FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

Maybe we didn't submit his name, but I'm pretty surprised Rundell didn't make MIAC Offensive POTW or D3 TOTW with 11 rec, 246 yds, 2 TD's plus the BU single game record. Not sure why JHU WR got the nod in a similar type blowout with (still great) but lesser stats in a non-record breaking preformance. 

After evaluating my process for the D3football.com Team of the Week, I've tried very hard this year (and last year) to prioritize a little bit around the quality of the opponent as well. So, if you see that someone gets on our Team of the Week in a game against Macalester or the Macalester or Hamline equivalent of another conference, you have to assume that that performance stood out so far among the rest of the nominees that I had no choice.

Everyone's school record is different, and a school record doesn't generally weigh into my process. I will include the note about a school record in the blurb for a player if the info is provided, but it isn't something that helps me decide who to choose.

I think that's fair Pat, and assumed it had something to do with quality of competition. But thats pretty subjective, given the regionalized nature of D3. And the fact Nichols is ranked 213 to St. Olaf's 133 by Logan (or #199 for Hamline and #177 for Mac to use the examples above). I'd have given Quinn and the Curry Oline TOTW honors too. All division records are crazy. It's an insane stat, even if it came against a really bad d3 opponent ranked by Logan in the bottom 10% of D3. But Rundell's 246 against a significantly better and basically average (according to Logan) d3 team seems to pass mustard too.

And it would also make D3 TOTW honors similar to All Conference in a league where they have 3 1st team QB's when it comes to scoring All Region right? Aka, you shouldn't be looking at D3 TOTW as a very useful data point in deciding who makes All Region right?

Basically I'm poking the bear a bit with this post. I think the JHU WR especially is deserving as well. But it's almost like you're saying there are really only 2 or 3 games a year when Bethel or SJU really have a shot to land a kid on this team. Unless they play titans like Millikin (LH #143), La Verne (LH #157), MN Morris (LH #196), Widener (LH #157), Salve Regina (LH #102), Thiel (LH #189), North Park (LH #148), Alfred State (LH #142), WPI (LH #171), Pacific (LH #140), or Lyon (LH #218). Aka, the list of opponents on this weeks D3 TOTW that are similar or worse than St. Olaf (LH #133), or similar or worse than Hamline (LH #199) and Mac (LH #177). 

Again Rundell had 11 rec for 246 and 2 TD's in 3 quarters of play. Better by positional anomally than all but Quinn for Curry. And against better or similar competition than the majority of players you deemed had played good enough comp, with less noteworthy stats.     

[Pat Coleman]

Mm hmm -- tell me ... in those games against the teams you mention ... were those teams' opponents in the top five?

And to be even more explanatory -- I don't usually use that filter on special teams picks.

[Pat Coleman]

To make sure we focus on your initial question, rather than all this goalpost-moving you're engaged in, we are talking about.

9-228-2 vs. Hansen No. 47 out of 231
11-246-2 vs. Hansen No. 142 out of 231

You don't know who else what under consideration at all those other positions, so we'll leave those alone. These numbers above are your actual question.

[hazzben]

To make sure we focus on your initial question, rather than all this goalpost-moving you're engaged in, we are talking about.

9-228-2 vs. Hansen No. 47 out of 231
11-246-2 vs. Hansen No. 142 out of 231

You don't know who else what under consideration at all those other positions, so we'll leave those alone. These numbers above are your actual question.

There's no goal post moving, exept for your own inconsistency of what constitutes good/bad comp. So to clarify, if an average team plays an average or bad team, they qualify. But for a player from a good team to qualify, they must play a "good" team (still uncertain how Pat defines that).

And to be clear, I acknowledged JHU numbers stacked up. I specifically called out he should have made the team.    But I'll play along ... (resume rankings was the original goal post btw, don't move it )
9-228-2 vs. Hansen No. 64 out of 231 - 3 Quarters
11-246-2 vs. Hansen No. 133 out of 231 - 3 Quarters
12-120-3 vs. Hansen No. 29 out of 231 - 4 Quarters

1 is a great performance, 1 was elite and almost record breaking, 1 was elite and did break a record.

Mm hmm -- tell me ... in those games against the teams you mention ... were those teams' opponents in the top five?

You said you sarted considering level of competition, and specifically brought up Hamline and Mac as examples of teams you'd have to have some kind of other worldly numbers against to justify inclusion (evidently 246 for a team record doesn't clear that bar, even against teams better than Mac/Hamline).

The reality is you have multiple sets of standards. Average/bad teams against average/bad comp have a lower bar to clear. If you play for a top 5 team, even breaking an already impressive team record (231 rec yds) over 3 quarters doesn't really qualify unless the competition is what, Top 40, 25, 10??

The real cherry is that YOU brought up Mac and Hamline as examples that would require epic performances. Only to have it pointed out that a third of your selections were against comp that bad or worse, and another half was against comp almost identical to who Bethel played.

But let's just settle it here and play copy editor. You're not trying to "prioritize a little bit around the quality of the opponent." You're trying to prioritize the delta of competition between teams. So the more average or bad your team, the greater likelihood you have of making D3 TOTW, because 89% of the teams in D3 (e.g. outside the Top 25) will provide a qualifying opponent to make the team. Unless you break a national record, then I'd assume a Top 5 team would qualify regardless of opponent, as we know an average team against a terrible team does.

D3 TOTW is really a very useless metric in selecting All Region teams. It skews towards awarding players from average and bad teams more often than players from good teams, because of competition delta.    I'll stop giving you crap now Pat, I know you take this a little personally. 

[hazzben]

And to reiterate, half the fun of arguing the above (which I believe is accurate), is just to get under your skin a little bit. There's no ill will, but heavy is the head that wears the crown!

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- it's to the level of your competition. Those standards are different for a top 5 or top 10 team than they are for a top 150 team than they are for a top 200 team.

Tyren Montgomery, with three TDs, and the game-winner in the twilight with 14.4 seconds left, is making the team. The only decision was the second spot.

I don't mind the questions and am glad to answer. At least we are talking about someone who was actually nominated and therefore, able to be considered. Ask anyone who's worked in a conference office or done a job like this one -- this is a difficult thing to do and someone will always be unhappy.

And yes, sure, "the delta of competition between teams." I'm trying to avoid having all of the Team of the Week performances be someone on a top quartile team beating up on someone they should be beating up on.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up the team record bit, though. There are 241 teams and 241 team records -- Bethel's record is different from Mount Union's which is different from Catholic's which is different from Springfield's which is different from New England College's. That's not a factor.

And lastly, I never said I use Team of the Week to inform All-Region selections. That's your inference and your insinuation, but doing it a second time doesn't make it accurate.

[hazzben]

I'll stop giving you crap Pat. The "team record" bit was just a reference to the write up for JHU saying it was good for 4th place in their record books or something like that. Made it seem like a game winning catch or breaking a record was some part of criteria or tie breaker.

And I get that you have to spread the love. Heck, NCU is so bad (or good??), they haven't managed to get a single guy named to the CCIW TOTW all year. So it's not like you're alone in this. 

[art76]

Finally, we have the results from the Space Grant Midwest High-Power Rocketry Competition. For a fourth year in a row, Bethel University takes home first place overall, with a flight day performance score of 92.5 out of 100. There were 12 other teams in the competition, which I will list so you have some idea of what we were up against this year:

1. Austin Peay State University (TN)
2. Macalester College
3. North Dakota State University
4. Pellissippi State Community College (TN)
5. University of St. Thomas
6. University of Wisconsin Whitewater
7. University of Iowa
8. Inver Hills Community College
9. Military Technical College (MTC) (Cairo, Egypt)
10. U of MN Twin Cities - MnSGC Rocket Team
11. U of MN Twin Cities - AEM 1305 Team
12. U of MN Twin Cities - NSBE Team

Thanx for all your support everyone!

[hazzben]

Honestly Art, you might be running the most impressive program in the MIAC    Well done as usual!

[OzJohnnie]

Finally, we have the results from the Space Grant Midwest High-Power Rocketry Competition. For a fourth year in a row, Bethel University takes home first place overall, with a flight day performance score of 92.5 out of 100. There were 12 other teams in the competition, which I will list so you have some idea of what we were up against this year:

1. Austin Peay State University (TN)
2. Macalester College
3. North Dakota State University
4. Pellissippi State Community College (TN)
5. University of St. Thomas
6. University of Wisconsin Whitewater
7. University of Iowa
8. Inver Hills Community College
9. Military Technical College (MTC) (Cairo, Egypt)
10. U of MN Twin Cities - MnSGC Rocket Team
11. U of MN Twin Cities - AEM 1305 Team
12. U of MN Twin Cities - NSBE Team

Thanx for all your support everyone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtVBCG6ThDk

[Mister36]

Finally, we have the results from the Space Grant Midwest High-Power Rocketry Competition. For a fourth year in a row, Bethel University takes home first place overall, with a flight day performance score of 92.5 out of 100. There were 12 other teams in the competition, which I will list so you have some idea of what we were up against this year:

1. Austin Peay State University (TN)
2. Macalester College
3. North Dakota State University
4. Pellissippi State Community College (TN)
5. University of St. Thomas
6. University of Wisconsin Whitewater
7. University of Iowa
8. Inver Hills Community College
9. Military Technical College (MTC) (Cairo, Egypt)
10. U of MN Twin Cities - MnSGC Rocket Team
11. U of MN Twin Cities - AEM 1305 Team
12. U of MN Twin Cities - NSBE Team

Thanx for all your support everyone!

Go Royals!

My wife's cousin is in the aerospace program at UofM, but he must not be on those teams since he was up at the cabin with us this last weekend.

Also, one of these teams is not like the other..

[OzJohnnie]

Also, one of these teams is not like the other..

Don't be too hard on the Tommies.  They cannot help their nature.

[sjusection105]

Finally, we have the results from the Space Grant Midwest High-Power Rocketry Competition. For a fourth year in a row, Bethel University takes home first place overall, with a flight day performance score of 92.5 out of 100. There were 12 other teams in the competition, which I will list so you have some idea of what we were up against this year:

1. Austin Peay State University (TN)
2. Macalester College
3. North Dakota State University
4. Pellissippi State Community College (TN)
5. University of St. Thomas
6. University of Wisconsin Whitewater
7. University of Iowa
8. Inver Hills Community College
9. Military Technical College (MTC) (Cairo, Egypt)
10. U of MN Twin Cities - MnSGC Rocket Team
11. U of MN Twin Cities - AEM 1305 Team
12. U of MN Twin Cities - NSBE Team

Thanx for all your support everyone!

Tommies Suck 

[art76]

Go Royals!

My wife's cousin is in the aerospace program at UofM, but he must not be on those teams since he was up at the cabin with us this last weekend.

Also, one of these teams is not like the other..

So you, and others know, BU completed its flights last May on the scheduled competition date. Because of low cloud cover, some teams were allowed to do their final flight on their "home field" and then submit their results. They were given until the end of September to complete this task. Normally we get results of the contest mid-June.

[SagatagSam]

Who's still master of his/her domain?  This could be a record-setting year!

I'm out. It was 29 degrees in Sioux Falls this morning. Always a pleasure getting the participation trophy. I suspect Duff will continue his reign.