs her to help handle the ball. Let her run the point she sees the floor better then the other guards she is taller so she Can pass over the top.  She played with a girl who is 6í2 250 lbs who will break her high school scoring record and she will tell you a lot of them is because the kid k ones how to get the ball into the post

Lastly my kid need to shoot after a horrible start to the year at 3ís she has rediscovered her stroke I think she is at 29 percent conference problem is she got in trouble sir shooting early in shot clock. So now she wonít shoot early on clock even if itís there
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2020, 04:18:43 am
I Also didnít mean to imply that kid doesnít f things up also   It just seems she has the best ability and know the offense that when she has the ball instead of waiting the offense runs better.  They should be looking g to pound it inside.  Nosa should be 20 and 10 every game with her ability.  Rose should be 10 pts every game.   Jester and woody also

The problem with turnovers itís just not one girl where you can start hey take a seat itís across the vboard. Sorry for ranting and rambling tired waiting at OíHare for a plane ride home.  Bluffton Saturday have a bunch of family coming for the  fight cancer game. Hopefully they all decide to show up
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 24, 2020, 03:58:55 am
Baldini 3-2     30-12
FCGG 3-2       28-14
Jester 3-2      28-14
Enginerd 0-0   8-7


Saturday
Defiance (5-4) @ Hanover (8-1) 1:00 PM
Franklin (6-3) @ Earlham (3-6) 1:00 PM
Anderson (2-7) @ Transylvania (9-0) 3:00 PM
Manchester (5-4) @ Mount St. Joseph (3-6) 3:00 PM
Bluffton (3-6) @ Rose-Hulman (1-8) 3:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 24, 2020, 09:35:29 am
Defiance (5-4) @ Hanover (8-1) 1:00 PM
Franklin (6-3) @ Earlham (3-6) 1:00 PM
Anderson (2-7) @ Transylvania (9-0) 3:00 PM
Manchester (5-4) @ Mount St. Joseph (3-6) 3:00 PM
Bluffton (3-6) @ Rose-Hulman (1-8) 3:30 PM

Going back for a RHIT upset one more time.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2020, 11:04:04 am
Hanover
franklin
tRANSY
MACHEster
Rose

just a coincidence that every game i picked helps Rose lol
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 25, 2020, 01:37:25 am
Hanover
Franklin
Transy
Manchester (I think MSJ has a shot at the upset)
Bluffton (Beavers have struggled as of late but I can't pick Rose until they put a full game together)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 25, 2020, 09:29:22 am
Agree with you on the Manchester-MSJ game. Would not be surprised to see either team win that game or the Bluffton-RHIT game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 25, 2020, 06:16:33 pm
Big win for the girls. Huge plays by everyone. They are still sprinkling in what the hell was that but now they are overcoming.  Huge drive by Burnham and the the senior woody knocking down the 2 free throws. Nola Wilson making big 3s

I know a few messages ago. Talked about plus minus.  I have to watch the game on web but i think Iím pretty accurate here.   My kid had to sit with the team up 11 with fouls sat the. 2nd quarter when she came back at half. They were down 8. She played the whole 2nd half and won by 2.  Now defense is not one person alone but her ability to take away a shooter and to make it harder to pass inside was obvious and her team when she was on the court was plus 21.

Still not happy she isnít scoring but if your not going to score make a difference on the other end of the court. Every game went there way today except manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 25, 2020, 11:47:11 pm
I was wrong plus 12
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2020, 12:09:29 am
I was wrong plus 12

I may not be following along well, but I believe the final stat sheet disagrees with you.

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=289985
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2020, 12:46:09 am
Lol well according to that Iím wrong donít see how she was minus 2  I guess I canít add left the game with a 8 point lead came back with team down 5 and then won by 2. But I could be being a moron. In any case just another good defensive game held Bluffton to 6 points in first quarter and 5 in the last. 

Gillig had 5 I believe was their leading score.  Mills had 11 including a unbelievable clutch 3 to keep her team in the game at the end.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 26, 2020, 07:30:25 am
I see a team (in RHIT) full of kids who were likely the best player, or one of the best players, on their respective HS teams. The awful turnovers such as bringing down a rebound, then whipping the ball up-court to the wrong jersey without even turning to see who's around, tells me they've never been subject to a great deal of discipline, and have relied on their athleticism and natural abilities up to this point - which you absolutely cannot do at ANY collegiate level.
They still refuse to run anything that resembles an offense. Looks more like a pick-up game at times. Could be a conditioning issue but they play hard on the defensive end and stand around on the offensive end. Surreal moment yesterday when one of the far-less-mobile bigs had the ball out at 30 feet, and the perimeter players just ran away from her, then stood and watched her, hands, on hips, until the bench erupted as the shot-clock ran down...says it all...

More than any other team in the HCAC, other than perhaps Franklin, RHIT has the DNA of something pretty unique and exciting for the years to come. Transy will always do their thing, and I'm sure Hanover will go out and get themselves exactly the class they need to replace all the departing seniors, but I see the bones of a special team here.
Igiehon, for example is having ridiculous rebounding totals (21 vs. Anderson) but looks as though she's never been taught a thing offensively. She is easily the most athletic kid in the entire HCAC in years, if not ever. If she ever develops an all-around game it could get ugly for everyone else in a year or two. Burnham is the heart and soul of that team and will play a huge role moving forward.
Nice to see Wilson find her stroke - her highlight films online are a sight to behold with pull-up jumpers from the volleyball line and just inside half-court.
Jester your kid is a unique Swiss-Army knife and will be indispensable.
Barlow might actually be their best shooter.
It's a shame they've lost some kids from the last few classes. Having a steady senior PG like Brooks around could easily have transformed RHIT into a team contending for the 2nd or 3rd spot in the league. Hopefully, they will have a good 2020 recruiting class. The future is extremely bright if they can find some help on the perimeter and build depth elsewhere..
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2020, 08:22:46 pm
Engine couldnít agree more on all your points.  Also the lack of quantity of players affect the practices for 5 on 5.  Also I know on my daughters case they are getting beat down physical wise.   Kahlan is averaging 30 to 34 min a game if fouls donít sit her.  She has been hurt for about 3 weeks with a hip issue when you watch the game you may see her fiddling with a brace thing under her right short flap. Itís very uncomfortable device.  I think this is true for all the players but I know how my kid was raised but itís really important with having so few players.

Are you hurt or are you injured. If your hurt the team needs you.  I know what she is going through with her body and I know a lot of players play hurt to their credit. Her problem is she canít take time so she needs to play through it.  Do the things she can still do to help her team.  She is not happy with her scoring output but  I told her I was proud of her she is Being asked to do a lot on the defensive end and helping bring the ball up. We thought coming to college she wouldnít have to bring the ball up anymore except sheís very good pushing when she gets a rebound and could just concentrate on getting open for 3s and driving. 


also they donít have very demonstrative players emotionally. I did notice though Webster during a late timeout being emotional during the timeout.  And after the game dancing with Nosa which was great.  The last few games she seemed to not be having fun and I know she is a great young lady and losing can do that.  To see her engaged like she was. Is terrific. She is by far their quickest player and has the ability to break someone down.  I thought she was really struggling the last few games but I thought she was a difference maker in the game. Her drives were getting their players in foul trouble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2020, 09:37:56 pm
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I feel like someone needs to have a Captain Phillips moment for Rose and take charge on offense. No one seems willing to be in control and the offense just stagnates as they play hot potato then stand and watch. Occasionally someone will step up for a few possessions and then the offense actually looks ok but it eventually returns to terrible.

Even I'm frustrated by how their offense is doing and I root for a conference foe.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 26, 2020, 09:55:02 pm
Baldini 4-1     34-13
Jester 4-1      32-15
FCGG 3-2       31-16
Enginerd 0-0   8-7


Wednesday
Transylvania (10-0) @ Franklin (7-3) 7:00 PM
Hanover (9-1) @ Mount St. Joseph (4-6) 7:30 PM
Defiance (5-5) @ Anderson (2-8) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (2-8) @ Manchester (5-5) 7:30 PM
Bluffton (3-7) @ Earlham (3-7) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 26, 2020, 10:14:23 pm
Transylvania (10-0) @ Franklin (7-3) 7:00 PM
Hanover (9-1) @ Mount St. Joseph (4-6) 7:30 PM
Defiance (5-5) @ Anderson (2-8) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (2-8) @ Manchester (5-5) 7:30 PM
Bluffton (3-7) @ Earlham (3-7) 7:30 PM

Some wide open affairs on Wednesday, one of the few spots that Transylvania could get ambushed this season. Don't think they can sleepwalk through this one. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 27, 2020, 03:06:05 am
Transy
hanover
defiance
earlham
rose  lost to them by 5 last time and really gave the game away last time hopefully cn grind out  another low score win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2020, 10:34:50 pm
Transy (I'd love for the Grizzlies to knock off #7 in the country though)
Hanover (but MSJ will keep it closer than expected)
Anderson (the tossup of the day)
Manchester (if Rose gets off to a good start like last game they'll win)
Earlham (another game that could go either way)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on January 29, 2020, 01:41:47 pm
Transy (I'd love for the Grizzlies to knock off #7 in the country though)
Hanover (but MSJ will keep it closer than expected)
Anderson (the tossup of the day)
Manchester (if Rose gets off to a good start like last game they'll win)
Earlham (another game that could go either way)

There are three remaining opportunities for someone to get Transy. Tonight at Franklin, at Hanover, and when RHIT goes to Transy (yeah I know-but they've historically ALWAYS played them tough there and had a huge upset in 2012-13 and but for two FT's with no time left on the clock, again in 2014-15). Anything can always happen in the HCAC Tournament.
Likely they'll run the table, though.
Just no reason RHIT should lose to Manchester, MSJ, or especially Earlham.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2020, 01:50:49 pm
Lol have you seen the games. Iím worried about the kid tonight just told me she has only had 4 hours of sleep the last 2 days. Going to try to rest up on the trip   Iím sitting in Chicago about to get on plane to Indy and then drive like a bat out of hell to ft Wayne to get to the game

Mad at myself I booked a non changeable flight for Saturday which is senior night and messed up on the time so wouldnít get to the game on time so just going to have to eat the ticket and watch the game at home
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on January 29, 2020, 02:14:42 pm
I wonder, if you typically fly Delta, if you should've flown MSP to Detroit and drove from there to North Manchester. DTW airport is in the southwest part of that metro area.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2020, 02:26:38 pm
Iím on southwest
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 07:16:26 pm
Great start for Franklin against the Pioneers. 12-6 lead midway through the 1st. Transy already has 5 turnovers while averaging only 14 a game.

It's now 18-6 with 2 1/2 minutes left in the 1st. Franklin looks like the team with the #7 ranking so far. Announcers say Transy's largest deficit this season is 14.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 07:35:12 pm
It's now 33-16... Franklin is forcing turnovers, bad shots, and pushing the ball up the court every possession. Largest deficit of the season for Transylvania.

Pioneers finally got their act together and finished the half on a 16-2 run. Grizzlies still lead at halftime 35-32.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2020, 07:53:14 pm
Great first half for Franklin, yet only lead by 3. The start of the 2nd half will be very interesting to see if Franklin can take control or will Transylvania pick up where they left off. Should be a good 2nd half.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 09:03:44 pm
Franklin held on for a while but eventually Transylvania pulled it out. They didn't get their first lead until 4:39 left in the 3rd. Franklin was still up 4 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd but again Transy finished the quarter strong on a 9-1 run to lead by 4. Transy took the lead for good with 5 minutes left in the game finishing on a 14-3 run to win by 11.

If the quarters were only 7-8 minutes long then the Grizzlies would have crushed the Pioneers. Transy just finished every quarter much better and undid all of Franklin's hard work. Hopefully there's one more meeting this year in the conference title game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 29, 2020, 09:14:09 pm
Looks like Rose is getting their first win streak of the year. Only 17 turnovers but just 9 assists on 25 FG.

If scores hold... the conference is tight from 4th to 10
Transy 11-0, Hanover 10-1
Franklin 7-4

Defiance 5-6, Manchester 5-6
MSJ 4-7, Earlham 4-7
Bluffton 3-8, Rose-3-8, Anderson 3-8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2020, 11:07:36 pm
The group that makes up the bottom seven and are scrambling for the last 3 playoff spots will make the last 7 conference games for each very interesting. They all play each other enough times and someone has to win those games that the head-to-head games will be double jeopardy to each of them. Every team still has a real chance to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 30, 2020, 12:19:18 am
For the first time this season. The other team had more turnovers then rose.  The retribution tour continues Saturday.   In all seriousness the 2nd half offense was by far the best of the year.  Nola Wilson has really come on the last 2 weeks with her outside shooting and has been a dagger.  Desire Webster I feel has found her mojo again. Her quickness tonight and got them back in game. Her and Nosa need to go to free throw practice together

Rose was usual self and The senior Hannah Woody put the team on her back

For my kid I thought she had a terrible first  half but redeemed herself defensively in the 2nd half and taking care of the ball.   I am very worried about her physically.  After the game I saw her and the hip is getting worse there is just no way to make it better besides rest so itís really how much pain can she play through

Great game by the girls defense wasnít as stellar as usual but if we had to trade just a little defense to get the offense over60 Iíll take it
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 31, 2020, 03:55:19 pm
Baldini 4-1     38-14
Jester 4-1      36-16
FCGG 4-1       35-17
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (4-7) @ Rose-Hulman (3-8) 1:00 PM 
Transylvania (11-0) @ Defiance (5-6) 1:00 PM
Earlham (4-7) @ Anderson (3-8) 1:00 PM
Hanover (10-1) @ Manchester (5-6) 1:00 PM
Franklin (7-4) @ Bluffton (3-8) 2:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 31, 2020, 04:32:17 pm
Mount St. Joseph (4-7) @ Rose-Hulman (3-8) 1:00 PM 
Transylvania (11-0) @ Defiance (5-6) 1:00 PM
Earlham (4-7) @ Anderson (3-8) 1:00 PM
Hanover (10-1) @ Manchester (5-6) 1:00 PM
Franklin (7-4) @ Bluffton (3-8) 2:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 01, 2020, 01:47:36 am
Well will be sitting on the couch tomorrow watching. Kid told me her one leg was 2 inches longer then the other because of her hip. Trainer had to tug on her and stuff. Hopefully she can keep playing through it.

Rose
Transy
Anderson
Hanover
Franklin

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 01, 2020, 11:51:51 am
Take care of that hip. Don't want to cause more issues that linger into future seasons or beyond.

Rose
Transy
Earlham (someone has to be different)
Hanover
Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 01, 2020, 12:07:42 pm
Earlham- Anderson feels like a complete toss-up game to me, a game worth having a differing opinion on. IMHO 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2020, 01:44:34 am
We were a Rose win away from a 5 way tie for last place in the conference.

Baldini 3-2     41-16
Jester 3-2      39-18
FCGG 2-3       37-20
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Transylvania (12-0) @ Earlham (4-8) 5:30 PM
Franklin (7-5) @ Hanover (11-1) 7:00 PM
Manchester (5-7) @ Defiance (5-7)  7:30 PM
Anderson (4-8) @ Rose-Hulman (3-9) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (5-7) @ Bluffton (4-8) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 04, 2020, 09:18:49 am
transy
hanover
manchester
rose
st joe
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2020, 10:25:24 am
Transylvania (12-0) @ Earlham (4-8) 5:30 PM
Franklin (7-5) @ Hanover (11-1) 7:00 PM
Manchester (5-7) @ Defiance (5-7)  7:30 PM
Anderson (4-8) @ Rose-Hulman (3-9) 7:30 PM
Mount St. Joseph (5-7) @ Bluffton (4-8) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2020, 06:58:09 am
Transy
Hanover (Franklin needs to get back on track after 2 losses before the pack catches them)
Manchester (two teams on 3 game losing streaks)
Anderson
MSJ
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 09:23:28 am
The race for playoff spots is going to be very interesting the last 5 games of the regular season. Standing as of this morning.

Transylvania  13-0
Hanover  12-1
Franklin  7-6
Defiance  6-7 
Bluffton  5-8
Manchester  5-8
Mount St. Joseph 5-8
Anderson  4-9
Earlham  4-9
Rose-Hulman  4-9

Hanover is still in the hunt for the league title with a huge showdown at home with Transylvania on 2/19.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2020, 12:50:39 pm
Franklin on a 3 game skid has fallen back to the clutches of the pack... but 2 of those 3 were to Transy and Hanover. Hopefully they can regain their form against the bottom half of the conference. 2 more wins should see them safely into the conference tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 01:03:03 pm
They still have to play the games and anything can happen, but the schedule does appear to favorite Franklin to hold on to the 3 seed. Unlike RHIT's uphill battle, who still has road games at Transylvania, Hanover and Franklin in their final five.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 06, 2020, 01:09:52 pm
Baldini 4-1     45-17
Jester 3-2      42-20
FCGG 2-3       39-23
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Rose-Hulman (4-9) @ Transylvania (13-0) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (5-8) @ Anderson (4-9) 2:00 PM
Hanover (12-1) @ Earlham (4-9) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-7) @ Mount St. Joseph (5-8) 4:00 PM
Manchester (5-8) @ Franklin (7-6) 4:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 01:16:20 pm
Rose-Hulman (4-9) @ Transylvania (13-0) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (5-8) @ Anderson (4-9) 2:00 PM
Hanover (12-1) @ Earlham (4-9) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-7) @ Mount St. Joseph (5-8) 4:00 PM
Manchester (5-8) @ Franklin (7-6) 4:00 PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 06, 2020, 02:24:35 pm
Transy
anderson
hanover
defiance
franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 06, 2020, 04:28:43 pm
Are you going to the game Saturday Jester?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 07, 2020, 01:02:10 pm
Nope i will be home im not sure if i will be at a game the rest of the year my busy time of year for my company if i go probably a Saturday game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2020, 09:51:27 pm
With six teams making the conference playoffs and Transylvania and Hanover already having the top 2 seeds and first round byes wrapped up, the other 4 spots will be interesting to watch playout. This is a list of each teams remaining games.

Transylvania  13-0  (Rose-Holman, Mount St. Joseph, @Manchester, @Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  12-1  (@Earlham, @Anderson, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Rose-Holman)

Franklin  7-6   (Manchester, Rose-Holman, Anderson, @Mount St. Joseph, Defiance)
Defiance  6-7   (@Mount St. Joseph, @Earlham, Rose-Holman, @Bluffton, @Franklin)
Bluffton  5-8   (@Anderson, Manchester, Hanover, Defiance, @Transylvania)
Manchester  5-8   (@Franklin, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Anderson, Earlham)
Mount St. Joseph 5-8  (Defiance, @Transylvania, @Earlham, Franklin, @Anderson)
Anderson  4-9  (Bluffton, Hanover, @Franklin, @Manchester, Mount St. Joseph)
Earlham  4-9   (Hanover, Defiance, Mount St. Joseph, @Rose-Holman, @Manchester)
Rose-Holman  4-9  ( @Transylvania, @Franklin, @Defiance, Earlham, @Hanover)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 07, 2020, 10:11:55 pm
Donít know how my kid is doing it.  Her hip is really hurting her  I just got a text from assistant coach on their way to transy

I think it hurts to move she grimaced a lot yesterday.
I think it's painful for her to push off that side. Tough to do certain things.
She's soldiering on. haven't heard a single complaint from her though

For a coach to send that speaks to the kids character.  After every game they have to adjust her hip. One of her legs gets 1 to 2 inches longer  and they adjust it back

We talked she feels she can play through it she played 38 minutes last game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 12:04:30 am
Donít know how my kid is doing it.  Her hip is really hurting her  I just got a text from assistant coach on their way to tranny

I think it hurts to move she grimaced a lot yesterday.
I think it's painful for her to push off that side. Tough to do certain things.
She's soldiering on. haven't heard a single complaint from her though

For a coach to send that speaks to the kids character.  After every game they have to adjust her hip. One of her legs gets 1 to 2 inches longer  and they adjust it back

We talked she feels she can play through it she played 38 minutes last game

Sounds like a kid with a lot of heart.  The female equivalent of Jordan Zimmer.  Jordan was badly hobbled in the game in Holland (first round, 2012 national tourney), an injury for which he had surgery after the season.  I was sitting behind his grandfather, who said in no uncertain terms that there was no chance he would be able to play in the second round (against #1 ranked Hope).  He not only played, he single-handedly WILLED them to victory in the second overtime of probably the best game I have ever seen firsthand - 28 points, 10 of them in the 2nd OT)!

Your daughter is a WARRIOR.  I hope she can have an experience like Jordan Zimmer did! ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 08, 2020, 10:44:05 am
Transy, Anderson, Hanover, MSJ, Franklin
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 08, 2020, 06:47:11 pm
wow they almost had the upset of the season tied game with 7 minutes to go  and transy said no its not going to happen.   I felt the team got away from playing team ball a little bit to many black holes once they got the ball alot of open players for kicks on drives and for  posts.   They are night and day better against the press if they handled the press now they would have won a couple more games.  They were destroyed on the boards for the first time this year and was the difference maker.  The kid had 7 and we didnt have anyone above 5.

A note to Engine.  They have asked the girls who plan on coming back next year. I dont want to speak on other players but i know my kid was honest. it really depends on next quarter. she knows she can handle the school academically but she is still not sure if this is what she wants for a career.  She is doing chem labs and feels this will give her a feeling on what she would like. She did tell them that if she does stay she will keep playing which makes me extremely happy I had some doubts with just the grind physically and mentally she has taken.  They asked her what she would do if she left and she would go to Gustavus to be a pre natal nurse. Were  a long way from there. My hope is she finds the happiness she is looking for in being an engineer and staying at Rose  I feel it has helped her grow intellectually as person but i  am comforted knowing how Gustavus feels about her both for the classroom and basketball.

I know there are other players on the bubble as well for different reasons. My hope is they all come back but if i had to guess i think you could see a couple players leave.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2020, 10:17:06 am
Baldini 5-0     50-17
Jester 4-1      46-21
FCGG 5-0       44-23
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Mount St. Joseph (6-8) @ Transylvania (14-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (6-8) @ Earlham (4-10) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-10) @ Franklin (8-6) 7:30 PM
Manchester (5-9) @ Bluffton (5-9) 7:30 PM
Hanover (13-1) @ Anderson (5-9) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 10, 2020, 10:43:43 am
All games against Transy and Hanover are in red and crossed out because while some have come close, no one has beaten either of them so far. Games the first meeting were double digit losses are red, double digit wins are blue, single digit games black.

Transylvania  14-0  (Mount St. Joseph, @Manchester, @Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  13-1  (@Anderson, @Bluffton, Transylvania, Rose-Hulman)

Franklin  8-6   (Rose-Hulman (W17), Anderson (W6), @Mount St. Joseph (L6), Defiance (W13))

Defiance  6-8   (@Earlham (W6), Rose-Hulman (W10), @Bluffton (W5), @Franklin (L13))
Mount St. Joseph 6-8  (@Transylvania (L22), @Earlham (L3), Franklin (W6), @Anderson (W4))
Anderson  5-9  (Hanover (L2), @Franklin (L6), @Manchester (L7), Mount St. Joseph (L4))
Bluffton  5-9   (Manchester (L4), Hanover (L9), Defiance (L5), @Transylvania (L20))
Manchester  5-9   (@Bluffton (W4), Transylvania (L26), Anderson (W7), Earlham (L27))
Earlham  4-10   (Defiance (L6), Mount St. Joseph (W3), @Rose-Hulman (W15), @Manchester (W27))
Rose-Hulman  4-10  (@Franklin (L17), @Defiance (L10), Earlham (L15), @Hanover (L19))

If results went the way the first meetings did (which obviously won't happen), Transy, Hanover, Franklin would be the top 3 joined by Defiance (9-9), MSJ (8-10) and Earlham (7-11). Rounding things out would be Manchester (7-11), Anderson (5-13), Bluffton (5-13), Rose (4-14).
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 10, 2020, 08:41:24 pm
Mount St. Joseph (6-8) @ Transylvania (14-0) 7:00 PM
Defiance (6-8) @ Earlham (4-10) 7:30 PM
Rose-Hulman (4-10) @ Franklin (8-6) 7:30 PM
Manchester (5-9) @ Bluffton (5-9) 7:30 PM
Hanover (13-1) @ Anderson (5-9) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 10, 2020, 10:31:00 pm
i think there might be the upset of the conference this week
transy
defiance
going with  upset. rose has played better on the road the road then at home.  they had their worst quarter of the year vs franklin otherwise they held their own . that quarter wont repeat  Pick rose
manchester
hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 12, 2020, 12:52:45 pm
Transy
Earlham
Franklin
Bluffton
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:33:13 pm
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2020, 09:32:47 pm
well so much for the upset  4team assists and got pounded on offensive boards. tournament hopes pretty much done with how other teams did tonight.

Kid played well 8 and 7   dont think she gave up a basket.  her player scored on a switch once
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 12, 2020, 09:53:21 pm
Anderson almost got the upset, but Hanover comes back in the final minutes to get the victory. Good overall effort by Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2020, 07:51:39 am
Baldini 4-1     54-18
FCGG 5-0       49-23
Jester 2-3      48-24
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Rose-Hulman (4-11) @ Defiance (6-9) 1:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph (6-9) @ Earlham (5-10) 1:00 PM
Anderson (5-10) @ Franklin (9-6) 1:00 PM
Transylvania (15-0) @ Manchester (5-10) 3:00 PM
Hanover (14-1) @ Bluffton (6-9) 3:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2020, 08:02:55 am
Franklin is now locked into the tournament and just about locked into the 3 seed.
Doesn't look good for Rose. They have to win out to have any shot and that includes at Hanover to finish the season. Best chance to upset there is if Transy beats Hanover the game before and locks them into the 2 seed and maybe they take it easy heading into the tournament.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 13, 2020, 12:34:11 pm
Rose-Hulman (4-11) @ Defiance (6-9) 1:00 PM
Mount St. Joseph (6-9) @ Earlham (5-10) 1:00 PM
Anderson (5-10) @ Franklin (9-6) 1:00 PM
Transylvania (15-0) @ Manchester (5-10) 3:00 PM
Hanover (14-1) @ Bluffton (6-9) 3:00 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 13, 2020, 09:22:40 pm
Rose
St joe
Franklin
Transy
Hanover
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 14, 2020, 08:28:02 am
Three games left and top six make the conference tournament.

Transylvania  15-0
Hanover  14-1
Franklin  9-6
Defiance  6-9 
Bluffton  6-9
Mount St. Joseph 6-9
Anderson  5-10
Manchester 5-10
Earlham  5-10
Rose-Hulman  4-11
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2020, 10:58:31 am
Defiance
Earlham
Franklin
Transy
Hanover (Bluffton capable of the upset if Hanover is looking ahead)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 02:43:58 pm
Rose wins to keep their tournament hope alive. They'll be just 1 game out of 6th.
Earlham leading MSJ which would guarantee 5th place would be at 6-10
Franklin in a fight with Anderson tied with a couple minutes left
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 02:51:10 pm
If the top two take care of business then we'll have 7 teams within a game of each other for 3 spots.

Transylvania  15-0 (@ Manchester)
Hanover  14-1 (@ Bluffton)

Franklin  10-6

Bluffton  6-9 (vs Hanover)
Defiance  6-10 
Earlham  6-10
Mount St. Joseph 6-10
Manchester 5-10 (vs Transy)
Anderson  5-11
Rose-Hulman  5-11
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 15, 2020, 04:31:36 pm
ok who is the tie breaker specialist.    what does Rose need to happen Wednesday besides winning at home. They have swept Anderson. Split with Bluffton and defiance and Manchester.

if they win will have split with earlham.   Been swept by mt st joe
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 05:39:39 pm
Quote
b. When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.  These tiebreakers are only for seeding purposes and will not affect the standings or the awarding of all-sports points.
i. Head to head competition.   
ii. Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
iii. In-league road record
iv. Win-loss record versus common Division III opponents
v. If these four steps do not break the tie then a coin toss             
Tie Breaker Notes:   1) If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first. 2) If there are multiple ties for a position the conference tie breaker process will be used stated below:
 
ďWhen there are a cluster of teams tied (3 or more), the selection/seeding process will first attempt to separate the tie by using head to head comparisons of the total number of wins and loses among those teams in the tie to emerge (produce a top team) from that cluster of teams.  Once a team emerges from the initial tie the process will be repeated starting with head to head comparisons in order to resolve all remaining seeds.  (Example:  Three teams tied.  Within the cluster the records reflect head to head results as follows:  Team A 3-1; Team B 2-2; Team C 1-3.  Team A would emerge and receive the top seed and the process of comparing head to head records would begin with the remaining ties.  When two teams are tied or multiple ties cannot be broken using the aforementioned process the criteria from the specific sports guidelines would be applied and followed to emerge a team.  Again, once a team emerges the process would be repeated from the start each time a team emerges until all seeds are resolved.Ē



Transylvania  16-0  (@Hanover, Bluffton)
Hanover  15-1  (Transylvania, Rose-Hulman)

Franklin  10-6   (@Mount St. Joseph (L6), Defiance (W13))

Bluffton  6-10   (Defiance (L5), @Transylvania (L20))
Defiance  6-10   (@Bluffton (W5), @Franklin (L13))
Earlham  6-10   (@Rose-Hulman (W15), @Manchester (W27))
Mount St. Joseph 6-10  (Franklin (W6), @Anderson (W4))
Anderson  5-11  (@Manchester (L7), Mount St. Joseph (L4))
Manchester  5-11   (Anderson (W7), Earlham (L27))
Rose-Hulman  5-11  (Earlham (L15), @Hanover (L19))

Bolded games are between the bottom 7.

Just looking ahead to possibilities...
Rose still has to win out to have any shot and winning at Hanover to end the season is not going to be easy.
I believe a minimum of 2 teams will get to 7 wins regardless of outcomes (Bluffton/Defiance winner plus Anderson/Manchester winner vs their final opponent) so the 6th seed will either be a very lucky 6-12 team or be at least 7-11.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 15, 2020, 06:05:56 pm
Great job FCGG. I think that you nailed it with what it takes to make the playoffs, spots 4,5 and 6 probably will all be 7-11. If someone gets in at 6-12, I will be very surprised and they will be 'very lucky' as you had stated. 

Rose-Hulman should probably be a Transylvania fan when they travel to Hanover. If Hanover loses that game, the RHIT game becomes fairly meaningless for Hanover.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 06:58:39 pm
They need Franklin to keep playing too as they're locked into the 3 seed and so have two meaningless games against teams fighting for playoff spots.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 07:06:50 pm
Here's the scenario I'm rooting for...
Rose beats Earlham and Hanover
Earlham beats Manchester
Anderson beats Manchester and MSJ
MSJ beats Franklin
Loser of Bluffton/Defiance wins last game, winner loses last game

That would create a 6 way tie for 4th at 7-11. Let the chaos begin ;D
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2020, 08:39:17 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/25pxBL2.png)
https://i.imgur.com/25pxBL2.png

This is the win totals for the bottom 7 depending on how the remaining games go. Transy-Hanover doesn't matter, assuming Rose beats Earlham (to keep RHIT with a chance), Transy beats Bluffton and Hanover beats Rose. I had to make a few assumptions or there's be hundreds of possibilities to go through.
The top half of the picture gives the different scenarios, the bottom gives the win totals based on that scenario. If the win total is black the team would be in, red and they're eliminated, grey means they could be in or out based on tiebreakers.

Based on that, 16 of 64 scenarios would have RHIT in a tiebreaker at 6-12. Here's how many of those 16 are available depending on each game.
Defiance 10 vs Bluffton 6
Franklin 12 vs MSJ 4
Anderson 9 vs Manchester 7
MSJ 7 vs Anderson 9
Defiance 5 vs Franklin 11
Earlham 3 vs Manchester 13

And because I know you'll want to know, here's the same except Rose upsets Hanover
(https://i.imgur.com/3g5hAdS.png)
https://i.imgur.com/3g5hAdS.png
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 15, 2020, 10:08:46 pm
All i can say is wow . i just became a closet Franklin fan
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2020, 02:26:07 pm
Great work FCGG. It looks like the Bluffton-Defiance winner will have a inside track to a playoff spot.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 16, 2020, 06:09:48 pm
Bluffton will win   definace has gotten worse as the season has gone on they didnt show much at home against rose saturday and our offense was not very good
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2020, 06:57:57 pm
Bluffton seems to play much better at home this season verses on the road, 9-3 at home overall and 5-2 in conference play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 17, 2020, 06:52:20 am
Bluffton will win   definace has gotten worse as the season has gone on they didnt show much at home against rose saturday and our offense was not very good

Defiance is always tough at home and well-coached. RHIT struggled at Defiance last year as well. Defiance is also missing #24 Lake (their best player) and Carruthers (an on-and-off starter over her four years but a big contributor), so picking Bluffton at home isn't a tough call. Neither played against RHIT.

Frustrating couple of years for an Engineer fan. They should have been better last season but lost the PG Brooks (which IMHO was the nail in the coffin this season as well), and a great post player and even better wing before practice started in October - then they lose the wing from Chicago before October THIS season...

They've had have some enormous bad luck down there and I know they always recruit well - hope they can keep this group together and add some good depth on the perimeter and a true PG - if they do, this season should be a one-off.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 17, 2020, 10:36:36 am
Eng  your absolutely correct they need a point guard. This is me talking not my kid.   I expected for the time in her playing she would just be able to guard one of the top plavers but finally could just concentrate on scoring and not bring the ball up. That hasnt been the case,  In the first few games she was not involved with the press break and it was a disaster.  To her credit and to her teammates they have greatly improved against the press even though they still dont attack a press to make them pay they are just happy to beat it.

I know they have asked all the girls if they are coming back.  I dont think all of them are. Mostly due to the academics.  I know my kid is happy with the school but she has doubts if being an engineer is what she wants to do for a living . This next quarter will be huge in figuring it out.  I do know she is a broken down young lady who has been playing on one hip for over  the last month.

I wasn't sure if she wanted to continue playing. She has always loved basketball but she told me along time ago. Daddy I love basketball but its not who I am it just part of me.  With that said she has decided to keep playing either at Rose which I think she will end up staying at or if she comes home to become a pre natal nurse she will play at Gustavus.  She was honest with her coaches and they were great to her. They let her know how important she is and  with her being health and with experience they see her scoring 14pts or more a game.  They know there are things she cant do physically right now with her hip.

i hope they all decide to come back. I have heard they have 4 recruits for sure and maybe 2 to 4 more.  They need a ball handler that sees the floor and gets the ball out of their hands.  In the games agianst Transy you see them play and you wonder how the hell did you lose some of the games you played.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 17, 2020, 04:00:31 pm
Baldini 4-1     58-19
FCGG 4-1       53-24
Jester 4-1      52-25
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Wednesday
Defiance (6-10) @ Bluffton (6-10) 6:00 PM
Transylvania (16-0) @ Hanover (15-1) 7:00 PM
Earlham (6-10) @ Rose-Hulman (5-11) 7:30 PM
Franklin (10-6) @ Mount St. Joseph (6-10) 7:30 PM
Anderson (5-11) @ Manchester (5-11) 7:30 PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 17, 2020, 05:46:11 pm
bluffton
transy
rose
franklin
anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 17, 2020, 06:33:08 pm
Defiance (6-10) @ Bluffton (6-10) 6:00 PM
Transylvania (16-0) @ Hanover (15-1) 7:00 PM
Earlham (6-10) @ Rose-Hulman (5-11) 7:30 PM
Franklin (10-6) @ Mount St. Joseph (6-10) 7:30 PM
Anderson (5-11) @ Manchester (5-11) 7:30 PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2020, 01:30:59 pm
Bluffton
Transy
Earlham
Franklin
Anderson

After tonight's games I'll work on figuring out the tiebreaker scenarios for Saturday.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:06:58 pm
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 19, 2020, 10:23:11 pm
Great win by the girls.   If anyone ever doubted the toughness of the kid. Watch the blow to her head she takes and to come out in second half to clam ting a down and get the defense back on track Iím beyond proud.  My best to the other player she looked like a tko fighter in the cage I hope she will be alright.  The kid said she has never been hit like that
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 19, 2020, 10:29:54 pm
5 teams sit at 6-11 and tied for 5th place... working on figuring out all the tiebreakers right now. For Rose I can tell you it's pretty much have to beat Hanover to have a chance though.

Boy this is complicated. Who gets in can be determined by a game not involving the teams... If MSJ beats Anderson, Transy over Bluffton, Defiance over Franklin, Earlham over Manchester... then either MSJ or Defiance gets in based on whether Rose beats Hanover or not.
The one thing I know for certain... Manchester has been eliminated. Only 4 of 32 scenarios they get in a tiebreaker and they don't make it in any.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2020, 11:37:38 pm
What's the tiebreaker for Transy and Hanover if both win?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2020, 12:38:36 am
What's the tiebreaker for Transy and Hanover if both win?
Quote
b. When ties in the final regular season standings occur the following steps will be used to break these ties.  These tiebreakers are only for seeding purposes and will not affect the standings or the awarding of all-sports points.
i. Head to head competition.   
ii. Competition against rank/order of regular season standings
iii. In-league road record
iv. Win-loss record versus common Division III opponents
v. If these four steps do not break the tie then a coin toss             
Tie Breaker Notes:   1) If the final standings have more than one tie then lower ties are resolved first. 2) If there are multiple ties for a position the conference tie breaker process will be used stated below:
 
ďWhen there are a cluster of teams tied (3 or more), the selection/seeding process will first attempt to separate the tie by using head to head comparisons of the total number of wins and loses among those teams in the tie to emerge (produce a top team) from that cluster of teams.  Once a team emerges from the initial tie the process will be repeated starting with head to head comparisons in order to resolve all remaining seeds.  (Example:  Three teams tied.  Within the cluster the records reflect head to head results as follows:  Team A 3-1; Team B 2-2; Team C 1-3.  Team A would emerge and receive the top seed and the process of comparing head to head records would begin with the remaining ties.  When two teams are tied or multiple ties cannot be broken using the aforementioned process the criteria from the specific sports guidelines would be applied and followed to emerge a team.  Again, once a team emerges the process would be repeated from the start each time a team emerges until all seeds are resolved.Ē

Looks to me like Transy still has it. 1-1 H2H, 2-0 against everyone else in conference, 8-1 road record in conference, Common opponent of Spalding which Transy beat and Hanover lost.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 20, 2020, 01:36:30 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Uj4o4g3.png)
https://i.imgur.com/Uj4o4g3.png

Consider this as an unofficial guide. I think I did all the tiebreakers right but it's possible I messed up somewhere.

Here's a synopsis for each team and how many of the 32 possible combinations get them in. Anderson-MSJ winner likely in and Bluffton likely in

Bluffton (30): win OR a win by either Franklin, Hanover, or MSJ
Anderson (15): win AND a win by either Earlham, Franklin, Hanover, or Transy
MSJ (14): win AND win by either Franklin, Manchester, or Rose
RHIT (14): win AND Anderson win; OR win AND Defiance, Manchester, MSJ all win; OR MSJ, Franklin, Manchester all win
Earlham (12): win AND MSJ win; OR Anderson, Franklin, Hanover all win
Defiance (11): win AND Hanover, MSJ win; OR win AND Anderson win AND either Hanover, Manchester or Transy win
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 20, 2020, 11:40:22 am
Excellent. Thanks
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 20, 2020, 09:26:33 pm
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 20, 2020, 10:48:24 pm
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .505 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 03:06:41 am
Baldini 3-2     61-21
FCGG 3-2       56-26
Jester 4-1      56-26
Enginerd 0-0   8-7

Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 03:24:41 am
Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?
HCAC rep on the Regional Advisory Committee (RAC) is Transy's coach which means she must recuse herself when the Pioneers are being discussed. Great Lakes rep on the national committee is DePauw's coach.

GREAT LAKES REGION
Kristin Huffman, chair DePauw North Coast
Amy Senefelder Hilbert Allegheny Mountain CC
Melissa Makielski St. Maryís (Indiana) Michigan Intercol.
Juli Fulks Transylvania Heartland Collegiate
Sara Lee Denison North Coast
Michelle Durand Ohio Northern OAC
Sam Jones Waynesburg Presidentsí AC
Jennifer Reimer Case Western UAA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2020, 04:58:23 am
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .505 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?

Transylvania is 4th in the last regional rankings.

I don't agree with the general view that is bouncing around these boards about Transylvania and their non-conference schedule. It was not a who's who of D3 women's top 25, but there were no cupcakes either. Yes their SOS comes in low, but the non-conference schedule was a good test game after game.

Spalding 14-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
@ Berea 22-3, 1st in the USAC
@ Wittenberg 18-6, 2nd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 19-7, 3rd in the USAC
Redlands 18-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 18-6, 2nd in the MWC (@ Santa-Cruz)
@ UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2020, 05:04:01 am
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 21, 2020, 07:48:36 am
Does Transylvania's lose to Hanover put in doubt their chances of hosting the first weekend on the NCAA tournament?

As long as DePauw and Hope make it to the conference championship games, or in Hope's case its conference semi's, it's unlikely Transy will host. Their .500 SOS is virtually unheard-of for a 3rd-ranked team in the Great Lakes region (and they'll only be ranked third until next week's new regional rankings - they could realistically fall to 5th) - although that number SHOULD come up a bit after playing Hanover. The ONLY thing Transy has going for it at this point is geography. The NCAA probably loves their location being able to send teams from as far south as Atlanta and as far north as PA.  After being the last team in several years ago you'd think Transy would have taken steps to enhance their SOS through a strenuous non-conference slate, but they have virtually the same kind of schedule they had five years ago. RHIT got absolutely robbed in 2016 and again last year with higher SOS, and in the case of 2016, with only one more regular season loss. Hard to compare the different seasons, though.
Transy deserved to host last year, after defeating Emory and a very good Trine team in Lexington - but their non-conference slate is pretty mediocre this year, to be frank.  In fact, RHIT finished 23-4 in 2015-15 with an SOS around .515 and a record vs. RRO's of 1-1 (split with Bluffton), and only got laughed at. I personally think Transy will destroy Hanover in the HCAC tournament, especially in Lexington, and if they do could expect to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game at someplace like Hope or Oglethorpe. If they were to lose again, with that low SOS, it could get dicey depending on the AQ's in other conferences, seriously. I have not looked at their schedule at all, have they EVEN PLAYED a regionally-ranked opponent this season? If not, that could be a serious problem for them when the committee meets. Anyone know who the HCAC's rep is on the Great Lakes Committee for the NCAA Tournament?

Transylvania is 4th in the last regional rankings.

I don't agree with the general view that is bouncing around these boards about Transylvania and their non-conference schedule. It was not a who's who of D3 women's top 25, but there were no cupcakes either. Yes their SOS comes in low, but the non-conference schedule was a good test game after game.

Spalding 14-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
@ Berea 22-3, 1st in the USAC
@ Wittenberg 18-6, 2nd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 19-7, 3rd in the USAC
Redlands 18-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 18-6, 2nd in the MWC (@ Santa-Cruz)
@ UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA


The problem isn't what is being bandied about on the forums. I don't necessarily think Transy played a cupcake schedule but have learned over the years that the regional and national committees value three things above all else - and these have been discussed in great detail across these boards - those being, in no particular order:
 - Won-loss % / record vs. D-III opponents
 - Strength of schedule (some formula that includes opponents win % and opponents-opponents win %) ie the NCAA #
 - Record vs. regionally-ranked opponents
The excuses that were tossed around in 2016 for a 23-4 RHIT team being left out of the NCAA tournament was their .515 NCAA number and the fact that their only win vs. a RRO was Bluffton (1-1).
...and still not sure why RHIT was left out last season after wins over DePauw and Transylvania, and their murderer's row of a schedule that included WashU, Ogelthorpe, Rhodes, Chicago, and the aforementioned Transy and DePauw - not to mention their high NCAA number that placed them right at #100 at the end of the HCAC tournament - Transy sits at #217 with a .507 NCAA # - with one game remaining vs. 13-12 Bluffton - and ZERO games vs. RRO's, to say nothing of wins. In fact, Transy is one of ONLY SIX teams in the entire Great Lakes Region, and one of only 50 teams out of the 443 women's basketball programs that comprise Division III, without so much as a single game vs. a RRO. The three OAC schools that are RR'd will only see their NCAA # go up and Transy's will likely go down after the Bluffton game and the HCAC semi's.

I'll always pull for any HCAC team in the NCAA Tournament, as I'm sure anyone else here would, but based on recent history of HCAC Champions at the NCAA tournament "table", Transy could ill-afford another loss. If they make it to the conference title game and win, they are probably going to get a winnable #2 vs. #3 game somewhere relatively nearby travel-wise. If they get upset in the semi's, they are out without a prayer of an at-large bid. If they make it to the title game and lose, it will be an uncomfortable wait "at the table", depending upon what happens elsewhere in other regions and who's at the table.

I hope Transy gets in the NCAA Tournament, I really do, and I was a huge fan of theirs in March last year - but If Transy loses in the HCAC title game, and then gets an at-large without any games (to say nothing of wins) vs. RRO's, combined with their their really low NCAA #, there will be squawking like no one has ever heard, from teams with comparable records that DO have games against RRO's, teams with more losses but multiple games vs. RRO's AND higher NCAA #'s - and virtually every team over the last decade that had games, and wins, vs. RRO's and higher NCAA #'s, but didn't get in. A lot of people are going to want to know what's so special about this particular Transy team (looking at ALL the data), and why the committee defied precedence to give them a spot in the tournament.

Based on what has transpired in previous years, and if the committees remain consistent, there is now no chance Transy will host a first-weekend NCAA pod - and probably would be the very last team in the field if they don't win the AQ.

The mid-to-bottom teams in the HCAC really drag the top teams down, from an NCAA # perspective. Look at what happened to RHIT the past four years - playing in the Midwest Classic, Chicago, UT-Dallas, Hope, WashU, DePauw, IL. Wesleyan, Oglethorpe, Rhodes...etc. I mean, they played SIX NCAA Tournament teams last year and finished 20-7, and didn't even come close - while a WIAC, MIAC, OAC, or CCIW squad with the same resume would have been a mortal lock. RHIT could easily put their non-conference opponents each year up against ANYONE in the country, yet by mid-Feb their NCAA # is always back down under .525.

Any HCAC team that wants to be prominent nationally year-in-and-out, needs their conference-mates to start scheduling better opponents, or step outside the cozy confines of their home arenas and start taking on all comers, and probably both.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 21, 2020, 03:21:33 pm
Well not very good news.  Kahlan is out for the rest of the season with a concussion so will not be at Hanover tomorrow.  Rose will  be going into the game with 7 players.  Really tough on her to have played through the hip issue all year.  She was playing terrific against earlham. Making passes that made the crowd go oooh.  Just bad luck with the 2 players hitting heads.  Somehow she willed herself through the 2nd half to help the team but she started feeling worse so itís time to worry about her and pull the plug for now.  If the girls can get the huge upset she can be re-evaluated

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2020, 04:18:47 pm
Those are generally teams with decent W-L numbers, so good for OWP, but none of them plays in a strong conference, so their OOWP really suffers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2020, 06:37:57 pm
Well not very good news.  Kahlan is out for the rest of the season with a concussion so will not be at Hanover tomorrow.  Rose will  be going into the game with 7 players.  Really tough on her to have played through the hip issue all year.  She was playing terrific against earlham. Making passes that made the crowd go oooh.  Just bad luck with the 2 players hitting heads.  Somehow she willed herself through the 2nd half to help the team but she started feeling worse so itís time to worry about her and pull the plug for now.  If the girls can get the huge upset she can be re-evaluated
That sucks. Never want to have to sit when there's still something at stake but also don't want to make things worse for the future.
Considering where Rose was a month ago, the fact that they still have a meaningful game in the finale is an achievement. They were 1-8 first time through the conference and 2-14 overall, they're 5-3 in the rematches.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 21, 2020, 07:26:52 pm
I think Transy will destroy the field at the HCAC Tournament - so any discussion about whether they deserve an at-large bid is moot. They'll likely get a winnable 1st round game, too. Will be interesting to see where they get sent. My way-too-early prognostication is Oglethorpe - and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed another Sweet 16 appearance - depending on the match-ups with the other two teams in that pod.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 08:20:35 am
Saturday
Mount St. Joseph (6-11) @ Anderson (6-11) 1:00 PM
Bluffton (7-10) @ Transylvania (16-1) 2:00 PM
Defiance (6-11) @ Franklin (11-6) 2:00 PM
Earlham (6-11) @ Manchester (5-12) 2:00 PM
Rose-Hulman (6-11) @ Hanover (16-1) 3:00PM
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 22, 2020, 09:50:34 am
Lol weíre going all upsets

Really make it screwed up
Bluffton
Defiance
Rose
Mt st joe
Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:14:30 pm
Anderson leads by 3 headed to the 4th. As far as Rose is concerned, if Anderson wins then Rose is in with a win and out with a loss.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:37:27 pm
Anderson wins 53-49 and eliminates MSJ.
Rose fate in solely in their hands now. No need to scoreboard watch.

Transy cruising over Bluffton in the 2nd
Earlham almost doubling up Manchester late in the 2nd.
Defiance-Franklin tied

Anderson: 15/16 scenarios they're in
Bluffton: 14/16
RHIT: 8/16
Defiance: 7/16
Earlham: 4/16
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 02:51:24 pm
Some runs at the end of the half for Bluffton and Manchester.
Transy 37-31 on Bluffton at half
Earlham 35-26 on Manchester at half
Franklin 33-31 on Defiance 1 1/2 minutes left in 2nd

Clinch scenarios
Anderson (15): Transy win OR Franklin win OR Earlham win OR Hanover win
Bluffton (14): Bluffton win OR Franklin win OR Hanover win
RHIT (8): Rose win
Defiance (7): win AND (Manchester OR Hanover win)
Earlham (4): Franklin win AND Hanover win
Earlham has no say in their fate... doesn't matter if they win or lose. :o
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 03:27:47 pm
Transy up 12 with 6 minutes left
Earlham up 9 with 4 1/2 minutes left
Franklin up 12 late 3rd.

If those scores hold it would be Rose, Anderson, Bluffton if RHIT wins or Anderson, Bluffton, Earlham if Hanover wins.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 03:50:13 pm
Transylvania wins 70-56 and takes the 1 seed
Manchester finished on a 16-3 run to force OT against Earlham
Franklin pulling away from Defiance 74-48 midway through 4th.

Looks like Anderson and Bluffton will be in, and either Rose or Earlham will join them depending on the RHIT-Hanover game which Hanover leads 33-25 at halftime
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 05:19:39 pm
Hanover wins 71-52.

It's official (not just my thought but HCAC twitter):
#1 Transylvania
#2 Hanover

#3 Franklin vs #6 Earlham
#4 Anderson vs #5 Bluffton

First round Tuesday at Franklin and Anderson.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2020, 07:42:52 pm
Interesting how similar the mens and womens seedings are. Same #1, 2 and 3 flipped, 4 and 5 flipped.

Seed    Women      Men
 1)    Transy     Transy
 2)    Hanover    Franklin
 3)    Franklin   Hanover
 4)    Anderson   Bluffton
 5)    Bluffton   Anderson
 6)    Earlham    RHIT
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 25, 2020, 05:47:43 pm
2 games this evening, Bluffton @ Anderson and Earlham @ Franklin.

I will take Franklin to handle their business at home, but the other game should be a complete tossup type game. I ended up landing on Anderson only because they are the home team, Bluffton seems to be very good at home and not so good on the road. I will probably watch most of this one tonight.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 07:19:48 pm
Here's the coaches preseason poll compared to how they did...
1. Transylvania University (8) 90                     (T1st 17-1)
2. Hanover College (1) 88                                (T1st 17-1)

3. Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (1) 62  (T7th 6-12)
4. Anderson University 59                                 (T4th 7-11)
5. Franklin College 54                                        (3rd 12-6)
6. Bluffton University 52                                   (T4th 7-11)
7. Defiance College 50                                      (T7th 6-12)

8. Earlham College 39                                       (T4th 7-11)
9. Mount St. Jospeh University 38                     (T7th 6-12)

10. Manchester University 18                            (10th 5-13)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 07:25:04 pm
Final Results
Baldini 4-1     65-22
FCGG 5-0       61-26
Jester 0-5      56-31
Enginerd 0-0   8-7



First round tonight... I'll agree with Baldini and say home teams hold serve.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 25, 2020, 09:21:43 pm
Franklin cruises 63-35 over Earlham and will face Hanover on Friday at Transy. Panthers won by 12 and 6 this year.
Bluffton scored just 1 point in the first 9 1/2 minutes of the 4th but held on to beat Anderson 47-41. They'll face Transylvania. Pioneers won by 20 and 14 this season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:21:13 pm
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 06:11:59 pm
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 08:00:54 pm
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2020, 09:22:47 pm
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:12:07 pm
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 02:03:36 am
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
Quote
The second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 27, 2020, 05:20:03 am
I think Transylvania will bump back ahead of Trine in the final rankings, but I don't have a good feeling about them hosting the first weekend. If they had stayed ahead of Oglethorpe, they may have been the choice to host Berea, William Peace and Oglethorpe. I am now thinking that their is enough teams for Oglethorpe to host.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 06:58:43 am
I think Transylvania will bump back ahead of Trine in the final rankings, but I don't have a good feeling about them hosting the first weekend. If they had stayed ahead of Oglethorpe, they may have been the choice to host Berea, William Peace and Oglethorpe. I am now thinking that their is enough teams for Oglethorpe to host.
We'll have to see how they do this week. Trine lost 2 RRO wins with Albion falling out but gained one with Hanover climbing in while Transy picks up a win and loss with Hanover. Trine still has the edge 2-4 to 1-1. Trine also has a fairly significant edge in SoS .555 vs .509 which will grow further based on the conference tourneys. All the Pioneers have in their favor right now is win percentage. Transy didn't just drop because they lost because Trine lost to #1 Hope as well.
If Transy wins the HCAC and Trine loses to Hope in the finals I'm only 50/50 that they'll flip. A Trine loss to Albion in the semis would be a big help.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on February 27, 2020, 07:40:26 am
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
Quote
The second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2020, 08:26:32 am
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
Quote
The second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
I wasn't saying you didn't put it in a different paragraph, I'm saying when they posted the rankings it should have been. They did the same thing in the 2nd rankings as I quoted. It does make it seem like they're saying the final rankings uses the Feb 19th or Feb 12 rankings to determine RRO but it just refers to that specific ranking using the previous week's ranked teams to determine RRO for that week. Transylvania will have a 1-1 RRO when they make the 4th rankings.
They need to hope Hanover beats Franklin though. If they beat Hanover then they're automatically in, if they lose, at least Hanover should stay in the rankings to keep that 1 RRO win.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 27, 2020, 09:54:22 am
If I had to wager a guess I would say it is very unlikely that Transylvania is selected to host, but geography plays a big part in it at the D3 level and because of their location I still think their is a small chance. The catch to them hosting would be that it would end up being a loaded bracket for them with one of the island powers as a first weekend matchup. Their best chance to advance from the 1st weekend might be a trip to Atlanta.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 29, 2020, 05:33:16 pm
Transy and Hanover complete their domination of the conference. A combined 34-0 this year against the other 8 teams. Early 11:30am tip for the title tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on March 01, 2020, 03:57:09 pm
I think Transy will destroy the field at the HCAC Tournament - so any discussion about whether they deserve an at-large bid is moot. They'll likely get a winnable 1st round game, too. Will be interesting to see where they get sent. My way-too-early prognostication is Oglethorpe - and I wouldn't be surprised if they managed another Sweet 16 appearance - depending on the match-ups with the other two teams in that pod.

Told you so.

 Just remains to be seen where they get sent. I'll bet they go to either DePauw/Baldwin Wallace (whichever winds up #2 in the region) or Oglethorpe. They should get a manageable #2 vs. #3 game if they are sent South - Potential match-ups at Oglethorpe might be Randolph-Macon, Emory, Emory and Henry, William Peace, or even Piedmont if they beat Berea today - Berea might show up at the same pod, but I think the NCAA tries to avoid first-round match-ups of teams that played each other during the regular season. Likely opponents if they stay in the Great Lakes could be IL. Wesleyan, Wheaton, Trine, or one of the OAC schools. Surely they wouldn't be sent to Texas.

There might be too many southeastern/eastern teams for Transy to go to Oglethorpe - in which case they'd almost certainly have to be sent to DePauw/Baldwin Wallace, Hope, or Chicago.

They ought to leap-frog Trine in the final regional standings since they are a conference champion and Trine is not - which usually means a better #2-#3 match-up somewhere. RHIT's tournament title in 2018 meant a winnable pod with Wisc.-Whitewater and Gustavus Adolphus instead of the "pod of death" at IL. Wesleyan with DePauw, the Titans, and a pretty damn good Marietta team, which is where Trine was sent. The committee clearly placed some value on being a conference champion and this might be to Transy's benefit - despite their poor SOS and lack of any meaningful games vs. RRO's.

They'd have a far more manageable draw if they were to be sent to Atlanta - anywhere in the Great Lakes is almost certainly going to be that "pod of death".
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on March 02, 2020, 04:05:12 pm
Congrats to Transy! They again have a very do-able draw and should be pretty thrilled with it. They might still be playing in two weeks.

Having said that - WOW - Transy getting to host is a perfect example of what the two primary driving factors behind how the D3 field is chosen must be - money and convenience - because it is otherwise impossible to defend having a team with an NCAA # barely above .500 and ZERO wins vs. RRO's (if Hanover drops out of the final GL rankings) host an NCAA Tournament pod.

Again, I am happy for Transy, I'm a fan for the next week or longer, but  Good Lord...

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 02, 2020, 05:44:56 pm
Well, I am thrilled to have another weekend of D3 basketball in Lexington. I had convinced myself that they were probably headed to Oglethorpe. Makes me wonder if Oglethorpe did not apply to host? Or was a just geography move by the NCAA? 

Interesting note, Randolph-Macon to Oglethorpe is 540 miles. Randolph-Macon to Transylvania is 495 miles.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 02, 2020, 08:43:28 pm
so they dont take augsburg that is a joke in itself.  then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.   it appears rose played 4 teams that made the tournament im sure thats the most in HCAC

Personal not kid is at home and is feeling better from concussion.  I also have the privilege to now be the Minnesota Recruiter for Rose. So if you know any players looking to be an engineer send  them my way.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 03, 2020, 05:27:32 am
so they dont take augsburg that is a joke in itself.  then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.   it appears rose played 4 teams that made the tournament im sure thats the most in HCAC

Personal not kid is at home and is feeling better from concussion.  I also have the privilege to now be the Minnesota Recruiter for Rose. So if you know any players looking to be an engineer send  them my way.

I have not even looked at the teams that got in late or the teams that were left on the table, but who should of Augsburg gotten in over compared to someone that was selected? 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 03, 2020, 02:24:58 pm
Hanover ended up 8th in the final regional rankings, giving Transylvania a 2-1 against RRO and a SOS at .522. Compared to Oglethorpe with a 1-1 RRO and a SOS at .534.

Very close and more fuel to suggest that geography may have been the deciding factor in Transylvania hosting.   
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2020, 05:37:53 pm
then they take the umac and the miac and make them play in the first round.

Why is this part a problem?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2020, 05:24:00 pm
Transy fell to 5th in the regional rankings and Hanover makes an appearance at 9th.

Transy needs to win the HCAC Tournament.  If they don't, they need to hope that Baldwin Wallace wins the OAC and Ohio Northern and John Carroll both lose early in the OAC Tournament (which IS typically a bloodbath). Having no games vs. RRO's would be a killer with three losses and an anemic NCAA #, with two OAC schools with multiple games vs. RRO's and big NCAA #'s sitting right behind them in the regional rankings.

Here's the problem. Transy is MORE than good enough to be an NCAA Tournament team this year, just like RHIT last year and in 2016. RHIT wanted to ensure it wouldn't happen again, so they went out and added Chicago, became the 4th permanent member of the Midwest Classic, and scheduled anyone that would play them, just to try to overcome the perception of the HCAC being a weak conference and the precipitous drop in the NCAA # after conference play - and THEY STILL got left home last season. I'll guarantee you that RHIT was better than Denison in 2016, better than Baldwin-Wallace last year, and Transy is better than anyone in the OAC THIS year, but, as HCAC schools, they need to play virtually a suicidal non-conference schedule just to get the respect than an OAC school does just by showing up for their conference games.
Let's assume Transy is pool C... that means they lose in the tournament, ideally in the championship to Hanover. Hanover is now a ranked opponent and they'd be 1-2 which is still better than 0-0.

Got this from today's release on the main D3Hoops site - seems to imply that only those teams ranked on the 19th are considered to be RRO's for the purpose of the 4th and final regional ranking? If I'm reading this correctly Transy is 0-0 vs. RRO's, and that ain't changing.

"The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 26. They are the last of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 19 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."
That line should be in a separate paragraph. "This ranking uses the Feb 19..." is referring to the latest rankings using the ranked teams from the Feb 19th rankings. Here's the same paragraph from the previous rankings
Quote
The second public NCAA Division III regional rankings were released on Feb. 19. They are the middle of three sets which we will see before the selections are made and announced on Monday, March 2. There is also one final set of regional rankings, which is released after the tournament bracket is revealed. This ranking uses the Feb. 12 regional rankings to determine which teams qualify as "results vs. regionally ranked opponents."



No - it shouldn't. It was all part of the quote and not my opinion or words.

Guys, much as I'd like to see it happen (because they are really good at home-I think they could have beaten Thomas More at home last year) there is very little chance Transy could possibly host - unless the schools that finish ahead of them haven't put in bids or their men's programs DO put in bids and this year belongs to the men's side for hosting precedence. They aren't leap-frogging DePauw or Hope, or now BW, or likely anyone else at this point, unless Trine loses in a semi-final. Additionally, the NCAA #'s of Ohio Northern and John Carroll will get better playing games in the OAC Tournament. Other than Trine, the only place for them to go in the rankings is down. The absolute best they could do is 4th (5th if Trine upsets Hope), because whomever wins the OAC (unless it's a real dark-horse) will pass Transy. There's no chance they'll finish ahead of Hope, regardless of what happens in the MIAC, and as long as DePauw makes the NCAC finals, the same holds. If Transy wins the HCAC, they will finish behind DePauw, Hope, and whomever wins the OAC, and if Transy finishes 4th or 5th in their region with ZERO games vs. RRO's, there will be some extraordinarily upset folks, and they'll have a legitimate argument, if they are chosen to host.

If they don't win the HCAC, they would be in serious jeopardy of not getting in at all without any games vs. RRO's, which, to my knowledge, have not been factors thus far in the first three rankings, but will be an important criteria for the final one.

I'm telling you, Transy is as good as anyone in the Great Lakes region except Hope - but as I've said, any HCAC team that wants to be treated like other, more prominent programs at the end of the year, really need to go out and schedule some of the better OAC and UAA teams, and not rely on the old venus fly-trap strategy of only getting quality opponents when they'll come play in one of your events (if you think I'm picking on Transy, I'm not, the only quality non-conference team I remember Bluffton playing during their 2015-18 run was when St. Thomas came and played in their event) or accidentally bump into a quality team at someone else's event.

I'll bet they get sent to Ogelthorpe - either as a conference champion in the #2 slot or as an at-large in the #3 spot. It really might make very little difference HOW they get in. If it's Oglethorpe, they REALLY match-up well with them and could very well advance out of the first weekend - they just need to GET to the first weekend.
I wasn't saying you didn't put it in a different paragraph, I'm saying when they posted the rankings it should have been. They did the same thing in the 2nd rankings as I quoted. It does make it seem like they're saying the final rankings uses the Feb 19th or Feb 12 rankings to determine RRO but it just refers to that specific ranking using the previous week's ranked teams to determine RRO for that week. Transylvania will have a 1-1 RRO when they make the 4th rankings.
They need to hope Hanover beats Franklin though. If they beat Hanover then they're automatically in, if they lose, at least Hanover should stay in the rankings to keep that 1 RRO win.

I am not sure if you guys cleared this up for yourself, but to double-check:

The final rankings have vRRO from Week 3 and the end and are the ONLY rankings that do that. Every other ranking does not have more than what was available from the previous week. Week 1 (none; no vRRO data), Week 2 (Week 1 data), Week 3 (Week 2 data).

The RACs and national committee rank on Sunday with vRRO data based on the Week 3 rankings. The national committee makes any adjustments they need to make from the RACs and set the rankings. Then when all games are complete, the vRRO data is tabulated AGAIN with Week 3 and the current rankings combined for that vRRO. The national committee makes any more necessary adjustments that this retabulation may cause and locks in the rankings for selections.

The idea is that (a) a team is not punished when a team slips out of the rankings at the very end due to conference tournaments and (b) a team isn't suddenly rewarded for a team slipping into the rankings due to the conference tournaments. It is a nice compromised from the "once ranked, always ranked" which got out of control quickly and was done away with after one season.

I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 04, 2020, 05:30:03 pm
Transylvania is the only school with 2 Jostens Trophy finalists.

https://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200303sq8np0
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 05, 2020, 09:56:12 pm
2020 All Conference teams (https://www.heartlandconf.org/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200304fznkuq)

Player of the Year Ė Alexis Nall, Hanover College
Defensive Player of the Year Ė Hannah Hawkins, Anderson University
Freshman of the Year Ė Chloe Jansen, Mount St. Joseph University
Coach of the Year Ė John Jones, Hanover College
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 07, 2020, 03:13:26 am
Pioneers fall in the first round to Randolph-Macon 78-68.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 12, 2020, 02:13:56 pm
Rose hulman just shut school down. Online classes to begin on March 23rd
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 17, 2020, 11:21:27 am
3 players named to the All-Region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2019-20/great-lakes-women)

1st team: Alexis Nall - Hanover
2nd team: Shelby Boyle - Transylvania
3rd team: Ashton Woodard - Transylvania

Plus rookie of the year
Chloe Jansen - Mount St Joseph
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 19, 2020, 11:36:06 am
3 players named to the All-Region team (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2019-20/great-lakes-women)

1st team: Alexis Nall - Hanover
2nd team: Shelby Boyle - Transylvania
3rd team: Ashton Woodard - Transylvania

Plus rookie of the year
Chloe Jansen - Mount St Joseph

Nall, Boyle and Woodard were 3 ladies that were a joy to watch over the years. Wishing them continued success in their next careers equal or greater than that of the success on the hardwood. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 04, 2020, 03:53:54 am
Well Engine

Big news for Rose today they signed the 6 footer out of texas who had 5 d1 offers.  She is going to be a 4 and some 3 and she can ball handle like my other favorite 6 footer on the team. I was told she is even more athletic then Nosa which would be saying something.



In smaller news to others maybe but a huge relief to me my kid has decided to return to Rose and wants to be an engineer.

Rose also has signed 3 other players that i dont know much about them.. They are still trying ot sign a point guard or 2.

Interesting note they are trying to recruit a 24 year old from Israel who just finished her military stint for the country but there not sure if she will decide to come. Would make for a interesting dynamic.

Lastly from what i have heard is that all 7 freshman will be coming back.  New schedule is posted with tournaments in North Park and IWU and non confrence with Knox,Berea and St.Mary woods
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 07, 2020, 01:55:38 am
Engine

Here is video of the newest addition to rose  She is Manuella Shomba from Texas. She is more athletic then Nosa and that is saying something. She had several D-1 offers. Her sister is on Rose soccer team

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/texas/hutto/hutto-high-school/manuella-shomba

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on April 09, 2020, 09:22:21 am
I wonder about the accuracy of her listed overall FG% of 28%. Nearly all of her baskets in the highlight videos are layups. If she was primarily a three-point shooter, 28% would be more plausible.
Also you originally referred to her as a six-footer but they list her as 5'9".
We'll learn what's what in November, hopefully.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 09, 2020, 09:52:40 am
i was told she was a six footer but after i posted that i was told by another she is 5'9  and that she is more athletic then Nosa which is saying something. She is a slasher and can go to the hoop on the dribble where nosa is a inside player.  Now they need to get more point guards they are pretty solid across their backline
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Enginerd on April 09, 2020, 11:01:39 am
I wonder about the accuracy of her listed overall FG% of 28%. Nearly all of her baskets in the highlight videos are layups. If she was primarily a three-point shooter, 28% would be more plausible.
Also you originally referred to her as a six-footer but they list her as 5'9".
We'll learn what's what in November, hopefully.

Agreed - all that matters is how these kids adapt to the academics and how they play when they get there. She does look really strong and athletic.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 17, 2020, 05:15:44 pm
Engin

got news today on my kid. Could be good news in the end. In the last part of her senior year she was practicing against boys and had a hard pass thrown to her that bent her non shooting wrist back  and it really hurt she sat a couple of games and saw a doctor who now im not very happy with. They didnt see anything in xrays but gave her a cortisone shot. her wrist still bugged her but she finished the season. Later in the summer it was still hurting and she couldn't do all the lifting exercises.  She got another cortisone shot before she left for college.  I knew it bugged her during the season but i had no idea until just a couple of weeks ago how much it was hurting her worse then before.  We just went to the doctor and this doctor feels she has been playing with a partially torn ligament. When society allows she will get a dye MRI test to see better and  she will get surgery for it needed. 

My daughter knows this that it was disappointing with her scoring average she is way more talented offensively then 4 pts a game  and not showing the offensive player she has the ability to be.  But now knowing this along playing the last half of the season with a dislocated hip  and then finally  the concussion.  Point of this long winded paragraph besides being bored is that if we can get her healthy there is no reason she wont be a double figure scorer and wit the addition of this years class and Rose and Jordan and Nola will all increase their scoring and Nosa will become even more of a stud.  The girl coming in this year the d-1 player will demand the other teams best defender which will make a lesser defender on kahlan and nola and making it harder to double Nosa.  I think they will have a year like the years before last. 

The biggest concern is point guard.  Right now they have one true pg and that is webster but i have heard that she might not be coming back. None of the girls signed this year are points.  If they dont get one that means Kahlan and Nola will have to be pg. kahlan did alot of it during the last part of the year but man she wants to play just one year as a shooter. Every year she thinks she wont have to do point guard duties for the last 4 years and every year she gets sucked back in lol.

Lastly new schedule is up. It looks like he went a little softer in his non conference no Chicago this year.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 12, 2020, 12:52:27 am
Hi Engine this post is for you  but i hope everyone is doing well.   I got a update on recruits for you and i think its pretty good news.  They have signed 6 players and still in the running for a post player from Alabama. The really good news is that they got another player who had D-1 offers but the bigger news maybe for the team is they thought they had missed out  on all the point guards they were recruiting but at the last minute a player decided that she did want to go to Rose.  I heard through grapevine that a top 15 school in the MIAA wanted her.

I dont know all the new player names except these 2 and Peyton Miller who is from California

Here is video of Manuella Shomba who got D-1 offers who is from Texas. www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/texas/hutto/hutto-high-school/manuella-shomba

  The point guard is Mira Randolph from Ohio  only negative maybe is she is 5'4 but Rose is tall across the board www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvB44AQF70
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 16, 2020, 11:16:37 am
Well itís official. Kahlan played the last season with a partially Torn ligament in her non shooting hand.   She is getting surgery day after finals on the 29th   Will be in a cast for 8 weeks and the 4 weeks of rehab  should be ready to go when practice starts.  Really mad at our doctors here in Minnesota who didnít have do a due test but just give her a cortisone shot.  She could have had this done before she left for college and who knows how being healthy would have done for her. 

She is just glad itís been diagnosed she felt people thought she was embellishing and that it was just sore   Kid is damn tough
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 20, 2020, 12:05:12 am
Here is some geek information on the conference on seniors graduated and their loss scoring. This is only taking into account points per game.

Will go by most impact to the school who has it the best and might be in running for a title next year.

Worst  not quite in the same boat as Rose was last year but close is Hanover=Graduated 4 players  46 pts a game they averaged 66 pts as a team

Transylvania=Graduated 2 players  31 pts a game they averaged 72 pts as a team

Earlham=Graduated 5 players  28 pts a game they averaged 57 pts as a team

Manchester=Graduated 3 players  17 pts a game they averaged 57 pts as a team

Franklin=Graduated 3 players  17 pts a game they averaged 68 pts as a team

Anderson=Graduated 2 players  7 pts a game they averaged 55 pts as a team

Defiance=Graduated 2 players  31 pts a game they averaged 55 pts as a team

The team we love Rose=Graduated 1 players  10 pts a game they averaged 48 pts as a team. Rose struggled so mightily in the first half of the season scoring but i dont see with everyone coming back and the addition of another d-1 player how they are not in the 50's or if they all keep improving like they were in the 60's


THE TEAM IN THE CATBIRD SEAT

MOUNT ST JOESPH.  DIDNT  GRADUATE ANYONE.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on May 20, 2020, 09:56:37 am
You missed Bluffton who graduated 2 for 14 ppg

As far as the bad doctor diagnosis... I know the feeling. Had what was ultimately diagnosed as a frozen shoulder, initially doc said it was just a tendon in the rotator cuff and I went through physical therapy and it improved a bit but not a lot. Finally got sent to a specialist who diagnosed it. Had a procedure done in January after a full year of it being messed up. It's definitely better than it was, but there's still some pain and soreness not in the shoulder where it had been bad but around the area which I think is because of trying to compensate for a full year.

Hopefully it all goes well for her and she'll be ready to go next season.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 09, 2020, 01:46:55 pm
Been a hospital filled time for the Grizzlies the past couple weeks. Two have had surgeries (one for hip, not sure for the other) and then a few days ago Carinne Henderson was in a motorcycle accident with serious injuries but is stable now. As of last night she was moving her left leg and arm and right toes. Still on a ventilator.
Get well soon ladies.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 09, 2020, 02:52:30 pm
All the best to those young ladies
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on June 09, 2020, 08:09:21 pm
Been a hospital filled time for the Grizzlies the past couple weeks. Two have had surgeries (one for hip, not sure for the other) and then a few days ago Carinne Henderson was in a motorcycle accident with serious injuries but is stable now. As of last night she was moving her left leg and arm and right toes. Still on a ventilator.
Get well soon ladies.

Just adding here.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/06/08/franklin-college-basketball-player-rin-henderson-fights-her-life/5323899002/
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 15, 2020, 11:19:48 pm
Hi Guys first Franklin I hope the young lady is doing better i havent seen a update on line.

Engine i hope you are doing well havent seen you on here for awhile. I have good news all the freshman are returning from last year which is great news those girls along with the D-1 recruit and the point guard they signed late  along with 4 other recruits who i have been told will help the club if anything at least they will be able to practice 5 on 5.

Everyone is healthy except Kahlan  she did end up playing all of last year with a partially torn ligament in her non shooting wrist she just got wires taken out and her second cast put on last Friday and will be out of that on July 28th and then rehab for 6 weeks and she should be ready to roll come the season. I was giving her crap about if her offense will improve now and she said well it cant get worse.  They are going to pound the ball alot inside  and i have been told the new d-1 recruit is a game changer so with their inside game and with Nola shooting and I am willing to guarantee my daughter will be  a much bigger scorer maybe not as much as she would be on other teams that look to shoot the three but she has always been fine with that. She is excited that maybe this is the year where she wont have to play point but can just bring the ball up on a rebound when their is a fast break they will still need her to help on the press her size allows her to pass over the top.

Some notes on the conference to keep your eye on.  Earlham and MSJ are in great financial troubles and I heard the same for Defiance and lesser extent Hanover.  Hopefully none of the schools will be cancelling their seasons. 


Frankilin I havent seen to many posts on other teams recruits have you heard anything has Hanover or Transy reloaded.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on June 16, 2020, 03:29:17 am
It's been up and down for Rin. She got pneumonia which pushed surgeries back a few days but had one today for her femur and hip. Hip apparently was worse than they thought so they didn't work on her arm which is now scheduled for Wednesday but otherwise sounds like the surgery went well.
Still a long recovery ahead... opened her eyes a few times yesterday. Updates at the FC WBB twitter (https://twitter.com/FCGrizWBall)


If any school was going to have financial troubles I'd have pegged Defiance as the obvious choice, their enrollment has plummeted in recent years to under 600. Earlham is a tricky one because I don't think athletics is particularly important to them.
While the endowments don't really matter too much as far as athletics goes, it's good to look at to see who's in good shape financially and who could be in trouble due to current events.
2018 US News endowments are listed as:
Earlham: $429.2M
RHIT: $213.5M
Transylvania: $174.6M
Hanover: $143.6M
Franklin: $87.6M
Manchester: $62.5M
Mount St Joseph: $39.7M
Anderson: N/A (best I can find is somewhere in the $30M range)
Bluffton: $25.3M
Defiance: $16.2M


Haven't really paid much attention to the incoming freshmen yet. I probably should start taking a look.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on June 16, 2020, 01:05:48 pm
I was told earlHam is signicantly in debt that is why they cancelled their tennis and golf teams

Defiance had only something like 90 commitment s for this year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 16, 2020, 06:46:09 pm
Schools mentioned on are on many of our's watch lists. That said, the next few weeks will determine who will be open likely the next academic year. I think we will hear more closures - though, not sure those in this conference will be of concern. The real time table to watch is the next academic year ... the true impact may be felt as we get closer to the traditional second semester and into that semester on what the futures may be for many schools.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on July 22, 2020, 01:35:00 pm
Engine

Here is the link to the 6 new members of the rose basketball team.  Shomba had d-1 offers and thomas is the real deal. I dont know much about the others. Randolph i heard on her hudl film the ref calling her a monster.  https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/news/2020/7/21/womens-basketball-announces-six-player-recruiting-class-for-2020-21.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on July 22, 2020, 03:52:12 pm
that's a nice group of newcomers, accomplished academically and athletically
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 29, 2020, 04:40:26 pm
For those not keeping track, latest conference news is high contact risk sports in the fall (football, soccer, volleyball) have finally been postponed to spring. Low contact risk (golf, tennis, cross country) are still proceeding (but lots of other conferences have halted all fall sports). Basketball hasn't been decided yet but is in the high contact risk group.
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A decision on the timing of basketball season (defined as high contact risk sport by the NCAA) will be made in the near future. Swimming and diving is classified as a low contact risk sport and will continue forward with its standard schedule.  The sports of indoor and outdoor track and field, men's lacrosse and women's lacrosse have also not been altered at this time.

In other news, conference branding will be getting a new look on Monday. Honestly I haven't cared too much for the current look so hopefully it stands out a little more.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 03, 2020, 03:15:46 pm
New conference look has been released https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/ (https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/)

Blue, green, and gray colors instead of the maroon of old.
Two logos, primary saying 'Heartland' and secondary saying 'HCAC'
School specific versions of the logos
Each sport has their own versions as well

(https://spark.adobe.com/page/whjtMIQ80mTgw/images/a8c908a4-84e4-4460-a385-4e55aadd5425.jpg?asset_id=935a3d65-ba9b-4647-b44a-9e7f815bfda9&img_etag=%22a13fc37dc8ac01e28a4650aed15e1f44%22&size=2560)
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The two words forming the leagueís moniker served as inspiration for the brand narrative:

HEART Ė The word ĎHeartí is underlined to emphasize the competitive spirit and unified community of the HCAC. This positive bond of community felt within the conference was referenced universally throughout the process. Unity, sportsmanship and a sense of family was concurrent in the feedback from student-athletes, administrators and other conference stakeholders. Passion and commitment were also identified as key league values.

LAND Ė The land is represented visually in the logo with three rows of abstract farmland. This element showcases the geographical link of the 10 member campuses while also highlighting the conferenceís membership in NCAA Division III.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:28:34 pm
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In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.

McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.

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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 29, 2020, 06:01:44 pm
Basketball schedules have been released. First games will be January 16th. 13 games plus an expanded 8 team conference tournament
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 15, 2020, 04:29:31 pm
Basketball schedules have been released. First games will be January 16th. 13 games plus an expanded 8 team conference tournament

Don't be surprised if this is pushed a bit ... I am hearing from more and more schools two things: some schools are leery of letting students on campus before all students are expected on campus for the spring semester; there is a 7-10 day period of time per the NCAA teams have to practice and get up to speed before anything serious starts.

That is also dependent on whether schools bring students back to campus in the first place. That what if is right now become more and more of a question mark.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 16, 2020, 01:26:19 am
Maybe the youngest confrence in country

1. Earlham 4 freshman 4 senior

2.Defiance and Hanover no info   each have 1 senior

3.Manchester leading the pack 12 fresh  0 seniors. I dont know if i was  aparent i would be happy with 12 players being signed

4. St Joe 7 fresh 4 senior

5.Transy 6 fresh 4 senior

6.Franlin according to twitter 9 Fresh 4 senior

7.Bluffton according to twitter 7 fresh 4 senior

8. Anderson according to twitter only 1 fresh 1 senior

9. Rose 6 fresh 0 seniors

Franklin I saw the girl who was fighting for her life  got to go home that is terriffic,

Engine some news on rose. First the bad news Nosa Igehon has decided not to play anymore.  I will miss her she was a terriffic player but she is even a better person she is still attending Rose so im glad I will still get to see her..  The freshman class are doing well and shomba is the real deal.

on apersonal note kahlan is still rehabbing her wrist from the torn ligament she played with last year  and has started dribbling and hopes to start shooting in 2 weeks.  mor eimportantly lol after 10 years of everyone telling her she should shoot more. These words came out of her mouth. You know dad its embarrassing i only scored 4pts a game i really need to be more aggressive and shoot more.  The clouds opened up and a ray of light shined on her and the birds started signing and babies stopped crying and a dad thought to himself well its about damn time you said that.

hope everyone is doing good and its damn ridiculus they are practicing with masks on  i think that could cause way more dmagae potentially then covid
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 20, 2020, 12:06:22 pm
Update to Anderson they have posted roster 2 freshman  and 1 senior
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 20, 2020, 12:16:16 pm
at this time 4 teams are set to play non cinfrence games in nov and dec  Bluffton,Defiance and Manchester.    Manchester and Mt s t joesph have set up a game against each other in november as well. I would say 80 percent Rose will join this list
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:10:12 pm
It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett).  It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.  It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate. 

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on October 29, 2020, 11:42:23 pm
Today. Rose hulman told players they will be staying on campus and they will be playing non confrence  games.  No schedule yet but it appears games in November.    I talked today to another parent with a daughter on a team in the MIAC.  He is convinced they will shut  down the season After Carleton cancelled their season.  Iím glad my daughter is attending a school in Indiana
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 01, 2020, 11:39:11 pm
Parents were told today about 2 scheduled games for Rose in December

        Tuesday Dec. 1st vs Trine U. at our place -  time TBD                Saturday Dec. 5th @ Adrian Col. In Michigan Ė time TBD

They are also working on that tournament i heard about at washington u  in stlouis having a tournament in a bubble
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 06, 2020, 12:49:09 am
Well i have written about my daughter and her team on this site but tonight i get to announce a huge personal achievment and i have to tell you a place i could never imagine.

I want to say how happy i am I get to Appalude or Smite people.  This is a moment that I doubted would ever come with there only being 9 pages in i dont know 20 years for the HCAC page when I first posted.

We now have 37 pages and I just want to say thanks to those that helped me get to this place. First grace be to God and then of course RogK and even though we are bitter enemies FCGrizzlies and also Baldini where the hell are you and my brother in arms Engineer. Without them we would not have been able to more then triple the amount of pages for HCAC  I could possibly also not mention Gregory Sager and the legend even though he has never taken time to respond to a post from me Mr. Yipsi.  Also a shout out to the best announcer i ever had call a game of my daughters and was very gentle on the freshman laden team the great voice of  jaybird.

Last but not least even though we had a tiff at one timea big thank you to Pat Coleman who without this site I wouldnt get to brag about my daughter.

I look forward to smiting all of you and maybe every once in awhile a pat on the back
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 06, 2020, 03:21:55 am
Thought it might be interesting to see how many returning players decided to not come back to the team

Start with Rose 2 players   

Igehon  all freshman team
Young  DNP  due to injury

Manchester 4 players

Rodrigues 2.8 min a game 0 points
Norton DNP
Fillmore 10  min a game 1.5 pts
Brown played in 1 game

Transyvania 1 player

Megibben  6'2 player   3.9 min a game 1.5 pts

Bluffton 2 players

Smith 6'1  8.9 min 1.3 pts
Case 3.3 min  less then a point a game

Anderson 3 players one being a main player. The did have one player transfer from Macmurray her name is Cardwell is a sophmore guard averaged 15.7 min and 3 pts a game

Ault 26.1 min   5.7 pts
Aiman DNP
Morris 11.8 min 2,8 pts

Mount St Joesph 3 players one being a main player. Do have a player named Strange who is on roster looks like she wasnt on team last year but was at the school

Marcum 29.9 min 6pts
Hines   3.1 min  0 pts
Moody  9.4 min 1.5 pts

aLL OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE NOT POST THIS YEAR ROSTER YET.






Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 10, 2020, 07:07:51 pm
Well Rogk  it looks like I will be returning to Illinois Wesleyan Rose-Hulman just posted on their schedule site they are playing in the midwest challenge on nov 28 and 29. They also will be playing in the North Park Challenge on Nov 20 and 21st.

who they are playing isnt listed. I dont know if i told you this in the past but my kid told me that Sosas release was the quickest she had guarded and that includes Paige Bueckers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 10, 2020, 08:02:45 pm
well now im  not sur eon the tournaments on one schedule page its on there on another its not have to ask the kid tonight
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 11, 2020, 10:55:18 am
ok update on schedule will know by end of day if administration excepted.

Trine Dec 1st  and Adrian Dec 5th  these have allready been approved

Olivet College Classic   Teams Involved  Hope,Olivet,Bluffton and Rose.  Dec 10,11,12

Washington U tournament  Dec 16,17,18 and 19 teams not listed yet.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 12, 2020, 01:47:20 pm
Just found out the game vs Trine has been cancelled due to a member of Trine testing positive   and them not having enough days to quarantine and for contact
tracing and EKG protocol.

also update on washington U tournament and bubble
 We are still waiting
on Washington U. Administration to make final decision on Bubble at their campus in Dec. 18-20.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 13, 2020, 06:20:58 pm
Well good news if your a fan of the heartland conference especially if you have a kid playing. Just released

HCAC-Return-to-Play-11-13-20
HCAC Winter/Spring Return to Play Plan: Nov. 13 Update

7/27/2020 9:01:00 AM

Story Links
LINK TO UPDATED ROSE-HULMAN COMPOSITE ATHLETIC SCHEDULE

HCAC Update Regarding COVID-19 | Nov. 13, 2020
 
CARMEL, Ind. Ė The Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference (HCAC) released an update regarding the league's response to the constantly evolving COVID-19 pandemic on Friday, Nov. 13. 
 
The HCAC Council of Presidents continues to weigh all medical information consistent with federal and state public health authorities, the NCAA, and institutional guidelines. Based on those current recommendations, the HCAC Council of Presidents has voted to move forward with plans to conduct winter sports competition in 2021.   
 
For indoor sports deemed as 'high transmission risk' by the NCAA's COVID-19 guidelines, the conference will develop and approve modified schedules.  Those sports are men's and women's basketball and volleyball.  The HCAC intends to play these sports while following the NCAA recommended health standards and continuing to monitor changes in the COVID-19 pandemic.  The Council of Presidents also agreed to move forward with plans to conduct the conference's other winter sports, following the guidelines that are recommended by the NCAA.
 
"The HCAC leadership continues to adjust and work towards finding ways to conduct safe competition, while adhering to public health officials, NCAA officials and institutional recommendations," said HCAC Commissioner Jay Jones. "We appreciate the continued patience and flexibility that our student-athletes, families and coaches have exhibited as we adjust to the ever-changing recommendations and necessary safety measures. We know the constant adjustments are not easy, but that is the only way to conduct safe athletic competition in this challenging environment."
 
The HCAC still anticipates conducting spring sports and fall sports (that were postponed and scheduled to compete this spring) in the spring of 2021. The Heartland continues to monitor the effects of the pandemic and is prepared to make necessary alterations to those schedules to allow for safe competition that meets all safety and health guidelines. 
 
The Council of Presidents determined that the individual institutions within the HCAC will have the autonomy to mandate their own spectator policies at home athletic events. Institutions are continuing to develop those standards, and those policies will necessarily remain fluid as local, regional and state health guidelines are modified. 
 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 18, 2020, 03:27:18 am
Current non-conference schedule for the HCAC before conference play begins Jan 16. Bluffton, Defiance, Manchester, RHIT, Transylvania all with games scheduled, Anderson, Earlham, Franklin, Hanover, MSJ with none
(* means on D3 schedule but not team schedule, ^ means on team schedule and not D3 so no idea if it's cancelled or happening):

11/6 Transylvania 69 @ Piedemont 71
11/7 Manchester 51 @ Adrian 77
11/7 Transylvania 46 @ E Texas Baptist 61
11/12 Manchester 55 @ Bluffton 65
11/14 Manchester 46 @ Bluffton 54

11/19 Bluffton @ Manchester 7:00pm
*11/20 RHIT TBA
^11/20 Piedmont @ Transylvania
11/21 Bluffton @ Manchester 1:00pm
*11/21 RHIT TBA
^11/21 Piedmont @ Transylvania
*11/28 RHIT TBA
*11/29 RHIT TBA

12/2 Adrian @ Defiance 6:00pm
*12/2 RHIT @ St Mary of the Woods 7:00pm
12/5 RHIT @ Adrian 3:00pm
12/7 Adrian @ Bluffton 6:00pm
^12/7 Transylvania @ Morehead St 5:00pm
12/9 Adrian @ Bluffton 6:00pm
*12/11 RHIT @ Olivet
12/12 Defiance @ Adrian 1:00pm
*12/29 UW-Eau Claire @ Transylvania
*12/30 UW-Eau Claire @ Transylvania
12/31 Covenant @ Transylvania

^1/13 Maryville @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 18, 2020, 02:43:35 pm
Early results and they played 2 decent teams but Transylvania starts the year 0-2.   Bluffton handles Manchester in 2 games pretty easily
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on November 24, 2020, 02:15:52 pm
Defiance just relased thei roster   10 incoming freshman   7 players not returning.

Here are the  7

Baptista  didnt play in 2019

Roberts 8 games played 3.9 min

Blanton  12 games 3,3 min  1 pt  agame

Loer   didnt play in 2019

Harris  10 games played 1.8 min

Gilliam 9 games played 3.4 min

Bundy  didnt play in 2019
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 10:45:23 am
I wanted to bring to everyone's attention that the the DIII Championships Committee has decided that basketball has to have 60% participation for the NCAA tournament to move forward. That means if 40% or more call off playing, the tournament will pretty much be done.

Roughly that means we need 250 schools to still be playing - or not lose more than about 170.

Currently we have about 60 or so schools who will not be playing: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 02, 2020, 01:58:32 pm
Hey GRIZZ

Franklin just relased their roster.  Some impact losses for your squad.  The young lady who was in the accident they still have  her on the roster.  They are bringing in 8 freshman  one player Hurd who didnt play last year but looks liek she contributed th eprevious.

they are losing a starter and  one of the first off the bench both guards.

Cowert 26 min 7 pts

ratliff  17 min 3 pts

davis  7 min 3 pts

Pankaratz 2 min agame
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 02, 2020, 07:35:43 pm
Grizzlies are going to have some height, 10 players listed at 5'10" or taller, 4 at least 6'. Have to see who will take over the backcourt with McDaniel and Aycock graduating and Cowart not listed. Still have their top 2 scorers and 3 of top 4.

Considering the gap between Franklin and the cluster behind them last season, I'd think they should at least make the conference tournament as long as they have someone to handle the ball.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 01:18:49 am
Well the last and final team finally posted their roster  which is Hanover.

They dont lose any returning players and have 8 incoming freshman.

just showing a diffrence in how universities run. Games played this year so far

Bluffton 7 games

Transylvania   5 games

Manchester 5 games


Rest of confrence 0
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 21, 2020, 02:56:42 am
Well the last and final team finally posted their roster  which is Hanover.

They dont lose any returning players and have 8 incoming freshman.

just showing a diffrence in how universities run. Games played this year so far

Bluffton 7 games

Transylvania   5 games

Manchester 5 games


Rest of confrence 0
And if you count games not against each other then it's
Transylvania: 3
Bluffton: 2
Manchester: 1
with only 2 of those (both Transy) not being against Adrian
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 07:51:38 pm
Well Grizz i have some  information.

The HCAC will have a confrence season. But teams will not play any schools that are more then 4 hours away. In Rose case that means no Transylvania.Bluffton,Defiance.

Games will be schelued that you play twice in 3 days this will help with the cost of testing.   All teams will make the confrence tournament and it will be a blind draw for the bracket.

They will have to wear masks on the bench and in th ebuilding but when playing on the ocurt they will not be wearing masks.

the worst news as a parent their will be no spectators  at least untill Feb 15th but all games will be streamed.

Rose has a tough start with Franklin and Hanover being their first 2 games.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on December 21, 2020, 08:45:03 pm
Well Grizz i have some  information.

The HCAC will have a confrence season. But teams will not play any schools that are more then 4 hours away. In Rose case that means no Transylvania.Bluffton,Defiance.

Games will be schelued that you play twice in 3 days this will help with the cost of testing.   All teams will make the confrence tournament and it will be a blind draw for the bracket.

They will have to wear masks on the bench and in th ebuilding but when playing on the ocurt they will not be wearing masks.

the worst news as a parent their will be no spectators  at least untill Feb 15th but all games will be streamed.

Rose has a tough start with Franklin and Hanover being their first 2 games.

So the composite schedule on the HCAC website is incorrect?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 21, 2020, 09:21:24 pm
yes its changing, rose has already pulled theirs down
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2020, 01:35:01 pm
We should point out the HCAC is hoping to play... at least they have schedules out...
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 22, 2020, 03:16:43 pm
My info for the HCAC comes from a pretty high source. On a lower source note. I just had a dad whos daughte ris on a Miac team text me that they also will be playing in January.

And this is a great ideal I should go on the central page as not many come to this page .  Im not sure if its the confrence or Hamline itself but they have Hyvee sponsoring them for the cost of their tests 3 times a week. Great ideal. I alllready forward to Rose coaches and said you should present to HCAC commissioner
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2020, 07:28:09 pm
Jester - the source isn't relevant. My point was there is a plan in place, but "a plan today is a plan today." I can list a lot of different reasons for plans across the country to be changed at any point between now and ... May.

We have been tracking all of it - posting the cancelations and delay decisions by schools and conferences. It can be found here: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/11/winter-is-coming-but-who-will-play

I tweeted about the latest information I have gathered today and it can be found here: https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1341504569264779265
... or on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville/ (latest post)

Reminder that if we hit 40% canceled or delayed in terms of seasons, the NCAA tournaments will be called off. I think there will be basketball played in different parts of the country ... scattered, but the tourneys won't happen.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 12:15:38 am
No problem i think it  go's without saying that any plans are day to day
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 12:28:38 am
I also think its brilliant by either the MIAC or if its just Hamline having a sponsor paying for the testing. Because in the end college is like any other buisness they are worried about costs and bottom lines.  Leadership will say oh its the concern for the kids but the reason once you strip away  what they are expected to say ismost schools who will cancel is because of cost of testing.

If  following the  science college kids are at practically no risk for themselves now that doesnt anwser the coaching and the refs and staff or if kids go home during a break but for the health of the players there alot more things that will hurt them then covid.  Now I understand this will make some people upset . They can go home and kill old people will be a comment. Like i stated im only talking about the athlete themselves.

When the goverment shuts down liqour stores,weed stores,wall mart or home depot then I would worry about my daughter and i certainly never would have let her leave the state,
For all the pro and college athletes with a positive test I havent heard of one of them being even more then flu ill and certainly not in the hospital. I could be wrong but I dont think there has been.

People of my age Need to be smart and  need to be aware but shutting down the lives of young people so I have a false sense of security is not what i want on my shoulders.

Anyways back to basketball Paige Bueckers is everything I saw growing up and more and did you see the rings the Lakers got.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 23, 2020, 03:12:34 pm
Cost of testing, yes ... but another concern colleges have is their entire campus. An outbreak could impact their faculty (who are not young), administration, staff, janitors, food service individuals ... the list is long. Furthermore, it could affect and even kill young adults like college age students who may not be fully aware of any pre-existing conditions that may cause their illness to be worse. Or just impact them significantly. I have a former colleague from my TV days who son is a junior at Univ. of Tennessee. He contracted the virus and spent weeks in the hospital - some of the time on a ventilator. That stay impacted him greatly that he now is home under rehab care still learning to fully walk again (having spent time in a hospital this year myself, not for covid, that caused me to be in a bed FAR more than expected, I understand how it impacts something as simple as even walking).

You are also very right, Jester, that students can take this virus back to other people and impact them far more than themselves. Something I know some people just do not appreciate. It is something I am VERY concerned about with my kids attending a small, private, catholic elementary school. It is a long story and one that makes me nervous day to day...

So there are a lot of concerns colleges have to face since they have small communities of varying sizes they are responsible for. They also impact their local communities. I know of a handful of campuses that were, or likely were, told to send their students home because the local health departments had concerns with an outbreak or a potential outbreak on the local resources and hospital beds. A campus breakout not only will have the local hospitals slammed, but if it also impacts the community the resources for those ares are now maxed more than capacity or ability can handle.

Take LA County which is restricting any colleges from having students on campus and may allow a pilot program that would allow only 500 students per campus. Those restrictions keep any of the DIII campuses from having students on campus and thus having any athletic teams practicing let alone competing - so that has nothing to do with testing.

Yes, tests are a significant concern when it comes to costs. Some colleges can handle it; some can't. Some colleges need to make the sacrifice if they hope to stay open in the future; some cannot. But there is a very long list of other reasons, some contributing and some separate, that go into these decisions about students on campus and the like.

As for it doesn't seem to be as big a risk for pros and college age students, what is an acceptable risk? One of the top players in DI who plays for Florida just collapsed during a game recently. It appears the cause is tied to the virus. He apparently has acute myocarditis (https://www.gatorsports.com/story/basketball/2020/12/22/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-has-season-ending-heart-issue/4006117001/) - the same condition that killed Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis among others. There needs to be more tests in his case, but if COVID drives up the risk of myocarditis or any other long-term affect we aren't even aware of ... is that worth the risk?

Sure, it seems mild, but Ravens MVP QB Lamar Jackson describes being basically in his bed for 10 days straight sleeping. Same description a good friend of mine described the other day after he went through the exact same thing. He is two weeks removed and he's still exhausted - to the point of waking for breakfast then falling asleep again. That is pretty much worse than the flu... and again, the long-term problems aren't known right now. To quote someone I was talking to the other day: "letís hope history judges us well with regards to what may be long term effects of having the virus."

For the record ... I agree with much of what you said, Jester ... you just inspired me to put some thoughts down.

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 23, 2020, 06:25:01 pm
Dave I think all your points are valid and Iím not saying I have all the answers but we are all day to day and you canít stop living. There will never be 0 percent. So like you mentioned d 2 cases out of how many college kids.   My heart goís out to anyone who has lost anyone and I wouldnít advise my mom to go to her granddaughters game.   People die every year from flu and other sickness and traffic accidents will kids on the cell phones driving will take more kids out then Covid will ever do.  We donít stop kids from driving.   For me personally and I realize the world doesnít revolve around me I am far more worried about getting alzihmers down the road then Covid.  Letís get warp speed for that or cancer things that will be long killing more people after Covid is over
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 27, 2020, 05:21:33 pm
No disrespect, but distracted driving kills nine people a day on average ... we are currently losing about 60 per day to covid (and it has been higher).

We have also lost as many people since COVID started (not 12 months, yet) as we have lost to the flu in the last five years combined (some states, it is the last ten years combined).

And we have done a lot of things to try and keep distracted drivers from killing people like laws - but distracted driving is not contagious.

And we do a LOT for the flu each year including a vaccine, but the flu isn't as contagious as covid.

Scarier thing... a new variant is 50% more contagious.

We need to get through the next 3-9 months and hope the vaccine allows us to get better control measures in place. It is unfortunate that student-athletes are taking a hit with all of this, but pandemics like this don't come around all that often (once a century it appears) and we have to just get through this. There are far more important things - even if that means it costs students the chance to compete this season or people like myself our careers.

And we have tried to get warp speed for cancer - but warp speed was about gambling on the right vaccines and making them ahead of time pending approval. Godforbid those vaccines ended up being busts - or warp speed would have been a bust as well. I am very glad it worked out... but I'm not sure how it would compare to cancer. There have been insane efforts made to figure out cancer, but ... it is a strange challenge. Well out of my depths of understanding.

BTW - Covid will never be over. It will be like the flu in our lives from now on. Sadly. We need vaccines to work and then we can maybe get ahead of this thing.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on December 30, 2020, 06:34:25 pm
Update on hcac scheduling from what i understand still not panting schools 4 hours away and now will be playing the same school twice back to back Friday and Saturday. Might be a couple thursdays in there so 12 conference games on docket
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 30, 2020, 09:17:26 pm
Here's the mileage chart (https://heartland.prestosports.com/information/mileage_chart) from the old conference website. The only matchups listed as over 4 hours away are

Anderson: none                                   (Transy 3:46 the longest)
Bluffton: RHIT                                     (Franklin, Hanover, Transy all over 3:30)
Defiance: Hanover, RHIT, Transy           (Franklin and MSJ 3:29 or more)
Earlham: none                                    (no one more than 3 hours)
Franklin: none                                    (Bluffton and Defiance about 3:30)
Hanover: Defiance, Manchester            (Bluffton almost 4 hours)
Manchester: Hanover, Transy                (MSJ almost 4 hours, RHIT about 3:30)
MSJ: none                                           (Defiance and Manchester almost 4 hours)
RHIT: Bluffton, Defiance, Transy            (Hanover, Manchester, MSJ over 3 hours)
Transy: Defiance, Manchester, RHIT       (Anderson and Bluffton almost 4 hours)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 31, 2020, 08:30:40 pm
Update on hcac scheduling from what i understand still not panting schools 4 hours away and now will be playing the same school twice back to back Friday and Saturday. Might be a couple thursdays in there so 12 conference games on docket

The back-to-backs against same opponent is a major step for testing. If not, more testing is required each week ... and that brings with it more costs.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 01, 2021, 01:23:12 am
It's not really important, but I wonder if it would be possible to do like the NCAA tournament and have two teams who are too far apart head to a centralized team (say Earlham or Franklin). They could do a 3 day round robin.
Say Defiance heads to Earlham and plays on day 1, Transylvania heads up and plays Defiance on day 2 then Defiance heads home, and day 3 is Transylvania against Earlham. Franklin could do the same with say Manchester and Hanover. Then the other 4 teams would do the back to back games with a single opponent (say Anderson vs Bluffton and RHIT vs MSJ). Everyone gets their 2 games in for the week and teams who are too far apart can at least get 1 matchup.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 01, 2021, 02:57:00 am
Grizz thats a good idea but i think its to late in the process.  It doesnt appear rose will be playing St.Mary of the woods in their annual tournament ther eis some talk about maybe playing the game after the confrence tournament .
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 05, 2021, 08:31:31 pm
Rose just released their updated schedule   Back to back games Thursday and Saturday most of them against the same team


2020-21 Women's Basketball


Overall    0-0  .000

Conference 0-0  .000

Streak     ---

Home       0-0

Away       0-0

Neutral    0-0


Date           Time      At     Opponent           Location                          Tournament   Result

Jan 14 (Thu)   8:15 PM   Home   Franklin           Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Jan 16 (Sat)   1 PM      Away   Franklin           Franklin, IN                                         

Jan 21 (Thu)   7 PM      Home   Hanover            Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Jan 23 (Sat)   1 PM      Away   Hanover            Hanover, IN                                         

Jan 28 (Thu)   7:30 PM   Away   Mount St. Joseph   Cincinnati, OH                                       

Jan 30 (Sat)   2 PM      Home   Mount St. Joseph   Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 4 (Thu)    7:30 PM   Away   Anderson           Anderson, IN                                         

Feb 6 (Sat)    2 PM      Home   Anderson           Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 12 (Fri)   7:30 PM   Away   Manchester         North Manchester, IN                                 

Feb 13 (Sat)   6:45 PM   Home   Manchester         Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 19 (Fri)   8:15 PM   Home   Earlham            Terre Haute, IN (Hulbert Arena)                     

Feb 21 (Sun)   3:30 PM   Away   Earlham            Richmond, IN
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 07, 2021, 05:28:34 pm
Just being a proud dad

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/images/2020/12/18/Kahlan_Jester_Featured.jpg?width=540&height=304&mode=crop&scale=both&format=jpg&quality=80
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2021, 09:01:39 pm
Just being a proud dad

https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/images/2020/12/18/Kahlan_Jester_Featured.jpg?width=540&height=304&mode=crop&scale=both&format=jpg&quality=80

You should be proud, best of luck to Kahlan with all of her future endeavors.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 10, 2021, 09:07:19 pm
The Transylvania schedule on D-3 Hoops shows the game against Morehead State as postponed, but that game was played on December 15th and even in defeat the Pioneers played the D-1 opponent well. The Pioneers are 3-3 as they head into conference play this coming week.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 10, 2021, 11:07:21 pm
I watched the hanover-manchester game   Hanover won 69-65. Hanover sporting new club  Manchester has a 6'1 guard averaging double figures looks to be the real deal have to wait to se e how she does when some defense is played
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2021, 08:20:53 am
The Transylvania schedule on D-3 Hoops shows the game against Morehead State as postponed, but that game was played on December 15th and even in defeat the Pioneers played the D-1 opponent well. The Pioneers are 3-3 as they head into conference play this coming week.

Thanks. We had it correctly postponed on the 7th, but missed the reschedule.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 11, 2021, 07:50:27 pm
Mens preseason poll came out today so I expect womens will likely be tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2021, 07:55:20 pm
http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/1/11/hcac-2021-womens-basketball-notebook-week-1.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 11, 2021, 08:01:16 pm
ok franklin,baldini and hopefully engine havent seen him on here in awhile. Here are my picks I have no clue but here we go.

Rose splits with franklin

Transy over anderson

mt st over hanover  one game was cancelled if for some reason they play it will be a split

bluffton 2 wins  over defiance

manchester earlham games cancelled but i would have taken a split
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2021, 12:32:45 pm
Poll is out  Rose picked 7th already have texted and said this should be feul for you girls.  I have no ideal on how they are going to be they lost a big time talent  but she also struggled really bad with free throws and turning the ball over but can they replace her rebounding.  Happy the kid made the to watch list  only time will tell


http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/1/11/2020-21-womens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 14, 2021, 08:26:02 am
1-14-2021

Hanover over Manchester
Transylvania over Anderson in a good one.
Franklin over Rose-Hulman

1-15-2021

Bluffton over Defiance

1-16-2021

Hanover over Manchester
Anderson over Transylvania
Franklin over Rose-Hulman
Defiance over Bluffton
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 14, 2021, 12:26:30 pm
Hanover @ Manchester
Anderson @ Transy
Franklin @ Rose

Bluffton @ Defiance

Rose @ Franklin
Defiance @ Bluffton
Manchester @ Hanover
Transy @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 01:57:21 pm
Hanover over manchester
Transy over anderson
franklin ove rose  they only have 8 girls  it hink tonight injuries not related to covid.

bluffton over defiance
transy over anderson
bluffton over defiance
rose over franklin hoping they wore them down in first game
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 06:14:45 pm
Hanover 68-64 over Manchester.  Thought son game.  Manchester struggle nightly against the press.  Freshman number 11 reminds me of nosa from rose last year dominant for them on boards. Not good at free throws. Doesnít love her feet defensively got i. Foul trouble but when she is off court.  Their play drops off.  Hanover not the same team defensively and not strong rebounding  but when they had to play defense last 4 min they turned it up a notch. Very well coached team he doesnít panick
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 14, 2021, 10:43:21 pm
well interesting loss to Franlin 79-61   couple of things where the hell did the defense go doesnt help in firs thalf out socred on turnovers 18-1 but ther eis good news.   after a horrendous first period  they played at the same level as franklin actually got the lead down to seven with a minute to go and some subs wer emade i wont remark on and some freshman made freshman mistakes and all of sudden down 13 at half.  only 9 turnovers in 2nd half huge improvement from 15 in first. They socred 66 points tying their high from last year where they only score din the 60's 5 times.

personl on my kid 30 minutes 3 shots with one coming at end of game at buzzer scored 5 points i love her but  she has to shoot the damn ball no threes in the game for rose.  The kid played great defense her assignments with 0 points. I dont understand why they dont shift her down on a big when our interior players struggle but then i know that leaves the guard with more openings. The whole game not one 3 was attempted over her because of her length.   The freshman played hard as all the rose players do. It will be simple for them dont run the ball over and they will win more then there fair share. I would almost bet 100k there is no way franklin ends up in 70's on saturday,

I think Frankin will win the divison i odnt think transy will be able to outscore them as there defense is not as goood as it was last year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 16, 2021, 12:28:51 pm
Rose-Franklin game has been cancelled... men still set to play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 16, 2021, 07:12:35 pm
Bad day for rose. A player tested positive so they are all on 14 day sequestration at the holiday inn.  So next weekend and I think also the following weekend unless they move the Thursday game to Sunday they might paly
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 17, 2021, 01:25:16 pm
Not a great start to already have a positive test. Hopefully it's mild and the only case for the conference this season.

Hanover 68 Manchester 64
Transylvania 64 Anderson 46
Franklin 76 Rose 61
Bluffton 80 Defiance 67
Rose Franklin
Bluffton 75 Defiance 54
Hanover 69 Manchester 52
Transylvania 65 Anderson 60

FCGG   7-0
Jester 6-0 (missing the 2nd Panthers-Spartans game)
Baldini 5-2


10 games scheduled this week... lets see how many get played.
Thursday
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Rose-Hulman

Friday
Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson

Saturday
Transylvania @ Mount St Joseph
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover
Anderson @ Manchester
Earlham @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 17, 2021, 04:24:23 pm
Rose games are cancelled for this weekend
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 19, 2021, 10:52:49 pm
Looks like Rose has also cancelled next weekend against MSJ.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 21, 2021, 09:17:38 am
Thursday
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania
Hanover @ Rose-Hulman

Friday
Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2021, 10:28:30 am
Mount St Joseph @ Transylvania

Bluffton @ Earlham
Defiance @ Franklin
Manchester @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 21, 2021, 02:09:00 pm
I pick

MT ST joe

bluffton

franklin

manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2021, 08:57:42 pm
Current standings through "3 game days". Only 5 teams have actually played all 3 games.

Bluffton 3-0
Franklin 2-0
Hanover 2-0
Transylvania 3-0

Manchester 1-2

Anderson 0-3
Defiance 0-3
Earlham 0-1
Mount St Joseph 0-1
Rose-Hulman 0-1
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 22, 2021, 09:01:46 pm
Saturday
Transylvania @ Mount St Joseph
Rose-Hulman @ Hanover
Anderson @ Manchester
Earlham @ Bluffton
Franklin @ Defiance
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 23, 2021, 05:11:37 pm
Sorry about that Grizz, I forgot to put my pick in. I would of gone with the same as you had, but I see Transylvania took the Lose already. 
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 23, 2021, 08:02:40 pm
1/3 of the way through the 12 conference games. 15 of 20 games have happened, 5 have been cancelled.

Bluffton 4-0
Franklin 3-0
Hanover 2-0

Transylvania 3-1

Mount St Joseph 1-1
Anderson 1-3
Manchester 1-3

Defiance 0-4
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-1

Next week's pairings:
Franklin-Hanover
Bluffton-Manchester
Anderson-Earlham
Manchester-Transylvania
Mount St Joseph-Rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 23, 2021, 11:44:59 pm
Hi Guys just wanted to update you on rose and my daughter.  Also maybe to gloat on my prediction of MSJ beating transy.

A teammate of my daughters tested positve and the team was quarantined after their first game against Franklin.  My daughter became sick a couple of days later and on Tuesday  tested positive for Covid.   Since then she has battled with 101 Tempetures and chills slight breathing and for her sores in her mouth.   Today was a good day the fever has broken and she feels much better and just has a cough  she even got herself a pizza today.   Her and the team get to come out of being sequestered on Thursday.  In her case she then has to wait 2 weeks to take a ekg test and pass that before she comes back which means she will probably miss the Anderson games as well.   The team is still hoping to have enough players for Anderson

Nothing to do with basketball and I know itís true everywhere these young people are just amazing. They had a virtual job fair for internships and with 102 temp she refused to cancel her interview with the state department and also not to miss a test

I knew sending my daughter back to school could be a risk and it sucks she got it and I wish she had not had to go through it but the way Rose and especially Coach Prevo and his wife are there just not for my daughter but all the girls makes me even more sure that my daughter picked the correct university
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on January 24, 2021, 07:07:21 am
Glad that she is improving quickly, with her immune system strong. Hopefully no lingering issues.
Had to be scary for her, more so for you and the Mrs.
Good luck also to any teammates and others we don't know that are still battling Covid effects.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 24, 2021, 01:00:52 pm
They were fortunate she was the only one who got sick.  Franklin I think oyu have the best squad this year form game si have watched.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2021, 02:52:34 pm
Here's hoping your daughter fully recovers well. This is a scary beast.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 26, 2021, 05:27:31 pm
picks

franklin both games

manchester both

anderson both

transy win and then manchester win  both teams will win their home games
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 01:05:04 pm
Hopefully Kahlan gets better soon and the Engineers get back on the court.

Thursday
Hanover @ Franklin

Friday
Earlham @ Transylvania
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Defiance

Saturday
Franklin @ Hanover
Manchester @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson

Sunday
Transylvania @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 01:14:14 pm
Never posted last week's results. Better late than never

Transylvania 66 Mount St Joseph 44
Bluffton 58 Earlham 49
Franklin 61 Defiance 47
Manchester 63 Anderson 55
Mount St Joseph 58 Transylvania 55
Anderson 50 Manchester 48
Bluffton 59 Earlham 38
Franklin 69 Defiance 62

Seems only natural with this season that no one has picked the same amount of games ;)
FCGG    6-2  13-2
Jester    3-1   9-1
Baldini   3-1   8-3
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 28, 2021, 01:31:48 pm
revamped picks

Franklin

transy

bluffton

defiance


sat

franklin

bluffton

anderson

sun

transy
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 07:20:30 pm
Thursday
Hanover @ Franklin

Friday
Earlham @ Transylvania
Bluffton @ Manchester
Anderson @ Defiance

Saturday
Franklin @ Hanover
Manchester @ Bluffton
Defiance @ Anderson

Sunday
Transylvania @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 08:27:34 pm
This Franklin game is rough... got off to a 12-5 start... all Hanover since. Through 3 quarters Franklin losing the turnover battle 20-9... points off turnovers 21-2 in favor of the Panthers. Hanover only leads 45-37 though so not out of it yet.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 08:39:26 pm
This Franklin game is rough... got off to a 12-5 start... all Hanover since. Through 3 quarters Franklin losing the turnover battle 20-9... points off turnovers 21-2 in favor of the Panthers. Hanover only leads 45-37 though so not out of it yet.

Down to a 2 point game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 28, 2021, 08:47:34 pm
Never a doubt, Grizz.  ;)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 28, 2021, 08:48:38 pm
Franklin scored 28 points in the first 27:50 of the game... they took exactly 10 minutes to score the next 29.
63-54 final. Grizzlies outscore Hanover in the 4th quarter 26-9 :o
Title: Re: HCAC
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Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on January 29, 2021, 09:10:38 pm
Added Saturday game,

Transylvania @ Anderson
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2021, 09:30:56 pm
Brianna Gillig scored 41 points to lead Bluffton over Manchester, 85-68. That gives her the single game record for both the Bluffton women (previously 33), and the HCAC (previously 40).

She hit 15-25 from the floor (including 2-4 from 3-pt range), and 9-10 from the FT line.

She also found time to pull in a game-high 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 29, 2021, 11:31:10 pm
Defiance and earlham  out 2 weeks due to Covid

Rose players got out yesterday   Kid is doing great and has recovered.   Anderson games still questionable for next weekend I think it depends on if enough players.  My daughter will be out as the only player along with the teammate who was the original positve  has to wait t2 weeks to take ekg
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 30, 2021, 12:50:36 am
I'll take Transy in Ravens-Pioneers III
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on January 30, 2021, 10:41:32 pm
First win by anderson over transylvania since 2011. it really is open this  year more bad news for rose.  One of their top freshman decided to not keep playing this year didnt want to be quarantined  but said she will be back next year.

Have to give a shout out to MIAC fans and  to one of my players i coached and played with my daughter during her youth.  Jaiden Klein who is a freshman at Hamline in the MIAC. She scored 15 pts today in her first game.  also a good game by kahlans high school teamamtes who also play for Hamline Sarah Loken and Sophie Findell.  They came up short but it was thier first game.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 02, 2021, 08:24:03 pm
News on Rose.  They will be playing Anderson this week.  Jester is out both games due to Covid rules Wilson is out Thursday but might be able to play Saturday
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 04, 2021, 01:04:17 pm
picks


today

rose wins over anderson

Friday

defiance

mt s t joe

fanklin

hanover

sat

rose

bluffton

franklin

hanover

manchester

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2021, 06:16:46 pm
2/4
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson

2/5
Manchester @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Mount St. Joseph
Franklin @ Transylvania

2/6
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Mount St. Joseph @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Franklin
Defiance @ Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2021, 06:26:16 pm
2/4
Rose-Hulman @ Anderson

2/5
Manchester @ Defiance
Bluffton @ Mount St. Joseph
Franklin @ Transylvania

2/6
Anderson @ Rose-Hulman
Mount St. Joseph @ Bluffton
Transylvania @ Franklin
Defiance @ Manchester
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 04, 2021, 11:29:05 pm
Last week's results
Franklin 63 Hanover 54
Bluffton 85 Manchester 68
Hanover 68 Franklin 60
Anderson 60 Transylvania 52
Bluffton 78 Manchester 60

Conference records (only teams to play 6 games are Bluffton and Manchester)
Bluffton 6-0
Franklin 4-1
Hanover 3-1
Transylvania 3-2
Mount St Joseph 1-1
Anderson 2-3
Manchester 1-5
Defiance 0-4
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-1



FCGG    3-2  16-4
Jester    3-1   12-2 (no pick for the last minute Anderson-Transylvania addition [probably good since no one was right])
Baldini   3-2   11-4
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:10:20 pm
Franklin Iím just starting to watch game what the hell happened lost by 34
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:16:21 pm
I picked Anderson over transy thatís will I was bragging
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 05, 2021, 08:32:46 pm
That must be a old score I saw they are losing by 23 with 5 min to go
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 05, 2021, 09:58:23 pm
A lot like the first Hanover game but without flipping the switch the final 12 minutes. Grizzlies down 8-0 halfway through the 1st... got as close as 2, but gave up a 6-0 run in the final minute to be behind 17-8 after the 1st. Cut the lead back to 4 with under 3 1/2 left in the 2nd but again Transy ends with a 14-5 run to stretch it out. Lead never got under double digits after that.
27 turnovers, 1/12 behind the arc, 12/25 at the line. Only 8 of 17 from shots within a couple feet. Just a terrible game all around. One thing they did well was rebound... outrebounded Transy 46-31 and had 20 offensive rebounds. But couldn't hold on to the ball and couldn't find the net.
Both losses have been on the road so maybe returning to Spurlock will get them back on track tomorrow.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 11, 2021, 05:54:37 pm
2/11
Mount St. Joseph @ Franklin

2/12
Transylvania @ Hanover
Earlham @ Defiance
Anderson @ Bluffton
Rose-Hulman @ Manchester

2/13
Franklin @ Mount St. Joseph
Bluffton @ Anderson
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
Defiance @ Earlham

2/14
Hanover @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2021, 03:49:45 pm
i swear i fdont know the score but count if you want if im right

I owuld have picked franklin
earlham
hanover
bluffton
rose i have inside info that someone promised me a big night in scoring column

then sat

franklin
anderson
defiance
 then transy
rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 12, 2021, 10:42:05 pm
Good win by rose tonight.   They still ha e that one quarter offensively where you just shake your head.   Good game by the kid in her first game back from Covid
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:07:18 am
2/13
Franklin @ Mount St. Joseph
Bluffton @ Anderson
Manchester @ Rose-Hulman
Defiance @ Earlham

2/14
Hanover @ Transylvania
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:24:22 am
Last week's results
Anderson 56 Rose-Hulman 43
Manchester 71 Defiance 59
Mount St Joseph 72 Bluffton 69 OT
Transylvania 76 Franklin 51
Anderson 54 Rose-Hulman 43
Mount St Joseph 61 Bluffton 55
Transylvania 62 Franklin 55
Manchester 57 Defiance 51


Conference records (Hanover wins the week by not playing)
Hanover 3-1
Mount St Joseph 3-1
Bluffton 6-2
Transylvania 5-2
Franklin 4-3
Anderson 4-3
Manchester 3-5
Earlham 0-2
Rose-Hulman 0-3
Defiance 0-6


FCGG    5-3   21-7
Baldini   5-3   16-7
Jester    2-6   14-8
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 13, 2021, 12:27:37 am
Good news for those who prefer in person watching (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/9/general-hcac-update-regarding-covid-19-jan-9-2021.aspx)

Quote
In an announcement made prior to the first championships of the 2020-21 academic year, the Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference (HCAC) adjusted its current fan policy as it relates to attendance at indoor athletic events on its member institutional campuses following a vote of the Council of Presidents.
 
The Council of Presidents unanimously agreed that attendance of spectators at HCAC indoor competitions will be left to the discretion of each host institution; however, each institution will honor any visiting institutionís stated desire to compete in an arena with limited or no spectators.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 13, 2021, 12:44:38 am
Not really good news.  Rose was only letting senior parents come this weekend and no one next.  When I contacted Manchester to se their rules it was the same 

Hopefully they will allow parents at tournament but Iím not holding my breath
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 16, 2021, 09:53:23 pm
2/18
Transylvania @ Bluffton
Hanover @Anderson

2/19
Franklin @ Manchester
Defiance @ Mount St. Joseph
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman

2/20
Anderson @ Hanover
Bluffton @ Transylvania
Manchester @ Franklin
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance

2/21
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2021, 08:05:06 am
2/18
Transylvania @ Bluffton

2/19
Hanover @Anderson
Franklin @ Manchester
Defiance @ Mount St. Joseph
Earlham @ Rose-Hulman

2/20
Bluffton @ Transylvania
Manchester @ Franklin
Mount St. Joseph @ Defiance

2/21
Anderson @ Hanover
Rose-Hulman @ Earlham
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 18, 2021, 08:13:48 am
Last week's results
Franklin 69 Mount St Joseph 52
Transylvania 87 Hanover 67
Bluffton 58 Anderson 45
Defiance 52 Earlham 49
Rose-Hulman 52 Manchester 39
Mount St Joseph 82 Franklin 70
Anderson 57 Bluffton 50
Manchester 43 Rose-Hulman 38
Defiance 64 Earlham 56
Transylvania 99 Hanover 78


Conference records
Transylvania 7-2
Bluffton 7-3
Mount St Joseph 4-2
Franklin 5-4
Anderson 5-4
Hanover 3-3
Manchester 4-6
Defiance 2-6
Rose-Hulman 1-4
Earlham 0-4


Baldini   7-3   23-10
FCGG     1-4   22-11
Jester    5-4   19-12
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 18, 2021, 03:23:39 pm
Transy over bluffton  both games
Hanover over Anderson  both games
Franklin over manchester   both games
Mt st joe over defiance both games
Rose over Earlham  both games


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2021, 05:22:18 pm
End of the regular season. 48 out of a possible 60 games were played with Bluffton and Manchester getting the full 12. On to the conference tournament.
As wildly different as we were week to week with picks we finished remarkably close for the season.

Last week's results
Bluffton 72 Transylvania 68
Hanover 80 Anderson 62
Mount St Joseph 92 Defiance 63
Franklin 57 Manchester 32
Earlham 55 Rose-Hulman 43
Transyvlania 74 Bluffton 57
Franklin 69 Manchester 57
Mount St Joseph 75 Defiance 68
Hanover 53 Anderson 45
Rose-Hulman 54 Earlham 47


Conference records
Mount St Joseph 6-2  .750
Transylvania       8-3  .727
Bluffton             8-4  .667
Franklin             7-4  .636
Hanover            5-3   .625
Anderson           5-6  .455
Manchester        4-8  .333
Rose-Hulman     2-5  .286
Defiance            2-8  .200
Earlham            1-5   .167


FCGG     7-3   29-14   .674
Jester    8-2   27-14   .659
Baldini   4-6   27-16   .628
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2021, 08:13:49 pm
Nice break for Bluffton.

In a random draw the team seeds are as follows:

No. 1 Ė Bluffton University
No. 2 Ė Earlham College
No. 3 Ė Franklin College
No. 4 Ė Manchester University
No. 5 Ė Transylvania University
No. 6 Ė Mount St. Joseph University
No. 7 Ė Hanover College 
No. 8 Ė Anderson University
No. 9 Ė Defiance College 
No. 10 Ė Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 21, 2021, 09:44:58 pm
HCAC Announcement (http://www.heartlandconf.org/news/2021/2/19/hcac-releases-2021-womens-basketball-tournament-draw.aspx)

The opening round will be played Feb. 26-28, depending on the host schools availability. The second round will take place on March 3, at the higher seed. The semifinal round will be hosted on March 6-7, dependent on the host schools availability. The Championship will be played at the highest remaining seed on March 10.


                                  1 Bluffton (8-4)
8 Anderson (5-6)          vs
vs                               8/9
9 Defiance (2-8)

                                  4 Manchester (4-8)
                                  vs
                                  5 Transylvania (8-3)


                                  3 Franklin (7-4)
                                  vs
                                  6 Mount St Joseph (6-2)

                                  2 Earlham (1-5)
7 Hanover (5-3)           vs
vs                               7/10
10 Rose-Hulman (2-5)
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 09:50:30 am
Bracket challenge?
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 22, 2021, 12:17:09 pm
I assume we have at least 3 for it... and wouldn't be surprised if that's it. But it's still more activity than the mens board.

Personally I'm curious how far Jester will pick the Engineers to go. Definitely an underdog at Hanover (who they haven't played this year), but if they pull off the win I think they'd be favorites at Earlham. Tough draw being the 10 seed and guaranteed on the road as long as they play.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 02:55:17 pm
I'll put one up.

                            1 Bluffton

8 Anderson                               1 Bluffton       
      vs                   8 Anderson     
9 Defiance                                                      5 Transylvania

                 4 Manchester
                        vs                     5 Transylvania
                 5 Transylvania
                                                                                                   5 Transylvania
                 3 Franklin
                        vs                     3 Franklin
                 6 Mount St Joseph

                           2 Earlham                                3 Franklin

7 Hanover                                 7 Hanover
   vs                    7 Hanover             
10 Rose-Hulman       

                         

Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on February 22, 2021, 03:00:34 pm
Anderson and Defiance was a tough one for me and I also like Mount St. Joseph a lot, but at Franklin seems like a small edge to Franklin.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 23, 2021, 03:29:42 pm
Have to have some differences or it's not much of a contest. So I'll go with Anderson pulling the upset at Bluffton and *cough* Hanover over Franklin *cough*

                                  1 Bluffton
8 Anderson                vs                                    8 Anderson
vs                               8 Anderson
9 Defiance
                                                                          vs                              5 Transylvania
                                  4 Manchester
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania
                                  5 Transylvania

                                                                                                             vs                              5 Transylvania
                                  3 Franklin
                                  vs                                    3 Franklin
                                  6 Mount St Joseph
                                                                                vs                          7 Hanover
                                  2 Earlham
7 Hanover                  vs                                   7 Hanover
vs                               7 Hanover
10 Rose-Hulman
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 23, 2021, 05:59:50 pm
                         

Anderson    I pick anderson         blufton vs anderson I pick bluffton
vs defiance

                           manchester vs transylvania     I pick Transyvania   then  pick bluffton


ok a littlle heart voting here but my daughter has been in a bad spot physically but she was back to 32 minutes last game in there win over earlham after playing only 10 in their lost to earlham. she guarder their stud who is quicker and much smaller who ended up with 16 points but with the kid on her she was 2 of 16 from the field. 

So with that said I pick Rose over both Hanover and earlham

I pick mt st joe over franklin and also rose   and then my confrence tournament champion is mt st joe
                       


Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 26, 2021, 09:48:22 pm
Anderson with the comfortable 60-41 win against Defiance. They'll head to the other NW Ohio team in Bluffton for round 2.

Rose heads to Hanover tomorrow for the other first round game. Good luck Jester and the Engineers.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 27, 2021, 06:23:15 pm
Well turn out the lights    Some thoughts on game and going forward. Hanover has a ugly style of play but with the ineptitude of rose guards it was effective.   A team with any sort of point guard play would have destroyed that team. They had 15 more shots then Rose at half and yet weíre only up 10

 One of the things I have noticed in d3 ball.  First staticians at games must be on meth.  They had our 2 guards with only 1 turnover at half I canít even fathom how they saw that

Also I know the rule is 2 fouls and you sit the player for the half but sometimes there is no game left whe. You bring the player back you have already lost it. You should know your players who have basketball iq to protect themselves from getting third foul

Lastly who cares if you score 10 points but you get repeatedly beat on the e other end of the court 

Note on rose.  Some of the smartest women way smarter then  I will ever  be but their desciaion making on the court is 4th grade level. To either they smartten up or they recruit a point who can ball handle and attack and knows how to swing the ball quickly itís going to be more of the same next year. Which is to bad because individually there is a lot of talent but as a team chemistry if they were being graded like in chemistry in school. Would be a resounding F
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on February 27, 2021, 06:26:34 pm
Well turn out the lights    Some thoughts on game and going forward. Hanover has a ugly style of play but with the ineptitude of rose guards it was effective.   A team with any sort of point guard play would have destroyed that team. They had 15 more shots then Rose at half and yet weíre only up 10

 One of the things I have noticed in d3 ball.  First staticians at games must be on meth.  They had our 2 guards with only 1 turnover at half I canít even fathom how they saw that

Also I know the rule is 2 fouls and you sit the player for the half but sometimes there is no game left whe. You bring the player back you have already lost it. You should know your players who have basketball iq to protect themselves from getting third foul

Lastly who cares if you score 10 points but you get repeatedly beat on the e other end of the court 

Note on rose.  Some of the smartest women way smarter then  I will ever  be but their desciaion making on the court is 4th grade level. So either they smartten up or they recruit a point who can ball handle and attack and knows how to swing the ball quickly itís going to be more of the same next year. Which is to bad because individually there is a lot of talent but as a team chemistry if they were being graded like in chemistry in school. Would be a resounding F
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 28, 2021, 12:46:42 am
Didn't catch the game but looking at the boxscore and the glaring numbers are turnovers, offensive rebounds, and FGA. More than double Hanover in TO 29-14 which lead to 29-8 disadvantage in points off turnovers, only 5 offensive rebounds to Hanover's 14, and that all lead to Hanover having 59 FGA to Rose's 36. Surprising the score was even as close as it was. Looks like Barlow was doing everything she could but didn't have enough help.
I'd like to see someone be willing to take charge on offense, too often Rose has extended stretches where they can't score because there's little movement, little help, and end up just forcing a long jumper at the end of the shot clock. It's like nobody wants the ball. I know Rose likes to play a slower tempo but there's a difference between slow and standstill. Be more aggressive. Make the defense work.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 07:41:05 pm
2nd round underway... Transylvania beats Manchester as expected 71-57 while Anderson knocks off Bluffton 62-60. Transylvania will host Anderson in the semifinals.

MSJ @ Franklin just getting underway while Hanover leads at Earlham 39-28 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 08:18:06 pm
Halftime at Spurlock and MSJ leads 26-21. Last time these two played MSJ led 33-12 after the first quarter... Franklin led 9-8 today.

Hanover wins 69-61 so they'll head to the MSJ-Franklin winner in the semifinals.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 03, 2021, 09:18:33 pm
57-54 MSJ holds on. Franklin had a contested 3 in the final seconds and an offensive rebound but couldn't score.


                                  1 Bluffton 60
8 Anderson 60                vs                                8 Anderson
vs                               8 Anderson 62
9 Defiance 41
                                                                          vs                             
                                  4 Manchester 57
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania
                                  5 Transylvania 71

                                                                                                                                         
                                  3 Franklin 54
                                  vs                                    6 Mount St Joseph
                                  6 Mount St Joseph 57
                                                                                vs                         
                                  2 Earlham 61
7 Hanover 56                 vs                                 7 Hanover
vs                               7 Hanover 69
10 Rose-Hulman 40
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 04, 2021, 02:14:43 pm
good game and team for you franklin.. will be interesting to see how mt st joe does next year have they lose there studs unless they come back for 5th year
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 04, 2021, 08:28:08 pm
Good call on the Anderson over Bluffton pick Grizz. I didn't think they could muster up enough offense to get the job done. Good job you and good job them.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 08, 2021, 04:13:48 am
Two good matchups in the semifinals. Now we get a rematch of last year's championship game.


                                  1 Bluffton 60
8 Anderson 60                vs                                8 Anderson 59
vs                               8 Anderson 62
9 Defiance 41
                                                                          vs                                        5 Transylvania
                                  4 Manchester 57
                                  vs                                     5 Transylvania 62
                                  5 Transylvania 71

                                                                                                                                         
                                  3 Franklin 54
                                  vs                                    6 Mount St Joseph 60
                                  6 Mount St Joseph 57
                                                                                vs                                  7 Hanover
                                  2 Earlham 61
7 Hanover 56                 vs                                 7 Hanover 66
vs                               7 Hanover 69
10 Rose-Hulman 40
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 10, 2021, 10:39:30 pm
For the 3rd straight season, Transylvania takes the HCAC title. They defeat Hanover 69-65.
Game was tied after the 3rd quarter, Hanover had the lead in the final minute but Transy scored the final 5 points to take it.

If only Franklin hadn't lost by 3 to MSJ then my bracket would have been perfect... double ouch.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Baldini on March 11, 2021, 12:00:21 am
Nicely done Grizz. In a year that was hard to follow, you had your finger on the pulse of the HCAC.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on March 22, 2021, 02:41:59 am
Well Franklin here is some early insight into next year.  Here is the list of graduates of course they may choose to come back for another year but it will be interesting to see if any do and how many. Over all its not a big  season for seniors with 2 schools having 0.  Here is th elist of graduating minutes and points and percentage of team scorin. Of course there is more then points wit th emost obvious being Transylvanis losing both 6'2 girls.

1. Rose   0

2. Manchester 0

3.Defiance 1    team avg  57   4  percentage loss

Pickens 8 pts 23 min

4.Anderson 1  team avg 55      4 percentage loss 

Hawkins 7pts     27 min

5.Franklin 2    team avg  63       6 percentage loss 

Yant 5 pts 23 min

Frejie 5 pts 19 min

6.Bluffton  team average 64   8 percentage loss

Hemminger  6 pts 20 min

Brock       4 pts 18 min

Perkins    3 pts 17 min

Misre     0 pts   5 min

Newhart  9 pts 30 min

7.Hanover 1    team avg 66     9 percentage loss 

Courtney 14 pt  29 min

8.Earlham  team average 51      10 percentage loss 

Bowling 15 pts 37 min

Stanley 2 pts   10 min

Tenette  2pts 35 min

9. Transylvania  team average 67    17 percentage loss 

walker 9 pts 28 min

jackson   7pts 22 min

hardiman  5 pts   20 min

otero       4 pts   14 min


The team losing th emost scoring percentage wise and probably the best player is

10.MSJ             team avg 66        23 percentage loss 

Haberthy  24 pts 37 min

Fair-Harris  4 pts 29 min

Huff          7 points 20 min




Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 01, 2021, 10:38:14 pm
I dont think i should say the school or the player but rose had a d1 point guard visit who wants to transfer from a western school as she is unhappy with their engineer program.  She played about 12 min a game.  Rumor has it she really enjoyed her visit to Rose and hopefully she comes. With her and if they can convince Nosa to come back they would be pretty dynamite. Congrats to Nosa as she concentrate don track this year with all the covid and totally destroyed people.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 21, 2021, 12:56:45 pm
All-Great Lakes teams (https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2020-21/great-lakes-women) announced. Two from the HCAC, and the only non-Jr/Sr named to either team.

Senior guard Maddie Haberthy from Mount St Joseph made 1st team
Sophomore guard Madison Kellione from Transylvania made 2nd team.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 28, 2021, 02:09:36 pm
Really good news for Rose and i believe now they will be able to fight for confrence titles.  the D-1 point guard is transferring and has paid her deposit. I dont want to say th ename to its released by the school but  a really big score for Rose
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 12:42:11 am
ok i thinkits safe to say who is transferring to Rose she is no longer listed on the University of Denver roster.  Rowan Hein who  played last year and also had a injury i believe is a 5'10 point guard who has some ppretty amazing accomplishments on the court.   Ypu can see by her assists this is a player who sees th ewhole floor and keeps turnovers to a minium which has been th emain problem for the team and all theie young players.  Rumor ha sit there may be anothe california player coming who is also of D-1 talent . Her eis some bio on Rowan I cant wait to see her play.


2020-21 (FRESHMAN)
Made college debut Nov 25 against Air ForceÖ played in 19 gamesÖ started in fourÖ grabbed a total of 24 rebounds, 1.3 per game averageÖ logged 11.9 minutes per gameÖ notched 1.8 points per game.

BEFORE DENVER
Named an Adidas All-American selection, two-time First-Team All-League, team MVP, First Team All-State, Player of the Game for the Valley Championship, and Best of the Best as a sophomore... tabbed the California State Sophomore of the Year in 2018... broke the school record for assists in a season as a junior... averaged 13.3 points per game, 7.1 rebounds per game, and 4.5 assists per game during her high school career... set a Clovis North single-game record with 11 assists.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 01:03:19 am
doing some research  i think Rowan was hurt her senior year in high school. The coach who signed and recruited her was let go before the season from what i can tell for insenseitivity. Man i know i didnt spell that correctly.  A new coach came in and looks like as the season went on im just goingoff playing time so this is me just guessing she started not being part of the plan  as you can see the drop off on starts and minutes so maybe she wasnt playing well or the new coaches scheme and her didnt match.  Total speculation  on  my part. I know the reason i heard she chose Rose  was because of dissapointment in the engineering program at denver.   I have been told its really hard for a athelte who wants to do engineering to play d-1  due to the work load they have as engineers and on most teams they will be the only one on the team and dont have help like they would at Rose where every student is dealing with the same workload and share alot odf the same courses.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: RogK on April 30, 2021, 07:31:27 pm
Jester1390, I see a partial (conference-only) '21-'22 schedule now up on the RHIT site :
https://athletics.rose-hulman.edu/sports/womens-basketball/schedule/2021-22
I think vaccinations are progressing nationally to the point that it seems reasonable to anticipate that regular fans should be let in to all games this fall.
If some goof near me is coughing or sneezing a lot, I'll probably put a mask on my face, regardless of what ailment it may be.
Incidentally, you need not apologize for spelling errors; we've grown to appreciate your cutting-edge creativity in that area. As long as you're not writing prescriptions to be taken to a pharmacy.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on April 30, 2021, 09:03:35 pm
in defense of myself lol most errors are because lack of typing skills and im to busy basking in my enlightened takes to go and correct them
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 07, 2021, 10:53:22 pm
I donít think there is a right answer but yesterday my 19 year old in great shape and already had Covid  got her vaccination shot. She did so per the ncaa requiring it to play.   Like I said I donít think there is a correct answer it has to be every person. Deciding whatís best for them . I myself got it even though I donít like to be shamed to it.  But It was a simple risk and reward for me

But my daughters comment to me was I really hope this doesnít hurt me having kids.  I assured her the risk is minimal but really we donít  know 100 percent and I find it a little infuriating that a sports association is demanding to put something in your body but basketball is a privilege  and not a right so she had to make a choice   I hope for her it was the right one
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Roundball999 on May 08, 2021, 06:19:34 am
I donít think there is a right answer but yesterday my 19 year old in great shape and already had Covid  got her vaccination shot. She did so per the ncaa requiring it to play.   Like I said I donít think there is a correct answer it has to be every person. Deciding whatís best for them . I myself got it even though I donít like to be shamed to it.  But It was a simple risk and reward for me

But my daughters comment to me was I really hope this doesnít hurt me having kids.  I assured her the risk is minimal but really we donít  know 100 percent and I find it a little infuriating that a sports association is demanding to put something in your body but basketball is a privilege  and not a right so she had to make a choice   I hope for her it was the right one

As you say, no easy answers with this.  Near me, more and more of the colleges are announcing that the vaccine will be required for students to return to campus in the Fall.  Of course many K-12 schools and colleges already require a bunch of vaccines for enrollment.  In the end, it may not matter if the NCAA requires it.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 10, 2021, 08:48:36 pm
Well l I canít give a name yet but Rose made a huge step towards contending for conference championship.  They have gotten a commitment  from their top recruit that I have heard has over 15 d-1 offers.  She is a point guard who can play 1 through 4.  Her along with the d-1 transfer is huge steps for the program. The major issue besides youth for this team has been turnovers not trying to knock the current guards which includes my kid.  Turnovers has been their number one issue with about 20 a game.    With these ball handlers it should take away the press from other teams and if they will get 20 to 30 more shots a game that team scoring going up.
Title: Re: HCAC
Post by: Jester1390 on May 11, 2021, 10:50:01 am
Ok a little backward info onmy last comment.  Rowen  had multiple D-1 offers. Not sure how many offers this d-1 prospect whose name i think i can share tommorrow but i know is a highly recruited california player.

Also another player a starter at a mid major the last 2 years  and has 3 years remaining maybe transfering as well as she is fed up and wants a ME degree and loves rose.  This just happened so nothing concrete yet.