FB: American Southwest Conference

[Spirit_of_66]

Thanks for the reply. Sully looks scary. two wins in a row. I did not think that they could win one. That could be a tough outing. HPU and Sully go way back. They have the tendency to upend somebody now and then. Especially with the new coaching staff. Coach Wright seems to have his system in place. I should have given him more credit. He is a former DI coach.

Speaking of HPU, to me it is the best HSU rivalry out there. It means something. I know people say UMHB and HSU or McM and HSU, but those do not have the intensity of HSU-HPU. When McMurry wins a game against HSU, I will call it a rivalry. As far as the Crusaders, it is a rivalry, but not the same. Brownwood and Abilene are an hour apart and the campuses share students from each community. The Jackets and Cowboys have been going at it for close to 100 years (Minus the hiatus). HSU and HPU have been in conferences together since the 1920s. First the original TIAA, then the TCAC, before the Cowboys went the Border Conference and HPU went to the Lone Star. HPU joined the TIAA in 1988 and HSU followed soon after after it dropped from Division I. If that is not enough, Dr. Lanny Hall has served as president of both schools.

[Spirit_of_66]

What do you mean about environment? The thugs are gone?

[dballa]

Not saying that at all, although that is one reason why Redwine and his coaching staff was brought in.  They want to recruit players that will have a positive influence on the school and the community and not ones that will be getting arrested at parties. After all it is a Christian University first and foremost above any sport.  I enjoyed watching Coach Gibson and his football program but with the new coaching staff here you can just feel and see the excitement in the kids and in the coaching staff. 

HPU may not do a lot of damage in the conference this year but in the next few years they'll be back towards the top of the conference again.

As for the Sul Ross game I don't think it will be close.  They had too close of a game against a really bad SAGU team.  The game against MC, I think MC drove down to SRSU which when you play there,  anything can happen.  but it will be in Brownwood and it won't be close at all for Coach Redwine's first win.
 

[Ralph Turner]

dballa or spirit, how many game have HSU and HPU played?  HPU and SRSU? When did these series start?  What are the records in those series?  What about HPU and SRSU?

As for McMurry-Horrid Payne, yes, Hardened Sinners U is the crosstown rival, but I think that I hate to lose to Horrid Payne more than anyone.    McMurry has been with HPU in the Texas Collegiate AC, the Texas Conference, the Lone Star, the TIAA and now the ASC.

I am trying to determine which series can claim the oldest and which can claim the most frequently played.  I posted McMurry's series with AC, HPU and SRSU last week on this board.

[dsc]

RT, I don't have the answers to all your questions, but from this year's HSU Media Guide:

HSU and HPU go back to 1917.  (HSU leads the series: 29-24-4)

HSU and McM go back to 1946.  (HSU leads the series: 18-3)   


Go Cowboys!

[Spirit_of_66]

RT, I would not be surprised to find out that HPU and Sul Ross have the most played series. One of the oldest series overall has to be Austin College and Trinity, which began in 1904. Trinity leads 35-29-6.

As far as the oldest series in the league, I think it could be HSU-HPU. Though the HSU media guide says the series started in 1917, I believe the first HSU football team was in 1898 and played HPU soon after.

As far as most-played, it is hard when you look at the ASC, only Austin College, McMurry (if you can say that), Sul Ross, Howard Payne and Miss. College have had continuous programs with no lapses. MC is out, since they joined the league in 1997. AC played a Division I schedule for most of its early years. Though all three were in the LSC for a time, McM was kicked out first, then Sully and HPU left later. That means if there is going to be a rivalry of most played it would have to be either SRSU and HPU or SRSU and McM. My guess is McM. The old TIAA did a double round robin. It was a six-team league with 10 league games and no non-conference games from 1980-84. End result more games played.

[Bill McCabe]

TLU-UMHB was a great game between 2 very good teams.  TLU has improved over last year.  I was impressed by their lines, they were huge.  The big difference was team speed.  UMHB was much faster.  Even though TLU  tied the game in the 3rd, UMHB defense was awesome on the goalline.  I think they held them for 6 downs.  Salinas was everything I had heard.  All 3 of his TD passes came when he was scrambling.  When UMHB rushed 4, he wasn't able to run around as much.  This game should really help UMHB.

[Spirit_of_66]

And furthmore,

Everyone loves to hate the jackets. It is the only school in America where a kid gets like seven years of eligibility. (i.e. basketball player "Big" Ed Randall).

Howard Payne has been playing football since 1903.

[mcmfan]

Baddog asked about the new coaching staffs.  The prevalent description of Coach Crousen at McMurry is that he's "old school."  Presumably that means he runs practice like a boot camp.  The players feel good about winning the last two games, of course, especially since they avenge losses to those same teams the last time we played them.  But both Menlo and AC had losing seasons last year.  The game next week against TLU will be a key indicator of how good or bad we are, for TLU had a winning season last year and blew us out of the water on our own home field.  Go Tribe!

[cover2]

I think the poll question on the D3 home page is misleading...i would vote UMHB as the best team in Texas with or without Jordan Neal at HSU!!! 

Just thought that should be clarified. 

[Spirit_of_66]

From what I could find, these are the top 15 series in the ASC. If someone knows different, let me know.

1. McM-SRSU, McM leads 41-32-2 (75)
2. HPU-McM, HPU leads, 43-22-2 (69)
3. McM-AC, McM leads 33-28-2 (63)
4. *HPU-HSU, HSU leads 32-24-4 (60)
5. HPU-AC, HPU leads 41-9-3 (53)
6. HPU-SRSU, HPU leads 42-11-0 (53)
7. AC-SRSU, AC leads 22-18-2 (42)
8. HPU-TLU, HPU leads, 18-11-1 (40)
9. LC-MC, MC leads 23-6 (29)
10. HSU-AC, HSU leads 19-7-1 (27)
11. HSU-SRSU, HSU leads 23-2-0 (25)
12. AC-TLU, Series tied 11-11-0 (22)
13. HSU-McM, HSU leads 18-3 (21)
14. AC-MC, AC leads 9-9-1 (19)
15. MC-SRSU, MC leads 9-1-0 (10)

* -- HSU beings its records with the 1917 season, after football was reinstated on campus. The two teams met four times prior to that in 1907 and 1908, playing home and home. The Cowboys went 4-0 in those four contests.

[bcal]

McMurry will definately be steping up in competation aganist the bulldogs. TLU has got to be pleased with the effort of their team.  I don't think to many of us, myself included, thought they could compete with UMHB.  The bulldogs must think their next game is one they should win, and win going away.  Both these teams should look at this contest as one which will test their worth.  TLU has already shown their grit by hanging in there with a fine UMBH team.  McMurry is now 2 & O.  How long has it been since a Tribe team has been in this position.  Looks to me like this game this Saturday is one that shapes up to be one that means something to both teams. 

[Pat Coleman]

i would vote UMHB as the best team in Texas with or without Jordan Neal at HSU!!!

You're allowed to vote that way.

[Bill McCabe]

This is not a knock on the HSU backup QB, but every team that plays HSU is better off if Neal is out.  He is an outstanding QB.  I'm sorry that he was injured.

[Josh Bowerman]

Like I said yesterday, there isn't much talent dropoff between Neal and Bernhard, at least not from what I saw.  Neal is the team leader, though, so it will be an adjustment for the guys to see Jordy in the huddle.  If Jordan really gets behind Jordy in a public way with his teammates, it might have a surprisingly positive effect.

And don't forget that Bernhard passed for 270 yards and three TD's after Jordan's injury.  Not to mention completing roughly 70% of his passes off the bench.  Not a bad performance in my book.

My hope is that Jordan's injury isn't as serious as first thought--not because I question Jordy's ability, but rather he seems like a really good kid and this is his senior year--and I'd hate for his HSU career to end in this way. 

FWIW, I hope that you get well soon, Jordan.  I enjoyed visiting with you Saturday.