FB: American Southwest Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

[crufootball]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

[wally_wabash]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week. 

[crufootball]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

[Pat Coleman]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

[crufootball]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

I guess I am just missing something here. I am not denying that the 11/9 rankings are needed since they would help make the final rankings. My confusing is if UWP is ranked in the 11/9 rankings but then for any reason is not ranked in the final rankings (such as losing on 11/12), don't they cease to be a RRO since they would no longer be regionally ranked?

[jknezek]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

I guess I am just missing something here. I am not denying that the 11/9 rankings are needed since they would help make the final rankings. My confusing is if UWP is ranked in the 11/9 rankings but then for any reason is not ranked in the final rankings (such as losing on 11/12), don't they cease to be a RRO since they would no longer be regionally ranked?

No. If you are ranked in either of the last 2 rankings you count as an RRO. End of story.

[Cowboy2]

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The thing that stinks for HSU is they won't know where they stand till the very end. Since UWP is "ranked" in this first ranking, one could assume they could stay there till they lose which is not likely next week but is definitely possible in the last week of the season at UW La Crosse. So if UWP loses in the final weekend HSU will have to sit and wonder what that means for them until they do or don't see their name on selection Sunday.

As for Trinity and UMHB, as much as I would love a home game and think UMHB is the better team by the criteria Trinity sure seems to win out. Not only should they be undefeated at the end of the season, we will have multiple common opponents that Trinity beat by bigger margins. One thing that would be interesting for the trio of Texas teams is if Wheaton falls to Wash U this weekend and how that would affect the bracket since that would take away a key victory for Trinity.
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Two more weeks of whacky WIAC games could send all the RR into a frenzy...wonder what would happens if UWP drops and isn't in the RRs. Say UWW loses another game. I wonder how R6 would view that? I doubt they would get a Pool C at 7-3. Would they remain in the regional rankings? Then muhlenberg loses this week and remains out. Wheaton drops to Wash U and is left out. Wouldn't flip things. HSU would be 0-1, UMHB would be 1-0, and Trinity would be 0-0 unless BSC squeezed back in.

[Riley Zayas]

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[crufootball]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

I guess I am just missing something here. I am not denying that the 11/9 rankings are needed since they would help make the final rankings. My confusing is if UWP is ranked in the 11/9 rankings but then for any reason is not ranked in the final rankings (such as losing on 11/12), don't they cease to be a RRO since they would no longer be regionally ranked?

No. If you are ranked in either of the last 2 rankings you count as an RRO. End of story.

One more line and I will give up but that makes no sense.

We only get 3 rankings, one of which isn't really a ranking but I will admit that that I can see the logic in. So we really only have 2 rankings but even in that by the time we see the final ranking it doesn't matter too much because by that point we have all seen the bracket which is what we really care about. All the while we are not once ranked always ranked but we are ranked in 2 of the 3 and you are ranked.

[UMHB03]

Incredible to think that the defending National Champs and # 3 team in the nation (yes, I know the NCAA doesn't care about the d3 rankings) could potentially end up getting only one home game in the playoffs. I can understand why we might have to go on the road against Trinity if they advance to face UMHB in round 2, but I could just see the D3 committee trying to keep the "island" schools together and sending the Crusaders to Linfield in round 3. It would be a travesty, but par for the course with them.

[jknezek]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

I guess I am just missing something here. I am not denying that the 11/9 rankings are needed since they would help make the final rankings. My confusing is if UWP is ranked in the 11/9 rankings but then for any reason is not ranked in the final rankings (such as losing on 11/12), don't they cease to be a RRO since they would no longer be regionally ranked?

No. If you are ranked in either of the last 2 rankings you count as an RRO. End of story.

One more line and I will give up but that makes no sense.

We only get 3 rankings, one of which isn't really a ranking but I will admit that that I can see the logic in. So we really only have 2 rankings but even in that by the time we see the final ranking it doesn't matter too much because by that point we have all seen the bracket which is what we really care about. All the while we are not once ranked always ranked but we are ranked in 2 of the 3 and you are ranked.

I'm not saying it made sense. We used to do once ranked always ranked. Some sports do only the final ranking I believe. Football has so little crossover, and so few games, I think they tried to get more stuff on the resume to help them compare criteria. But whether it makes sense or not, that's how it is done.

[Toby Taff]

Sorry, yes, whatever date the final games are.

Haha I assumed but just got thrown by the dates being so close and the day before the games actually happen.

But I will confirm something, do the 11/9 rankings really matter in the end? I know they would be used to make the final rankings but I would assume the only ones that truly impact seeding and selection would be the final rankings.

The 11/9 rankings do matter in that the teams listed on 11/9 will all count as regionally ranked.  So if UWP beats Eau Claire, stays ranked on 11/9, they can lose by 100 to La Crosse in Week 11 and they'll still be a regionally ranked team that boosts HSU's profile- even if UWP isn't ranked in the final rankings. 

Now it isn't a given that UWP stays ranked next week, but I really don't know what changes next week that would exclude them.  The information that I thought UWP needed to be ranked (RRO results) aren't part of the 11/2 rankings.  UWP's SOS will go down a bit, but they'll be adding a pair of RRO wins- I can really only see UWP's ranking fortified when all of the data is used next week.

So if the 11/9 rankings are what are going to influence the Pool C selection why do we even have final rankings?

I can't take this question seriously. The only thing the 11/9 rankings do is provide a couple of extra teams that count as RRO.

I guess I am just missing something here. I am not denying that the 11/9 rankings are needed since they would help make the final rankings. My confusing is if UWP is ranked in the 11/9 rankings but then for any reason is not ranked in the final rankings (such as losing on 11/12), don't they cease to be a RRO since they would no longer be regionally ranked?

No. If you are ranked in either of the last 2 rankings you count as an RRO. End of story.

One more line and I will give up but that makes no sense.

We only get 3 rankings, one of which isn't really a ranking but I will admit that that I can see the logic in. So we really only have 2 rankings but even in that by the time we see the final ranking it doesn't matter too much because by that point we have all seen the bracket which is what we really care about. All the while we are not once ranked always ranked but we are ranked in 2 of the 3 and you are ranked.

I'm not saying it made sense. We used to do once ranked always ranked. Some sports do only the final ranking I believe. Football has so little crossover, and so few games, I think they tried to get more stuff on the resume to help them compare criteria. But whether it makes sense or not, that's how it is done.

I suppose if you think about it, with 3 RR you have the 1st week alphabetical list that is basically a "here's who we are watching" then 2 weeks that amount to once ranked always ranked

[tigerguy]

Incredible to think that the defending National Champs and # 3 team in the nation (yes, I know the NCAA doesn't care about the d3 rankings) could potentially end up getting only one home game in the playoffs. I can understand why we might have to go on the road against Trinity if they advance to face UMHB in round 2, but I could just see the D3 committee trying to keep the "island" schools together and sending the Crusaders to Linfield in round 3. It would be a travesty, but par for the course with them.

Man, it's like you're already assuming that the Cru will get to round 3...

[Ron Boerger]

If HPU loses this game they are going to look back and wonder WTF they were thinking trying to pass the ball from their 12 with less than a minute left in the half leading 13-7.