FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Patrick Coleman]

Tiffin isn't a step up from every Division III program but it is a step up from Carthage.

[formerd3db]

Tiffin isn't a step up from every Division III program but it is a step up from Carthage.

Pat, can you shed some additional information on this move?  I checked the Tiffin football website last evening as well as this morning and there is no announcement/mention of this coaching move? Perhaps they just haven't announced it yet. Just curious.  Thanks.

[USee]

Tiffin isn't a step up from every Division III program but it is a step up from Carthage.

I am quite aware of the mentioned benefits. As Pat mentions here, I just don't understand the move professionally. It's a step up from Carthage but if Yeager takes another step at Carthage and wins a title/gets to the playoffs, then the world is his oyster. It seems to me Carthage is a year or two away from getting there and then some much better options are in play. There is obviously more to this than we are seeing/hearing.

[SaintsFAN]

Tiffin isn't a step up from every Division III program but it is a step up from Carthage.

Pat, can you shed some additional information on this move?  I checked the Tiffin football website last evening as well as this morning and there is no announcement/mention of this coaching move? Perhaps they just haven't announced it yet. Just curious.  Thanks.

On football scoop they said Mike Yeager was hired for the vacant DC position at Tiffin, which opened when Matt Edwards joined the Tennessee Titans as a special teams assistant. 

[Patrick Coleman]

Oh -- I did not get that he was taking a coordinator position. I hadn't seen the official news either and thought he was the head coach at Tiffin.

Then I would agree with USee that this might be more of a lateral move. However, I don't agree with USee that getting a CCIW title for Carthage would immediately open D-II head coaching doors.

[Gregory Sager]

I hadn't seen that, either. The Carthage presser didn't specify exactly which Tiffin position Yeager had taken.

I'm with Pat, too. This isn't really a step forward as much as it is a lateral career move for Yeager.

[USee]

Oh -- I did not get that he was taking a coordinator position. I hadn't seen the official news either and thought he was the head coach at Tiffin.

Then I would agree with USee that this might be more of a lateral move. However, I don't agree with USee that getting a CCIW title for Carthage would immediately open D-II head coaching doors.

Yea, this just took a turn for the weird. I definitely don't understand leaving Carthage as HC to be a DC at Tiffin.

And to be clear, I didn't say winning a CCIW title at Carthage would open D2 HC doors. I was saying his path at Carthage, if he continued their rise and became prominent in D3, seems like a clearer path to move up the ladder than to move to Tiffin.

Regarding Joe Davis, he left Wheaton and has since bounced around and is now a position coach at Fordham I believe.

[SaintsFAN]

Oh -- I did not get that he was taking a coordinator position. I hadn't seen the official news either and thought he was the head coach at Tiffin.

Then I would agree with USee that this might be more of a lateral move. However, I don't agree with USee that getting a CCIW title for Carthage would immediately open D-II head coaching doors.

Tiffin has both a HC and an assistant HC who both have been with the school for the last 7 years.  The last two years represent an upswing in wins so who knows what all this means?

[izzy stradlin]

Oh -- I did not get that he was taking a coordinator position. I hadn't seen the official news either and thought he was the head coach at Tiffin.

Then I would agree with USee that this might be more of a lateral move. However, I don't agree with USee that getting a CCIW title for Carthage would immediately open D-II head coaching doors.

Yea, this just took a turn for the weird. I definitely don't understand leaving Carthage as HC to be a DC at Tiffin.

And to be clear, I didn't say winning a CCIW title at Carthage would open D2 HC doors. I was saying his path at Carthage, if he continued their rise and became prominent in D3, seems like a clearer path to move up the ladder than to move to Tiffin.

Regarding Joe Davis, he left Wheaton and has since bounced around and is now a position coach at Fordham I believe.

Yeah I was under the impression the move was from Carthage HC to Tiffin HC.

Joe was dong well as OC Northern Iowa and had them in the quaterfinals of the FCS with a top offense immediately before he left for non football reasons. 

[Gregory Sager]

Joe Davis was the subject of what is still one of my favorite off-the-field CCIW football stories.

Players generally understand when an assistant coach leaves to go to another school, because they know that frequent changes of address are the nature of the occupation in college coaching. But certain changes are much more difficult to understand, and when Joe Davis left his position as North Park's OC to take the same job at Wheaton, this was naturally regarded both by the Vikings and by the NPU community at large as making Davis the campus equivalent of Benedict Arnold.

Two weeks later a number of NPU football players were at a Cubs game, and they spotted Joe Davis one section over in the Wrigley grandstands ... and he was drinking a beer. A whole bunch of phones immediately came out and started taking pictures of the imbibing Davis, and according to several players they took great delight in sending the pics to the Wheaton AD.

Davis, incidentally, left Fordham and is now the QB coach at Albany.

[Gregory Sager]

http://www.ualbanysports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=70366&SPID=8009&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211694930&DB_OEM_ID=15800

[izzy stradlin]

http://www.ualbanysports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=70366&SPID=8009&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211694930&DB_OEM_ID=15800

Another job change-- I think he is establishing a pattern here and not a good one.

[Gregory Sager]

Yes, his job changes are coming more quickly than is the norm.

[USee]

perhaps some of those photos are still lurking?

[formerd3db]

Yes, his job changes are coming more quickly than is the norm.

http://www.ualbanysports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=70366&SPID=8009&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211694930&DB_OEM_ID=15800

Another job change-- I think he is establishing a pattern here and not a good one.

Thanks for the update guys (and the interesting "inside" Wrigley story Gregory ).  From reviewing the Fordham football website, it appears Davis got caught in the coaching change when the new HC came from Yale and brought in some of his buddies.

Regardless, as you all have mentioned, unfortunately, for a good number of assistant coaches, their careers are "nomadic" with many changes.  That can be "okay" for some of them if they are single, yet obviously more difficult for those who are married.  Another example (one of many) is Dan Enos.  Look at his resume-he has hardly stayed in one place for an extended time (other than his HC stint at Central and Arkansas). 

BTW, Albany has made quite the stride in the past couple of decades going from DII to an FCS program (and a new 7500 seat huge very nice stadium).

(Edit was for spelling correction )