FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[emma17]

I'll just say this about everything -- I thought Jack Healy's 3rd Q TD should have counted.

They've got the tight end quick slant for a TD down pat. I count four (including the penalty) TD's against UWW and NCC. I didn't see the other game.

[wm4]

Noah Spielman's attorney speaking via video posted on the Chicago Tribune's website.  Of note, see how he walks back his initial use of the term "exonerated".  Also of note, he mentions the NCAA having done an investigation as well.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wheaton-college-hazing-follow-met-20170920-story.html

[jknezek]

Noah Spielman's attorney speaking via video posted on the Chicago Tribune's website.  Of note, see how he walks back his initial use of the term "exonerated".  Also of note, he mentions the NCAA having done an investigation as well.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wheaton-college-hazing-follow-met-20170920-story.html

The important thing about the NCAA, and individual colleges, as we've seen in many recent enforcement cases, is they lack subpoena power and the ability to force witnesses to testify. The DA will not lack that ability and there will be a penalty for being less than truthful during testimony or evasive. Of course, that goes for both sides...

Bit of a wait and see at this time. But one thing is clear to me, and that is one of these institutions, the DA or the college, is going to have more than a little egg on their face if this gets all the way to trial.

[USee]

All, First all my apologies for some of my posts yesterday and last night, particularly those directed at Smeds, I was out of line and too defensive. I have not read any posts (prior to this page) since last night as I put myself on a bit of a "timeout" as I found my ability to be rational and reasonable diminished.

I remain committed to my alma mater and the people there and trust the truth will come out and the light will shine.

For those I have offended I offer my apologies. This has been a great forum over the many years I have participated, both fun and educational. I hope it can return to that kind of spirit soon.

P.S. Q,  If he had caught it in the back of the endzone, it would have counted!

[robertgoulet]

I'll just say this about everything -- I thought Jack Healy's 3rd Q TD should have counted.

Except for the push off to gain separation, I agree 

[AndOne]

Noah Spielman's attorney speaking via video posted on the Chicago Tribune's website.  Of note, see how he walks back his initial use of the term "exonerated".  Also of note, he mentions the NCAA having done an investigation as well.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wheaton-college-hazing-follow-met-20170920-story.html

The important thing about the NCAA, and individual colleges, as we've seen in many recent enforcement cases, is they lack subpoena power and the ability to force witnesses to testify. The DA will not lack that ability and there will be a penalty for being less than truthful during testimony or evasive. Of course, that goes for both sides...

Bit of a wait and see at this time. But one thing is clear to me, and that is one of these institutions, the DA or the college, is going to have more than a little egg on their face if this gets all the way to trial.

Eventually, if found guilty, I don't foresee jail time. More likely probation and fines, and possible expulsion from school. Also, I believe an out of court settlement is entirely possible.

Judges in DuPage County historically love compromise settlements as it cuts down considerably on generally very crowded court dockets. If the parties can come to an amicable agreement the judge will almost certainly approve it. The plaintiff might accept something like an admission of guilt, some degree of payment/fines, and possible expulsion from school in exchange for no jail time. On the other hand, the players and their attorneys might opt to roll the dice and take their chances at a not guilty verdict. Also, it will be interesting to see if each defendant will be tried separately of if they will be tried en masse. Should things proceed to trial, the courtroom(s) will be packed. A third possibility is that the defendant(s) who were the least involved might be offered immunity in exchange for testifying against the others. We shall see.

[AndOne]

All, First all my apologies for some of my posts yesterday and last night, particularly those directed at Smeds, I was out of line and too defensive. I have not read any posts (prior to this page) since last night as I put myself on a bit of a "timeout" as I found my ability to be rational and reasonable diminished.

I remain committed to my alma mater and the people there and trust the truth will come out and the light will shine.

For those I have offended I offer my apologies. This has been a great forum over the many years I have participated, both fun and educational. I hope it can return to that kind of spirit soon.

P.S. Q,  If he had caught it in the back of the endzone, it would have counted!

USee,

Not sure if you need to apologize. It's not like you slandered or threatened anyone. I think everyone expects you to defend your school. Conversely, I hope you can see how it's pretty easy for many if not most posters to take a position that Wheaton should have suspended the players earlier, and that just because it's been 18 months since the incident does not necessarily mean the State has a weak case. I also don't think anyone has said the players are guilty, just that they might be and why they feel that's a fair possibility.

[Kovo]

Noah Spielman's attorney speaking via video posted on the Chicago Tribune's website.  Of note, see how he walks back his initial use of the term "exonerated".  Also of note, he mentions the NCAA having done an investigation as well.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wheaton-college-hazing-follow-met-20170920-story.html

The important thing about the NCAA, and individual colleges, as we've seen in many recent enforcement cases, is they lack subpoena power and the ability to force witnesses to testify. The DA will not lack that ability and there will be a penalty for being less than truthful during testimony or evasive. Of course, that goes for both sides...

Bit of a wait and see at this time. But one thing is clear to me, and that is one of these institutions, the DA or the college, is going to have more than a little egg on their face if this gets all the way to trial.

It will be more than egg on Mr. Berlin's face if this case falls apart.  You have an elected official (feeding from the public trough at the rate of 171K per year), who has decided to ignore whatever Wheaton College and the NCAA concluded and file serious felony charges against five (out of state) students completely derailing their lives and smearing them forever (some day their obituary will include this case).  While waiting 16 months after the incident (and after the election?) to file charges.  It may the strongest case in the history of the county and justified, but it just seems unusual.

Further, according to this Board, it was done with zero warning to the accused or school but yet the alleged victim's attorney had knowledge of the warrants and commented to the press who also had knowledge of the warrants---go figure.  Perhaps the facts will prove that all of this is justified, time will tell.  But, if I'm a Dupage County voter (which I am not), I want to know what in the heck is going on.  Has this public servant stepped to the microphone yet?  What is the budget for this?  Are the taxpayers spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute this case?  I don't expect to hear trial strategy, of course, but if Mr. Berlin has spoken, I missed it---so let me know.  He has brought this case on behalf of the people of Illinois, specifically DuPage county so the public has the right to accountability. Not a great shock but the press appears absent on this angle.

It seems to me that he has pushed his political chips "all in".  If the case turns out to be flimsy, I suspect that he will return to private practice after the next election.  Just some food for thought---not that we haven't had enough on this subject.

[Patrick Coleman]

I think we've all seen public officials in this line of work who like to be out in front of cameras on stuff. I think this DA's restraint is a positive.

[Kovo]

I think we've all seen public officials in this line of work who like to be out in front of cameras on stuff. I think this DA's restraint is a positive.

We will have to agree to disagree.  This is a big national story.  People who  know nothing of D3 football were talking about it in my office in Florida today.  The people who are paying the State Attorney should be kept informed----they are his clients.

[Patrick Coleman]

I think we've all seen public officials in this line of work who like to be out in front of cameras on stuff. I think this DA's restraint is a positive.

We will have to agree to disagree.  This is a big national story.  People who  know nothing of D3 football were talking about it in my office in Florida today.  The people who are paying the State Attorney should be kept informed----they are his clients.
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Then I would invite you to ask a question, but then again, you're not one of his clients, I'm guessing -- unless you're just visiting Florida.

[Kovo]

I think we've all seen public officials in this line of work who like to be out in front of cameras on stuff. I think this DA's restraint is a positive.

We will have to agree to disagree.  This is a big national story.  People who  know nothing of D3 football were talking about it in my office in Florida today.  The people who are paying the State Attorney should be kept informed----they are his clients.
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Then I would invite you to ask a question, but then again, you're not one of his clients, I'm guessing -- unless you're just visiting Florida.

No I have not been a DuPage County resident since the 80s.  And, this would be an excellent job for the press---but I don't have much faith in them.

[DBQ1965]

Past Crusader alums must be wondering what has happened to their alma mater.  As a 60s generation Crusader, I well remember the strictness of the "Pledge", the admonitions from "Prexy" in the daily Chapel, and the caveats against belonging to "secret societies."  I also remember a friend summarily dismissed from the school just before his senior year when wine bottles were found in his off-campus housing, how TCAC (Too Cool Athletic Club), an elitist, exclusive membership organization seemed to be given carte blanche on campus, how the "Brave Son". an independent student publication of articles and stories deemed unacceptable to the Kodon created unimagined demand on campus, and with a measure of transperancy, how I was dismissed because I had fallen behind academically to the degree I would not be able to graduate in the requisite 8 academic quarters.  Still, my dismissal started me on a whole new spiritual path, a fulfilling career in ministry, and an appreciation for the ambiguities of life.  Not all is black-and-white ... either-or.  All the current hubbub points to what is actually unknown, what will be revealed, how justice will prevail, and that personal opinion doesn't carry the weight of fact.  It is what it is.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'll just say this about everything -- I thought Jack Healy's 3rd Q TD should have counted.

How dare you talk football at a time like this, Q! I am shocked, and saddened, you would stoop at such a level... lowering yourself to mere mortals. And I thought I knew you. /sarcasm

Always love your timing, sir.

[shepherd]

If Christians especially Wheaton students are planning on protesteing, let me state that this is sin even if you are perfectly right biblically or not.
1.  Their is a comand of subjection in the Church and body of Christ.
Rom13;  1Tim3; eph4; Titus1:6-9; 1Cor12;
2.It is for God to create the body of Christ  using the holy spirit and the Word of God (Doctrine agreement) and not a work of man.
3. You will stir up the Body of Christ creating division and waves.
4.  You are comanded to go to your apropriate headship ie leader and biblically discuss, pray about the problems.
5.  If you are not satisfied you are to leave the Church christian organization peacfully.
If you do stir up divisions and strife going against God apointed leadership ie president of school or christian group leader you not only persecute the body of Christ you persecute
Christ himself.  This is so scary and puts the fear of God in me.
WHEN YOU PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS YOU PERSECUTE CHRIST HIMSELF.
Saul who killed Christians and Jesus tells him he is not persecuting the Church or Christians but persecuting Christ himself as if they are the ones whipping him while he is carrying his cross.


Acts 9
4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"
5 And he said, "Who are You, Lord?"
Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the goads."

In the Parable of the sheep and Goats Jesus says when you did or did not do these things to Christians or the true Church only (Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.) 

MY BRETHREN ARE or = Christians only.  Christians bear Jesus message as
Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6 ) and very Word of God (John 1: 1-5)
and are given the Holy Spirit not of themselves but of God the creator himself.


Matthew 25:31-46 The Parable of the Sheep and Goats
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.