Watched it again - looks like they called illegal touching not formation. They're saying the second receiver was lined up on the line, which made him ineligible. And he caught the pass.

Sure looked like he was off the line by a yard to me. It was close, though.

Is that really a loss of down penalty?

Illegal substitution was the call?

All I could find was there is a five yard variant and a fifteen yard variant (if egregious like sneaking someone on the field), but neither mentioned loss of down.

I need a ruling: technically my furnace isn't on. It's about 61 degrees in the house.

I did try to turn the furnace on, however, but it's not functioning.

Considering letting it ride through the weekend and then calling the HVAC company.

Quote from: faunch on August 08, 2025, 04:15:22 PM

Quote from: Robert Zimmerman on August 08, 2025, 03:05:08 PMA little something from Gary about the QB situation:

https://wjon.com/ixp/70/p/quarterback-competition-st-johns-football/

He also mentioned a receiver transfer, Carson Hegerle, from NDSU. A quick google search revealed that he redshirted in 2022 ago and played in about five games in 2023. It then looks like he "retired" in August of 2024 due to do injury and health issues. It seems he busted up his ankle in the spring of 2024. Hopefully is recovered and able to contribute.

Sounds like he was quite an athlete in high school. Ran a 10.65 100 at 6'3".

Quote from: hazzben on December 20, 2024, 11:32:39 AMJung is officially committed to Wisconsin. He also had visits lined up at Minnesota and Northwestern (older Bro's former coach at NDSU is at the latter). Hope he balls out and makes the leap. Twitter comments showing the ignorance of quality D3 talent that is out there.

On another note, ref in Sus game apologized to the Bethel AD after seeing the replay of the final play. FWIW

Safe money in these semifinal games feels like NCC vs. Mount. JHU D could make it interesting. I don't think Sus has enough on D to hang with NCC. And if you get after their QB, his accuracy takes a nose dive. Hoping we get some competitive games.

Apologized for calling a hold? Or for saying the game was over?

I guess it's time for soccer talk:

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2024/12/17/flintham-returns-to-collegeville-as-head-soccer-coach.aspx

https://www.startribune.com/bethel-has-winning-touchdown-wiped-out-by-penalty-in-24-21-loss-at-susquehanna-in-division-iii-quarterfinals/601195046

Star Tribune article says the hold was on an offensive lineman, not the RB, FYI.

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Quote from: Johns Knees on December 14, 2024, 03:45:52 PM

Quote from: sfury on December 14, 2024, 03:38:07 PMAsked my uncle, who's a football official. I pointed out the jersey tug. His take, take it as you will:

"I saw that in the video. To me that's not enough for a flag because it didn't really impede the D end."

Did you show him the false start? I'm still trying to figure that one out. Seemed clear the defense came across the line and then the lineman moved.

You obviously didn't see the St John's game last week. In college, if the DLine enters the neutral zone and the OL jumps, its a false start on the offense. Different rule in the NFL (would be a defensive penalty). 77 on Bethel should not have moved and if you snap the ball its a free play and offsides.

I did see it. It was explained then that the player directly opposite the defensive player needs to move.

In the SJU game, it was a guard on the other side of the line.

In this game it was the tackle responsible for blocking the defender.

Maybe I misunderstood the college rule.

My other thought was he reacted too late and the defender was no longer in the neutral zone.

Quote from: sfury on December 14, 2024, 03:38:07 PMAsked my uncle, who's a football official. I pointed out the jersey tug. His take, take it as you will:

"I saw that in the video. To me that's not enough for a flag because it didn't really impede the D end."

Did you show him the false start? I'm still trying to figure that one out. Seemed clear the defense came across the line and then the lineman moved.

Quote from: sfury on December 14, 2024, 03:38:07 PMAsked my uncle, who's a football official. I pointed out the jersey tug. His take, take it as you will:

"I saw that in the video. To me that's not enough for a flag because it didn't really impede the D end."

Yeah, that was my take. That's why I assumed they called it before that on the tackle.

I mean, the RB uniform tug looks bad when zoomed in and screenshot. But you could barely see it in real time because it was so quick.

Quote from: BiggieSmalls on December 14, 2024, 02:56:14 PMI believe the hold was on the RB who was helping with the RT. He grabbed jersey of DE. Probably didn't need to as that DE was not likely to make a tackle on QB by his release.

I thought they called it on the tackle before the RB engaged. But who knows.

And I thought the game could end on an offensive penalty. No?

Quote from: Ice Bear on December 14, 2024, 02:44:55 PMHow the ****, IMHO, do you call a ****ing hold at the LOS, on the last play of the game? Did I see that right?

Blew two calls that cost bethel the game.

I rewatched the false start. Not sure how that's on bethel.

The hold seemed questionable, too.

Quote from: SJU13 on December 09, 2024, 01:10:10 PMThere's no video replay outside of targeting, right? Seems like that would be a good upgrade for the playoffs. I imagine there are a lot of great plays that go the wrong way each year.

From what I gathered we had officials from the MWC and the NACC for our games. The field judge looked to have rolled an ankle resulting in the crew being down a ref for a bit against SUS. There felt like a lot of unnecessary jawing between teams in both games that probably could've warranted an unsportsmanlike or two. Maybe I'm soft or understand after a certain point we're likely gonna have enough and do something stupid (like push the QB down after he's thrown the ball). The lengthy explanation of the false start was interesting. Would've like to see video of the hit in the middle of the field that popped the SJU player. Definitely a danger throw, but hit also looked high. All equal in gamesmanship though with the ref getting after the audio crew for playing music after the offense got set on the line.

The false start penalty was the correct call. But that's a stupid rule in my opinion.

If the defense jumps offside and causes anyone on the offense to move, it should be a penalty on the defense.

Here's an image of it from the broadcast.