MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Personal Fouls

Hope     365
Olivet     326
Alma      323
Kzoo      316
Albion    312
Trine     297
Adrian    292
Calvin    230

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My halfway write-up
http://scottsbbblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/halfway-grades-and-stuff.html

[John Gleich]

My halfway write-up
http://scottsbbblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/halfway-grades-and-stuff.html

How did you differentiate between rebounds during "action" and off of free throws?

If you take the ratio of free throws to missed shots (i.e. attempts minus makes), this will inevitably include missed rebounds.

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My halfway write-up
http://scottsbbblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/halfway-grades-and-stuff.html

How did you differentiate between rebounds during "action" and off of free throws?

If you take the ratio of free throws to missed shots (i.e. attempts minus makes), this will inevitably include missed rebounds.

Dividing offensive rebounds by missed FG attempts.  The correct way to reach rebounding % is divide offense rebound by (off rebs + opp def rebounds)....but that data includes rebounds off FT misses.

[John Gleich]

My halfway write-up
http://scottsbbblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/halfway-grades-and-stuff.html

How did you differentiate between rebounds during "action" and off of free throws?

If you take the ratio of free throws to missed shots (i.e. attempts minus makes), this will inevitably include missed rebounds.

Dividing offensive rebounds by missed FG attempts.  The correct way to reach rebounding % is divide offense rebound by (off rebs + opp def rebounds)....but that includes FT misses.

So the assumption is no offensive rebounds off of missed free throws?

[sac]

My halfway write-up
http://scottsbbblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/halfway-grades-and-stuff.html

How did you differentiate between rebounds during "action" and off of free throws?

If you take the ratio of free throws to missed shots (i.e. attempts minus makes), this will inevitably include missed rebounds.

Dividing offensive rebounds by missed FG attempts.  The correct way to reach rebounding % is divide offense rebound by (off rebs + opp def rebounds)....but that includes FT misses.

So the assumption is no offensive rebounds off of missed free throws?

Primarily I think its just a lot harder to get an offensive board off a missed ft, especially now with the lane being 4 defenders + 2 offensive players and the ft shooter.  I don't have data but I bet a larger share of these go to the defensive team than vs normal play.


Let's take Hope and Calvin for example:

Using the correct way Hope rebounds its offensive board at a rate of 35.6%
Using game action: Hope rebounds at 39.8%

Using the correct way Calvin rebounds its offensive board at a rate of 39.8%
Using game action:  Calvin rebounds at 41.9%

Notice Calvin only went up 2%, Hope up 4%.  The reason is Hope has shot almost 170 more FT's on the season, which leads to more misses, more rebounding and that rebounding is tilted in the defense's favor by the 4 vs 2 setup at the line.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Personal Fouls

Hope     365
Olivet     326
Alma      323
Kzoo      316
Albion    312
Trine     297
Adrian    292
Calvin    230

Besides having the MIAA's lowest propensity for violating foul rules, it is also notable that the Knights' free throw percentage defense is also best in the MIAA.   

Sac, while your post does debunk scottiedawg's theory that Albion plays "thugball" and exposes the true kings of fouling for who they are, we do need to take these numbers with a grain of salt.  As has been asserted recently on this board, I'm sure that the Dutchmen's bloated personal foul numbers are at least partly due to the refs' anti-bigness bias against NVA. 

[wwjjdd]

When looking at the box/stats for Hope games, I have noticed a category called: "DEADB REBS."  Does this refer to rebounds after missed free-throws?  If that is not it, could someone explain what this refers too??
thanks

[Pat Coleman]

Yes -- a deadball rebound is the rebound of a missed free throw, either the first shot on a two-shot foul or the first two shots on a three-shot foul. Also, when a player airballs the last free throw in a series and the ball turns over, that is also a deadball rebound.

A deadball rebound is basically a bookkeeping statistic. Doesn't measure a team's rebounding prowess at all. Generally not included when people are calculating rebound margin, but required for making sure a box score balances. (Every missed shot must have a rebound.)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yes -- a deadball rebound is the rebound of a missed free throw, either the first shot on a two-shot foul or the first two shots on a three-shot foul. Also, when a player airballs the last free throw in a series and the ball turns over, that is also a deadball rebound.

A deadball rebound is basically a bookkeeping statistic. Doesn't measure a team's rebounding prowess at all. Generally not included when people are calculating rebound margin, but required for making sure a box score balances. (Every missed shot must have a rebound.)

Pat, are the deadball rebounds the 'rebounds-team' category, or is that something else?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Rebounds-team tend to be on shots that go out of bounds without possession or a rebound being recorded... thus whoever is rewarded the ball gets the rebound - team.

[Pat Coleman]

What Dave said is correct. Missed shot that goes out of bounds, offensive or defensive team rebound based on which team knocked it out.

[Mr. Ypsi]

What Dave said is correct. Missed shot that goes out of bounds, offensive or defensive team rebound based on which team knocked it out.

I'm assuming that would also include misses that were air-balled or bounced over the backboard that neither team 'knocked out'?

[sac]

What Dave said is correct. Missed shot that goes out of bounds, offensive or defensive team rebound based on which team knocked it out.

I'm assuming that would also include misses that were air-balled or bounced over the backboard that neither team 'knocked out'?

Remember that all missed shots must have a rebound, so any missed shot that doesn't end with a player possessing the ball within the court of play is recorded as a dead-ball or team rebound.

Its accounting really.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Gotcha.  Despite a whole career teaching statistics and methods of social research (and sometimes moonlighting with algebra), I would have been a fish out of water as an accountant.  I'm sure I would have adapted (and probably eventually have even adjusted my worldview), but the concept of 'balancing the ledgers' does not come easy to me.  In the universe my mind occupies, sometimes there IS no rebound!   (Nobody catches the ball in play = no rebound.)